Discussion in 'College Tennis Talk' started by BillyP, Apr 1, 2017.
I see a lot of people saying Bresky. Personally I don't see that happening. Why would Bresky leave the program he has just built into a national power? He has made Wake Forest into a challenging level with Virginia and you could argue that Boland was the obstacle holding Wake back until now. Bresky probably thinks of himself as a better coach than whoever is to replace Boland at Virginia so he could see this as his opportunity to make Wake Forest the dominant force in the ACC, replacing Virginia.
Does Coaches really matter in College tennis ? and does these really know what they are doing ? and I always felt like these college coaches are like baby sitters just to keep top players happy and spoiled...
As a Wake fan I am very biased, but I agree with this post. I would think Bresky would be more interested in building his own legacy, rather than continuing that of someone else. Wake has a great set up - ACC, very nice combined indoor/outdoor facility, and an ATP 250 event on campus. Obviously he has already proven he can get Wake to a very high level, and I think he can win championships at Wake.
This is at the heart of many problems........ there really isn't much coaching anymore, rather just recruiting then managing the talent.
Sounds like my tennis league.
College coaches are simply riding high on other persons sweat equity, mostly from the parents who have been flipping the bill from early childhood.
This is the new reality that has been brought to us via USRTA (R for recreation as that is what they really are), ITA, ATP, NCAA, etc.
College coaches (not all but most) have said this over and over again in countless interview, that they want someone ready to go right out the door (thus no development).
Which begs the question... do they know what they are doing..... yes riding USA collegiate tennis so deep into the ground that it never recovers, and is thus eliminated from college sports so the NCAA can concentrate on the only thing it wants to discuss.... football and basketball.
This could be a thread on its own.
Heard through the grapevine that Chase Hodges may get serious consideration from UVA...guy has had a very successful career.
Recruiting is certainly more important in tennis than many other NCAA sports. Players come in with their style of play and level already determined for the most part. In team sports like football, basketball and soccer a coach can make a huge difference with style of play, team chemistry, strategy etc. Those factors can overcome talent gaps if the coach is good enough. In tennis it is much harder for a college coach to overcome talent gaps with those things, in fact it's borderline impossible.
Recruiting is key, yet it is happening earlier especially for US players-even for the Ivys that usually wait to announce recruits-two blue chip 2018 players committed to Harvard last month. Coaches can find international players during the summer to start in January so that is only 6-7 months out, but coaches going after the blue chip US players are offering spots to players up to 18 months before fall play. Coaches miss out on late bloomers; there are almost blue chips that fall to barely 5 stars after committing early, and high 4 stars that rise to almost blue chip level between spring of junior and senior year; there are some Florida juniors that have gotten really good just playing Qualis of Fl Futures; yet they are playing mid majors
Chase Hodges would be an interesting pic for VA. UVA attracts the best US and international recruits-though mostly US- while GGC's best US recruits are guys ineligible to play D1-tried the pros, didnt work out, and they were no longer eligible for D1, e.g Jordan Cox jr Wimbleton finalist a few years ago; NAIA has different pro/amateur rules. Chase has gotten top international recruits-guys whose ATP ranking were below 500 at some point. Chase is a great recruiter, not so interested in development. Here is an interview Chase did this year http://www.tennisworldusa.org/news/...-possible-fit-athletically-and-academically-/ In the interview, Chase say he would prefer to leave development to assistant coach. Here are some excerpts " I think a lot of schools and coaches are looking for players who can be good two or three years down the road. I’m looking for contributors as freshman, players who can come in and be ready to go." and "My assistant, Courtney Rutherford, and I balance each other well... I pretty much handle the majority of the recruiting. Courtney loves being on court – he’d love to be on court 50-60 hours a week! – so he handles that aspect. That really helps our athletes continue to develop and get better. He has a passion for the game and is enthusiastic and energetic about making the players better. His strength is developing players. My strength is recruiting. When you combine both our strengths, we make a pretty good team."
