Who will win more slams, Jannik Sinner or Carlos Alcaraz?

Who will win more slams?


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I just cannot understand these comparisons that people feel compelled to make. As far as I remember Berdych hasn't won a slam, has won 13 ATP tour level tiles including 1 Masters title to the end of his career. Jannik has won a slam and a Masters title - a total of 11 ATP tour level titles so far, aged only 22 with all the skills and incisive ability to add many more titles before he retires from the sport. Yes, they are both tall. My partner thought Tomas was good looking so maybe he is ahead of Jannik in that regard (although tastes differ, of course!) Other than that, although Tomas was a very good player, Jannik has a superior quality, and is still learning / developing his skills. There is no viable comparison, as far as I can assess.
Both were tall guys, who stayed behind the baseline and hit the ball hard all of the time. Both had limited ability against top level talent. Both guys wore baseball hats and have curly hair. Both were sponsored by Nike.

Sinner is Berdych and Alcaraz is Rafa lite.

Welcome to the 2024 tennis season (also known as The Bizarro World.)
 
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It's important to remember that Jannik is 2 years ahead of Charlos in development.
i think it's important to remember Jannick started tennis training aged 12.... several vital years behind carlos.

hard to call such matters but from my read of personalities, jannick seems the stoic guy who does not heap very big expectations on himself. seems like the next ball, next game , next set kinda guy.

that might tilt the scales in his favor in the long run, along with the inherent easy power and a level headed coaching team, shout out to Darren Cahill

[i have just a cursory interest in how this unfolds
my guy Rafa has given me a great ride and i'm evolving away from tennis watching as he rides into the sunset]
 
I just cannot understand these comparisons that people feel compelled to make. As far as I remember Berdych hasn't won a slam, has won 13 ATP tour level tiles including 1 Masters title to the end of his career. Jannik has won a slam and a Masters title - a total of 11 ATP tour level titles so far, aged only 22 with all the skills and incisive ability to add many more titles before he retires from the sport. Yes, they are both tall. My partner thought Tomas was good looking so maybe he is ahead of Jannik in that regard (although tastes differ, of course!) Other than that, although Tomas was a very good player, Jannik has a superior quality, and is still learning / developing his skills. There is no viable comparison, as far as I can assess.
Go back six months and sinner would have no slam no masters 6 or so titles. And the comparison made sense then. It's not just because both are tall. They both lacked something in rallies. The x factor.
 
i think it's important to remember Jannick started tennis training aged 12.... several vital years behind carlos.

hard to call such matters but from my read of personalities, jannick seems the stoic guy who does not heap very big expectations on himself. seems like the next ball, next game , next set kinda guy.

that might tilt the scales in his favor in the long run, along with the inherent easy power and a level headed coaching team, shout out to Darren Cahill

[i have just a cursory interest in how this unfolds
my guy Rafa has given me a great ride and i'm evolving away from tennis watching as he rides into the sunset]
Jannik started at three and seemed to have focused more on skiing between ages 7 and 8. That Cult Tennis video that kickstarted this Sinner PR to the mainstream peddles a questionable narrative. That he turned pro at 14 despite the claim of his starting at 12 should make one incredulously cross-verify said claim!

Admittedly there are several different versions of when Sinner began (some say he began even later, at 13), but that he started at 3 playing both Tennis and the sport of skiing, while focusing more on skiing between 7 and 8 while he left home at 13/14 to soon turn professional in Tennis seems to be the most consistent tale. https://bhgo.fra1.digitaloceanspace...-age-birth-date-height-girlfriend-career.html

It's uncommon for elite athletes to not be pretty damn good at other sports from my understanding. Additionally his skiing background makes him a better Tennis player -- lending him a natural sliding ability even on grass much like skiing helped Novak, the best slider on grass -- than anything else. Ask Rafa about his shift to Tennis from football, or Novak as mentioned before about how as a mountain kid from a professional skiing family (like the sinner from the mountains), how skiing turned out to be total blessing to his Tennis game. https://www.essentiallysports.com/s...djokovic-and-his-love-for-skiing-tennis-2020/

Sinner just continues to remind me of Novak the more I think about it. It's uncanny as hell!

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Addendum: I liken musicianship to excelling in sports. A musician who plays multiple instruments has advantages that someone who can play just one cannot come close to sniffing.
 
