Who will win more slams, Jannik Sinner or Carlos Alcaraz?
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at least we will know in the future the answer to that epic question who is really better between same aged fred and nadal
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
Well at this point it's obviously Sinner... Alcatraz proving to be too limited and vulnerable. Sinner will always be rock solid with the improved serve.
Also Sinner is kind of mini Djokovic and Alcaraz mini Federer. But Alcaraz doesn't have near the Federer talent and it's much harder to be successful with their playstyle than rock solid consistent Sinner/Djokovic kind
Also Sinner is kind of mini Djokovic and Alcaraz mini Federer. But Alcaraz doesn't have near the Federer talent and it's much harder to be successful with their playstyle than rock solid consistent Sinner/Djokovic kind
tennisandtennis
Semi-Pro
Alcaraz won Wimbledon against a healthy version of the most solid grass player ever, denying him a CYGS, and was 20 when he did it.
Limited and vulnerable.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
In the wind against the robot who hates unstable conditions (same thing with daytime AO)... when himself alcaraz specializes in wind.
And since then just been on a roll of losing nonstop exposed for the limited and vulnerable he is
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Alcaraz specializes in wind, since when?
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
He said in interview he likes playing in wind and thinks he's abnormally good at it
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Well I disagree with him, he didn't handle it well at Indian Wells vs. Nadal. Although that was extreme wind, maybe he means moderate wind.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
I'm sure he knows himself better than some guy on ttw lmfao
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
I never really understood this notion. Athletes have never proven to be better predictors than the general public, whether regarding themselves or their fellow players. Most 'expert' predictions from pros or former pros turn out to be laughably wrong. I read better analysis on TTW than I ever would from following the top "experts."
I've seen Alcaraz struggle with the wind, so I disagree with his take, and the evidence favors me.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
That's not a prediction it's him knowing his own play in various conditions which pros know themselves extremely well in that regard
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Son, you're still asking this question? seriously!
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Then why was he so error-prone in the wind at Indian Wells?
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
I am baffled that alcaraz is dominating the poll
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
I can understand that, son! Even i am baffled , these posters refuse to see the light.
Oval_Solid
Hall of Fame
sinner has the best coach
alcarazs coach didnt even show up
sinner uses a professional spec racket
alcaraz uses the same racket people at the park play with
alcarazs coach didnt even show up
sinner uses a professional spec racket
alcaraz uses the same racket people at the park play with
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
Carlos Alcaraz.
Sinner didn't look convincing to me at all in the Final, and even in the SF, now that I've came out of "yeyy, Djokovic lost" celebration mode.
Sinner didn't look convincing to me at all in the Final, and even in the SF, now that I've came out of "yeyy, Djokovic lost" celebration mode.
Angrybirdstar
Semi-Pro
https://theracquet.substack.com/p/airbending-in-the-desert (TL;DR he wasn't; he was error-prone in the first and non-windy set)
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
Not to mention sinner has the closest to the djokovic style which got the most results
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
Lol perfect
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
There was a lot of wind in the first set. The article is totally incorrect - it went to a comical level of wind in set 2, but was certainly present in set 1.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Perfect? It's laughable. You can see the wind blowing the players shirts pre-serve from the very start:
Yes, it went to a comical level in the 2nd set, at which time it only made sense to play safe shots, but it was present to some level throughout.
At this point it’s quite equal tbh. Sinner ofcourse has become a super solid player, while Alcaraz is also improving YoY. His 2023 was better than 2022 which was better than 2021.
Same goes with Sinner in YoY development so far.
We don’t - where they plateau eventually. Both are work in progress.
Sinner has to still improve quite a lot on natural surfaces I believe and Alcaraz has quite a few areas of improvement himself - notably his backhand and point construction.
Same goes with Sinner in YoY development so far.
We don’t - where they plateau eventually. Both are work in progress.
Sinner has to still improve quite a lot on natural surfaces I believe and Alcaraz has quite a few areas of improvement himself - notably his backhand and point construction.
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Dwell
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Alcaraz never has point construction issues against Novak or Rafa. It's the boring mug gen that make his brain go haywire. He's totally fine and JFC is more than capable of taking him to the next level.
Angrybirdstar
Semi-Pro
yeah i misremembered the progression. seems like it was average IW wind in first set, to heavy mid way through first, to super heavy mid way through second. wouldn't say the article is totally incorrect - Alcaraz adjusting his play from the 1st set and playing better than Nadal in the 2nd set, with the heavier wind, should probably be recognized and weighed at least as much as his sloppier start. sure, maybe it could have done without implying the other sets weren't windy. anyway, think my point about him not being particularly error-prone in the wind still stands considering your original focus:
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
That's fair. The bottom line is, it was a messy match that was basically ruined by the wind in terms of quality. The time I saw Alcaraz play in wind, it's not as though he proved to be particularly adept, he lost, so based on that, I'm not impressed by his wind prowess.
Sipho
Rookie
I kind of agree.
Because you have to be supremely talented to win by hitting winners.