If the key to being a head coach is being a good recruiter, will the assistant coaches who are great developers be stuck at the asst level since they spent their time on development and not recruiting? I think US parent would want their kids to play for a coach who could do both; international players probably are interested in the coaches who will let them play Futures in the fall. Since the $15K Futures are going away in 2019 and the $25K are being reduced, recruiting will have to be reinvented again over the next 21 months.
Very good points there. I think Hodges coaches 2 teams (men and women) so an assistant is vital to help with development when you coach 2 teams. Agree in that Hodges is an outstanding recruiter. He has had plenty of D1 high level head coaching experience as well. Any other potential guys being mentioned? Will be fun to see.
When UVA hired Boland, he had the reputation as a great recruiter as well. Maybe, they see a similarity with Hodges. On the other hand, Hodges could be happy dominating the NAIA and winning national championships consistently. He seems to have a good thing going there in Georgia.
Hodges certainly has done very well no doubt. But the rule differences between NAIA and D1 it is almost night and day. I think I heard somewhere that only one player at GG would be eligible at the D1 level, let alone have the academic background to get into a University like U VA. D1 has the five years to fulfill 4 years of eligibility - hence the oldest players you are likely to see is in the 20-21maybe 22 years old. GGU has 3-4 players who are over the age of 25.
Just went on the GGU website. The men's team has won 51 matches in a row...wow! Guess it makes sense for UVA to have Hodges high on their list. Checked out the roster as well. They got plenty of young guys on the roster and another solid American with Connor Clements.
Who else is on their radar?
Lachlan McPhee was a talented GGC player and he must have been smart too because he transferred to Vanderbilt. Most of GGC's matches are complete blowouts; most of the other NAIA teams are lucky to win a line. GGC's challenging schedule is in the fall as the doubles and singles players try to win the Oracle Cup for D2/3/NAIA and earn spots at the national indoors. The competitive matches GGC plays in the spring are against top D2 teams and a few D1 teams that will play GGC. GGC has the Power UTR of a midrange Power 5 team-81. The next best NAIA team Xavier of LA is 78 and then the next teams are 75 and below. I would think Chase would be getting bored in the spring. The D1 teams that played GGC were Citadel, Kennesaw State, NC A&T and Tenn. Tech. Too bad none of the Power schools will play GGC-they might be a little scared. The GGC player Konfederak beat two Bulldogs in Athens in the A draw of the Southern intercollegiate invite in Athens in 2015 before losing to Wayne Montgomery in the finals, and former player Lachlan McPhee won the B draw beating one Bulldog in the process.
However, I would think UVA would go for a coach who had a track record recruiting US blue chips as well as high ranked Europeans. Hodges recruits from everywhere-Mideast, South America, Australia, etc. Europeans in general have the best academic background for a selective school like UVA. UVA has one of the best donor bases, and many of those making donations I think are highly successful former UVA players. I think those guys would want a coach who would keep the team at least 50/50 top US players.
Ages of roster of GGU:
23, 26, 21, 25, 19, 22, 25, 20, 21, 21
I do not believe anyone on the U VA roster is over the age of 22.
McPhee played 5 and 6 at Gwinnett and is now playing 3 at Vandy and 1 doubles. After looking at the Gwinnett roster, they would be able to compete and probably win against most schools from D1 power conferences. I agree in that Hodges must be bored beating all the teams that he plays and also agree that many major schools like UGA and GT are probably scared to play them.
Looks like they have 2 Americans in the top 6 and an Israeli transfer from UNLV and 3 South Americans in the lineup. Konfederak is the real deal for sure.
He's somewhat struggling at Vandy though. Has a losing record this year.
What about Brett Ross who was assistant under Bresky? GA State is ranked and has beaten some Power teams or is he too young? He has not been at GA State long enough that all the players are his recruits. He was also a USTA collegiate coach for several summers. Same for Derek S, asst at GA Tech. However, those guys probably need a couple more years for big job like that. Who else was a USTA collegiate coach (shows development), asst at a selective ACC/SEC school, etc? I am just thinking coaches from southern schools; there are probably tons of good candidates from other Power schools or possibly some of the top Mid major conferences like the AAC.