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My hunch is that it will be Sinner, and that's not recency bias kicking in. Sinner is a ruthlessly honed winning machine - everything about his game says winner. I think he's probably overcome the mental issues that kept him from the top, can't be certain, but it feels like it.
And though i love Sinner, i adore Alcaraz. Carlos is a magic machine, unpredictable, but occasionally sublime.
I'm gonna be ridiculous and dare to predict their slam counts 10 - 8 Sinner. I have no faith in my prediction whatsoever, but hey ho, that's how it goes.
 

Here's a glimpse into another mountain kid who was good enough to win skiing trophies who also ended up being a fine Tennis player:

"Federer had a natural eye for a ball, and as well as his precocious skill as a tennis player, he won skiing trophies, impressed on the basketball court, and fancied himself as a striker on the football field. At the age of 12, he had to decide between tennis and football. "He enjoyed all sports at that time, and probably liked football as much as he liked tennis. Roger was into anything that was outdoors and sporty," his mother said."

As I said earlier, it's never a handicap to excel at other sports but it only typically is instead immensely beneficial with a host of transferable skills to sports where they apply.

Also I'm not sure if Charlie spent all day long just hitting the tennis ball. He clearly has some football skills though I don't think he is Rafa with the foot by any means.
 
Jannik started at three and seemed to have focused more on skiing between ages 7 and 8. That Cult Tennis video that kickstarted this Sinner PR to the mainstream peddles a questionable narrative. That he turned pro at 14 despite the claim of his starting at 12 should make one incredulously cross-verify said claim!

Admittedly there are several different versions of when Sinner began (some say he began even later, at 13), but that he started at 3 playing both Tennis and the sport of skiing, while focusing more on skiing between 7 and 8 while he left home at 13/14 to soon turn professional in Tennis seems to be the most consistent tale. https://bhgo.fra1.digitaloceanspace...-age-birth-date-height-girlfriend-career.html

It's uncommon for elite athletes to not be pretty damn good at other sports from my understanding. Additionally his skiing background makes him a better Tennis player -- lending him a natural sliding ability even on grass much like skiing helped Novak, the best slider on grass -- than anything else. Ask Rafa about his shift to Tennis from football, or Novak as mentioned before about how as a mountain kid from a professional skiing family (like the sinner from the mountains), how skiing turned out to be total blessing to his Tennis game. https://www.essentiallysports.com/s...djokovic-and-his-love-for-skiing-tennis-2020/

Sinner just continues to remind me of Novak the more I think about it. It's uncanny as hell!

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Addendum: I liken musicianship to excelling in sports. A musician who plays multiple instruments has advantages that someone who can play just one cannot come close to sniffing.
You are right. Its PROPAGANDA by his fans who are just a bunch of kids who didn't know that these athletes can excel at many sports.

Sinner is now in between Berdych and Nole but soon he will have his own way ahead. He seems to be the future. I have more faith on him than Raz.

 
You are right. Its PROPAGANDA by his fans who are just a bunch of kids who didn't know that these athletes can excel at many sports.

Sinner is now in between Berdych and Nole but soon he will have his own way ahead. He seems to be the future. I have more faith on him than Raz.

Yeah, well, I can't really fault you for having more faith in Sinner than Alcaraz. Call it recency bias but you feel what you feel. Sinner has indeed put things together.

I personally have faith in Carlos coming back from this slump having been a keen observer of his game for a long time. I have a reasonable faith in Alcaraz putting his range together into a formidable package soon enough. Contrary to the opinions of many, the upside to Alcaraz is immense with the sky itself being the limit.
 
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Yeah, well, I can't really fault you for having more faith in Sinner than Alcaraz. Call it recency bias but you feel what you feel. Sinner has indeed put things together.

I personally have faith in Carlos coming back from this slump having been a keen observer of his game for a long time. I have reasonable faith in Alcaraz putting his range together into a forbidden package soon enough. Contrary to the opinions of many, the upside to Alcaraz is immense with the sky itself being the limit.
A player like Carlos wont be denied, people watch highlights and think he is all about reaching imposible balls and thats It lol, they cant know what people that have watched countless matches from him know
 
You are right. Its PROPAGANDA by his fans who are just a bunch of kids who didn't know that these athletes can excel at many sports.

Sinner is now in between Berdych and Nole but soon he will have his own way ahead. He seems to be the future. I have more faith on him than Raz.