Just keeping the ball in and winning isn't anywhere near as hard.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
Ah yea it's easy to forget this is just hard court where Sinner is clearly superior
So it's surprising to see Alcaraz's big lead in the poll. Sinner hasn't proven yet that he will win many slams. Djokovic played one of the worst matches of his career, but Sinner still lost the only competitive set to him. Medvedev was very tired, but he still managed to lose 2 sets to him and brought the score to 4:4 deuce on his serve in the 3rd set. Before that, he lost YEC final without a chance in front of the home crowd.
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Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
I think Jannik might win more, but I like Alcaraz just as much and I think he is also going to have an incredible career.
Both of these guys are heading towards all-time great careers at warp speed.
Rune, Korda and FFA are the ones I am starting to worry about from the younger brigade. They will no doubt be very good but haven’t seen anything recently that suggests they are going to able to stick with Alcaraz and Sinner if they ascend even further.
Both of these guys are heading towards all-time great careers at warp speed.
Rune, Korda and FFA are the ones I am starting to worry about from the younger brigade. They will no doubt be very good but haven’t seen anything recently that suggests they are going to able to stick with Alcaraz and Sinner if they ascend even further.
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
Nadal and Federer in windy conditions are both insane. I remember Nadal absolutely slaughtering Murray in horrible winds at IW one year.
And Federer even as an older guy on his worst surface can hang with almost anyone in horribly windy conditions. The RG match he played against Rafa in 2019…. Obviously not peak Rafa by any means but that match was played in horrible conditions and it was amazing how well even Older Federer’s high risk game held up in that weather.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Sinner will win 10 slams this year.
8 would be realistic.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Chicken legs will win more!
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
I agree. Alcaraz doesn’t like windy conditions either. It just Djokovic hates them more. Alcaraz is error prone even on good day but that’s made much worse in windy conditions.
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Alcaraz has won most matches with extreme wind involved, he won indian Wells, he got to the finals of cincinatti beating Tommy Paul in a match where the ball was doing crazy crazy things, to say that he isnt a a good wind player says that you havent watched enough of him
ghostofMecir
Legend
Don’t forget the Masterclass he put on against Soderling at the 2010 U.S. Open when the wind was ridiculous:
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6880F8/
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nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
It can be both but right now it seems sinner.
Advantage alcaraz on first look. When I saw sinner as a young player, I was already bitten multiple times by hype of Kyrgios Zverev and FAA. Being very conservative, I had never bought into the Sinner hype.
Alcaraz came in as a force. He is young dynamic. Used USO qf in 2021. Then in 2022 he showed he can get the job done by beating Rafole back to back. Anyone doubting this man is crazy. And I am totally sold on him from the start.
The problem seems to be the game styles. Sinner's game is much suited on hc. Just like Nole and Roger, he probably will be very consistent on 3 slams and clay I am yet to see.
But Alcaraz is the opposite. Despite his hc success, he is following the trajectory of Nadal to the tee. He has won no RG but his overall career seem to be clay heavy soon. His problem is he won't have luxary of playing lefty at all and he will not win 14 RG may not even win 6 like Borg and that's a huge disadvantage.
At this stage I think Sinner's prospects are better. He can win on fastest courts proven by Turin and DC. And he has good game for grass.
Alcaraz matured early like Nadal. Sinner matured later but has more consistent less flashy game. And I actually like consistency over the flashy games. Alcaraz will come back very strong in clay season now so the general sentiment will shift towards him very soon but we are now talking long term, say in five years time.
Advantage alcaraz on first look. When I saw sinner as a young player, I was already bitten multiple times by hype of Kyrgios Zverev and FAA. Being very conservative, I had never bought into the Sinner hype.
Alcaraz came in as a force. He is young dynamic. Used USO qf in 2021. Then in 2022 he showed he can get the job done by beating Rafole back to back. Anyone doubting this man is crazy. And I am totally sold on him from the start.
The problem seems to be the game styles. Sinner's game is much suited on hc. Just like Nole and Roger, he probably will be very consistent on 3 slams and clay I am yet to see.
But Alcaraz is the opposite. Despite his hc success, he is following the trajectory of Nadal to the tee. He has won no RG but his overall career seem to be clay heavy soon. His problem is he won't have luxary of playing lefty at all and he will not win 14 RG may not even win 6 like Borg and that's a huge disadvantage.
At this stage I think Sinner's prospects are better. He can win on fastest courts proven by Turin and DC. And he has good game for grass.
Alcaraz matured early like Nadal. Sinner matured later but has more consistent less flashy game. And I actually like consistency over the flashy games. Alcaraz will come back very strong in clay season now so the general sentiment will shift towards him very soon but we are now talking long term, say in five years time.
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
US Open is a good example because of how swirly it gets.
How do you play such high risk tennis half volleying everything in that type of weather on a lively high bouncing surface when everyone else is struggling.
Another example of Robert Freakerer.
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
A timely reminder that in by-age terms Carlitos Alcaraz is a complete freak.
He is being underrated at the moment on the back of the AO by some people who expect all-or-nothing results from him at AO when in reality the surface and conditions don’t suit his game that well.
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ALCARAZWON
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Carlos has no limit, because he's the most talented tennis player of all-time, and good enough to win the Calendar Year Grand Slam.
Whereas I'm not even sure if Sinner will win the Career Grand Slam.
Whereas I'm not even sure if Sinner will win the Career Grand Slam.
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