On a tangent note, sr Zac Kennedy, GA State's 1S was a freshmen recruit at Clemson who transferred... good one who got away.
I agree with most things you are saying here....But for many programs with large endowments, because lets face it thats what it takes to have a successful program, the coach can coach and is paid well to do so. But this is limited to drills, fitness and mental as the student already brings in the technique. So you can say Boland was able to get the most out an exceptional group of players, consistently. No denying he was a good coach in a well supported program. But for most other programs the coach is a paid administrator with some tennis experience, and organizes the team because that is all the school can afford. Most good coaches go into private teaching or out of tennis altogether. Other sports college/HS athletics is their only forum for coaching, so there is higher level altogether.
I definitely don't feel a college coach is going to turn a 3 star recruit into a Blue Chip in 4 years. Its pretty rare when it happens...
Your other comments about college tennis are funny, and I actually agree with them. I don't think this is because of coaches though, more because of the power 5 conferences, ITA, and athletic departments that only want top football programs thinking this will generate income and attention. Read about the disaster called University of Buffalo athletics right now.
I agree, Hodges might be pulling this off at GGC, but they are an NAIA school with different standards. He has picked up some players who competed on the futures tour and didn't qualify for D-1. Many NAIA programs do this, not sure he is coaching these guys to success just connected at picking up players.
I think UVA would go for someone running a successful program at the D-1 level. But remember, before Boland this program was underfunded and in the cellar of the ACC. I don't think they ever made the NCAA tournament before 2000. They have been fortunate with donations and upgrades, probably more then anyone else out there. If Boland drove this kudos to him, but I would imagine they will still have great support that UVA could take a chance on some up and coming assistant with ties to the program or ties to a big time program and recruits.
From the GGC website (not GGU). He's got the D1 experience. Now, it makes sense why Drake has become a prominent men's tennis program. I'd be surprised if UVA hired an assistant coach. Seems like head coaching experience would be necessary. Got to think Bresky from Wake Forest would be at the top of their list. Hodges seems to be a diamond in the rough though...
Hodges would be a slam dunk hire for anyone. I'm sure the UVA job will be the first domino to Fall this summer. Expect Alabama to open as well.
zero chance Hodges gets the UVA job. He was a Div I coach and never won even a conference title at Georgia State.. Suddenly he can lead a program contending for National Championships?
From GGU website- he inherited a 1-20 team at Georgia State:
Hodges came to GGC from Division I Georgia State University in Atlanta, where he capped his three-year tenure by being named Colonial Athletic Association Co-Coach of the Year in April 2012. Hodges' time with the Panthers (2010-12) featured the greatest turnaround in men's collegiate tennis history, as he inherited a 1-20 team and led them to a 15-6 mark in his first season. He then set a school record with 21 victories in 2011 and added 20 more wins to the ledger the following year for a 56-17 mark over three years.
I agree with you Johnny. You can't compare NAIA with NCAA Division, the eligibility rules are just too far apart. Why these guys on here aren't looking at things from the opposite angle I'm not sure. You could take any decent Division 1 coach with foreign connections, give them the same amount of scholarships as GGC and they would be just as successful. No doubt. When you could go after guys like John Roddick, Bryan Shelton, Bresky, etc., why would you settle on Hodges. Don't think for one second that many of the top D1 coaches are so loyal that they couldn't be coaxed away from there current school. Rick Worley must be his agent.
I wonder if this job will go to John Roddick. I suspected when he took the UCF job he was actually eyeing the Player Development job for himself and the face time he would receive in Orlando might get him that position. UVA is a plum job.
He was magnificent at Oklahoma and has UCF heading in the right direction. At the same time, Oklahoma appears to be returning to their very average tennis history.
I doubt it. The whole reason he left Oklahoma for UCF was the USTA campus element of it. The Virginia job would not be all that different from the Oklahoma job for him as he had built Oklahoma into a program that made 3 straight NCAA title match appearances.