Idk why people pick Alcaraz. 2 out of four slams are hard court. Sinner is so much better than Alcaraz on hard court, and I think he’ll be better than Alcaraz on grass with the height difference
 
Idk why people pick Alcaraz. 2 out of four slams are hard court. Sinner is so much better than Alcaraz on hard court, and I think he’ll be better than Alcaraz on grass with the height difference
Exactly my point. 2 slams are on HC and Sinner is better. Even on grass, we don't know but JUST LIKE Djokovic, Sinner will probably dominate it soon. The serve and return combo is all that matters to me. Out of clay.
 
A player like Carlos wont be denied, people watch highlights and think he is all about reaching imposible balls and thats It lol, they cant know what people that have watched countless matches from him know
Precisely. I said this about Rune earlier but there will be shockwaves across the unbelievers' TTW soon from Carlos, but at a significantly larger scale.

Just watch a few matches of his.
 
Exactly my point. 2 slams are on HC and Sinner is better. Even on grass, we don't know but JUST LIKE Djokovic, Sinner will probably dominate it soon. The serve and return combo is all that matters to me. Out of clay.
Just that missed overhead by Nole and those missed backhands in the tiebreaker in that Wimbledon final and Alcaraz would’ve been slamless in 2023. Also don’t forget Sinners match point in 2022
 
Just that missed overhead by Nole and those missed backhands in the tiebreaker in that Wimbledon final and Alcaraz would’ve been slamless in 2023. Also don’t forget Sinners match point in 2022
I can't take any past slams away from Raz. I am more talking about long term future. Raz had Nadal like rise but we will see in few years.
 
Just that missed overhead by Nole and those missed backhands in the tiebreaker in that Wimbledon final and Alcaraz would’ve been slamless in 2023. Also don’t forget Sinners match point in 2022
If Djokovic was above a challenger level doubles player level, Sinner would have been treated the same as he was in the Wimbledon semifinal. If Medvedev had played an hour or so fewer at the AO, Sinner would have been crushed in straights.

If Alcaraz didn't save that match point against Sinner, Sinner would have won (and promptly lost to Tiafoe).

If my aunt had testicles, she'd be my uncle.
 
Just that missed overhead by Nole and those missed backhands in the tiebreaker in that Wimbledon final and Alcaraz would’ve been slamless in 2023. Also don’t forget Sinners match point in 2022
You shouldn't take them away from him as well. But we can extrapolate on how he will perform on HC this year.
 
Z beat better and younger versions of big 3 in BO3 and where is he now? Slamless.
Rune has shown some mental skills that zverev never did, zed was just overpowering people, just like sinner is doing now, only that he has won a slam, something that zverev got very Close of doing, i wont speculate about the future, i prefere to Talk with the facts that we have on hand, and rune has shown more promising skills than sinner did at the same age, if you wanna think he is just gonna get worse being 20, well suit yourself, i really dont, i have watched a lot of tennis, and despite the good results zverev or tsitsipas had early on, i never saw that extra bit needed to do something remarcable, i see it with rune, but hes gonna have to improve and hes gonna have a lot of competition
 
Rune has shown some mental skills that zverev never did, zed was just overpowering people, just like sinner is doing now, only that he has won a slam, something that zverev got very Close of doing, i wont speculate about the future, i prefere to Talk with the facts that we have on hand, and rune has shown more promising skills than sinner did at the same age, if you wanna think he is just gonna get worse being 20, well suit yourself, i really dont, i have watched a lot of tennis, and despite the good results zverev or tsitsipas had early on, i never saw that extra bit needed to do something remarcable, i see it with rune, but hes gonna have to improve and hes gonna have a lot of competition

Z did far better than what Rune did and in slams Rune is busy losing in early rounds. As long as Rune doesn't do something in slams it means jack. He's way way behind Sinner and comparison is not even worth.
 
Z did far better than what Rune did and in slams Rune is busy losing in early rounds. As long as Rune doesn't do something in slams it means jack. He's way way behind Sinner and comparison is not even worth.
If you only see the results, you wont get the whole picture, i Talk about the tennis, watching both, its obvious rune has a higher ceiling than zverev, sinner is older, and still has a much worse Game at the net than rune, and a much less complete Game from the get go, if you wanna make predictions about the future, then watching the actual tennis Will help a lot more than just checking past results, i probably watched more than 20 rune matches since he was on tour, i watched a lot of FULL matches from Young zverev too, and then i can give an informed opinion, then of course, its just an opinion, but i always feel people here Talk a lot and dont watch enough.
 