I agree with you to a great extent. Although, UVA is a top program and a top academic school. Before Roddick, Oklahoma was a mediocre program so they are new to winning in tennis. Oklahoma does have top notch facilities but they do not have the academic reputation which attracts the Blue Chips and they do not have the historical tennis success of UVA. Oklahoma had to build their program on foreign talent. Between Roddick's clear foreign connections and UVA recruiting American Blue Chips, it is a far superior job than Oklahoma.
I say this as an Oklahoma grad and a person who has followed Oklahoma tennis for a very long time. I cannot express how badly I wanted Oklahoma to win one of those titles. On the other hand, I am also a bit peeved at Roddick for leaving a program he made so successful. Still, I am thankful for everything he did but hate to see him leave as he is clearly one of the best coaches in America.
Hardest job to walk into, lose kwiatowski Aragone ritschard Corrinteli, maybe soderlund Altamirano or both, and replace Boland, good luck to that coach
New coach inherits 3 players, apparently re-recruits Andrew Harris, and gets the team to 4 in the country with losses to 1 and 2, before Harris does his yearly disappearing act. Sounds super average to me. Meanwhile, Spencer Papa is having the best season of his career by miles...plus they have lost 43 to Texas and Baylor and beat Gators without Harris in. I'd like to see how critical you are of the new guy at UVA. Jeez.
The new coach does have Papa playing his best since he arrived. I am very glad to see Papa playing well as he is becoming what Sooner tennis fans expected and hoped when he signed.
The team is now ranked 19 and that number 4 ranking seems very long ago. He started with 4 very experienced and very productive players (Harris, Papa, Ghilea and Bragusi). Most coaches would be ecstatic to walk into that. He also got a former Blue Chip Duke transfer (Chamdani) but he does not appear to be on a roster any longer. Does anyone know what happened?
If Harris comes back for the NCAA tournament they are a dangerous team that can compete with most teams. Like you mentioned, he does an annual Aussie 'walkabout' when injured. When healthy, Harris can compete with anyone and I hope he comes into the NCAAs
Lets see how Crowell does when he loses Harris, Ghilea and Bragusi this year. Other than Papa, he has no top 3 type player returning. I sincerely hope he recruits 3 top 5 players to replace them but I am more realistic than that... While you may think the future of Oklahoma tennis continues to look like it has with the last three consecutive championship appearances, I am not as optimistic. I really hope to be wrong.
As for the UVA coach, there is no doubt he has huge shoes to fill. On the other hand, it is an easier job than Oklahoma because they have a longer track record of tennis success. Recruiting tennis player to UVA is easier than to Norman, Oklahoma. This is tennis and not football.
Harris actually went pro, as per his personal statements and twitter accounts, so that was 3 returners. I heard multiple coaches turned the position down, so nobody sounded as you put it, "ecstatic," to walk-in the door. Papa, Ghilea, and Bragusi never played higher than 3 and Bragusi was not in the doubles lineup at all. All three players have their highest national singles rankings of their careers and Bragusi is ranked in doubles with 2 partners.
If Harris plays, they look to be clearly a top 5-10 team. I believe they were ranked #12 heading into NCAA's last year before making the final. Clearly a different team, but you get my point.
I do agree that UVA is MUCH easier to maintain the standard. Not even comparable. But, judging the new coach against 3 finals (which a large part was due recruiting off the Roddick name) seems a bit of a stretch and very unfair. I hope UVA and OU can continue to have a good level, as it's good for college tennis. Given what the OU coach was left with, I would find it phenomenal if they finish top 20.
My god you sound a lot like Lisa Stone, and that's not a compliment. For you to bring up Chase is just an absolute joke.
Chase definately has the resume for the job but I think it will go to an associate head coach at a top 20 program.
Chase has had a nice career, not that nice to go from NAIA to one of the best jobs in D1. Let's get to reality please
McPhee went 2-10 in the SEC this year btw
Brian was a succesful head Coach from a Mid-Major. My guess is they will stay with that. Or hire someone that has played/coached with Brian. Husack is a good example of hiring a Assoc. Head Coach.
If I had to wager, UVa will try to find an "off the radar"(basically mid-major or outside the top 25) coach-- that's been their hiring pattern for a while through all sports... it worked in basketball.
But, he'd have someone in the athletic department doing compliance, plus I'm sure he's fully aware that the standards are different. I'm not saying he should undoubtedly get the job, but i don't the different standards between NCAA and NAIA are as much of a problem are people are making it out to be.
Bluetrain I tend to disagree. I think coaching in the NAIA compared to the top of the NCAA Division 1 is like comparing Night and Day, worlds apart. If you can even name me one person who made that jump successfully, I would be very much surprised. Remember, we are not just talking about any Division 1 team, we are talking about a team that is constantly in the Top 5. Compliance would be the least of his problems. I agree with that. But at the NAIA very few restrictions are placed on recruits as far as eligibility is concerned and the NCAA Division 1 coaches are not even competing against you for those types of players since they can't get them eligible. You can get them in school, Div. 1 coaches can't. At the D1 level, everyone is competing for the same top players.
Scott Kidd who won championships at Auburn-Montgomery had a successful stint as the Clemson women's assistant coach. But so far as the head men's coach at Troy he has had moderate success at best.
You guys forget that Hodges has D1 experience. He was very successful at Drake and Georgia State. He had Drake in the top 30 in D1.
Tony Bennett was definitely not an "off the radar" coach. He had Wazzu in the top 25 during his years there and Pullman isn't the easiest place in the world to win.
Bruh, he made 2 NCAA tournaments and an NIT. It's UVA where he's gotten wins against HOF coaches.
Take a look at the history of Washington State basketball. Bennett is their Coach K
UVA is a top-shelf job, no question. However, in the grand scheme of most athletic departments, it is not a huge priority.
We ponder it, because we all love tennis. But, how the people at UVA handle it remains to be seen.
I imagine that it is a bit less of a priority than we all think it is.
UVa gives a good chunk of resources to tennis-- they've got some avid fans with serious $$.
EDIT: more than almost any other tennis program
What about Brett Ross from Georgia State? Most successful coach there. One of highest ranked mid majors. Played and coached in the ACC
I mentioned Brett Ross in an earlier post in April. He would be a good candidate for the following reasons: 1) as you noted, his own play and coaching in ACC 2) he recruited successfully for Wake Forest as an assistant coach 3) he can develop players as well as recruit them-he took Zac Kennedy, a Clemson transfer and turned him into a ranked 1S player who went 3 sets with Eubanks in February before losing 4) he also can prepare players for the pro game-he worked as a USTA Collegiate coach for 2 summers helping college players train to play on the circuit 5) he still can play at a high level himself: last summer he played in this league where the winner earned a spot at the Necker Cup; he lost in tiebreak to Michael Redlicki 6) he has taken GA State inside the top 40 in rankings at a school that does not even have indoor courts.
It's great to have 3 ranked D1 universities in GA that will go to the NCAAs this spring, but it will be interesting to see how long Brett stays at GSU. If he can do a lot with lesser resources and facilities, that bodes well that he could do an excellent job with outstanding recruits, resources, and facilities. Today GSU won the Sunbelt conference beating ranked South Alabama 4-3 after losing to them 1-6 early in the season. GSU had the big win vs Fl State early in the season; maybe they will pull off an upset in the NCAAs too.
Lots of work to do with losing 1 tk, 4/5 Jc, 4/5 Richard and doubs guy luca
College coaches get American juniors who are baseliners and have never learned much about doubles (take a look at doubles matches at junior tourneys). Then American college grads make a huge impact on the ATP doubles tour, much more so than in singles. There is a lot of coaching going in to cause that transformation to happen. I have watched the progressions in doubles skills and doubles tactics of players in college and it is substantial.
(To celebrate that fact, the NCAA decided to reduce doubles to a no-ad regular set, in an act of pure genius.)
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