My hunch is that it will be Sinner, and that's not recency bias kicking in. Sinner is a ruthlessly honed winning machine - everything about his game says winner. I think he's probably overcome the mental issues that kept him from the top, can't be certain, but it feels like it.
And though i love Sinner, i adore Alcaraz. Carlos is a magic machine, unpredictable, but occasionally sublime.
I'm gonna be ridiculous and dare to predict their slam counts 10 - 8 Sinner. I have no faith in my prediction whatsoever, but hey ho, that's how it goes.

Alcaraz is clearly a more athletic and dynamic competitor. But Sinner could just be better built for tennis in terms of his physiology.
 
If you only see the results, you wont get the whole picture, i Talk about the tennis, watching both, its obvious rune has a higher ceiling than zverev, sinner is older, and still has a much worse Game at the net than rune, and a much less complete Game from the get go, if you wanna make predictions about the future, then watching the actual tennis Will help a lot more than just checking past results, i probably watched more than 20 rune matches since he was on tour, i watched a lot of FULL matches from Young zverev too, and then i can give an informed opinion, then of course, its just an opinion, but i always feel people here Talk a lot and dont watch enough.

You should stop watching tennis if you think Rune has a higher ceiling than Z.
 
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Rune at least has half a chance when he steps on a grass court. Zverev has 0% chance. So Rune theoretically has 33% more slams to fight for.

I didn't talk about who will win slams or not. I was talking about ceiling, btw Z has beaten Roger Federer on grass and Fedalovic at YEC ( better version than this Novak)
 
I didn't talk about who will win slams or not. I was talking about ceiling, btw Z has beaten Roger Federer on grass and Fedalovic at YEC ( better version than this Novak)

Beating Fedalovic indoors has been meaningless for several of years. Plenty of players have their scalp indoors.

Ceiling is semi-synonymous with slam potential.
 
Beating Fedalovic indoors has been meaningless for several of years. Plenty of players have their scalp indoors.

Ceiling is semi-synonymous with slam potential.

Who beat better version of Djokovic twice at YEC? Who did beat Nadal on clay? Who did beat Fed on grass ( out of current generation) beating oldovic in Paris masters is lesser feat than beating him at YEC, beating Nadal on clay and Beating Fed on grass and at YEC. What did Rune did? Beat Djokovic at Paris masters?lol
 
Who beat better version of Djokovic twice at YEC? Who did beat Nadal on clay? Who did beat Fed on grass ( out of current generation) beating oldovic in Paris masters is lesser feat than beating him at YEC, beating Nadal on clay and Beating Fed on grass and at YEC. What did Rune did? Beat Djokovic at Paris masters?lol

You're being irrational. We've seen at or near Zverev's peak, he's turning 27 in a month. Rune is unlikely to reach a very high peak, but his theoretical ceiling is higher. Compare Zverev at 19/20 to Rune at 19/20.
 
You're being irrational. We've seen at or near Zverev's peak, he's turning 27 in a month. Rune is unlikely to reach a very high peak, but his theoretical ceiling is higher. Compare Zverev at 19/20 to Rune at 19/20.

I am not irrational. Till now Rune has not anything what Z had done. He might vulture a slam in future but his celling is nowhere as high as Z.
 
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Zverev is actually a lower ceiling guy. He has always played his worst in big matches. Someone like Wawrinka would do the opposite many a times in slams. But Zverev is probably the worst at handling pressure. Probably because he is not good enough a tennis player.
 
The overrating of Zverev comes from his hypothetical performance where he will never get broken and keep his lead and keep performing for five hrs.

It has never actually happened. He had some big wins but is hopelessly behind any atg or even Andy Murray in this category.

What Zverev was propped up was the next 10 slam champion or at least a sure atg around 2017. The hype was through the roof. Then he had slump in 2018 but won ATP finals and everyone thought it's time for him to win slams now.

He has made 1 slam final till now. Whatever he does from now to his career end, it won't justify the early hype for him.

So the talk about his ceiling is futile now. I will defend Medvedev I will even defend tsitsipas. These guys were never regarded as some all conquering players.

But I will not defend and actually challenge whenever the hypo Zverev is brought up. He is less successful than Medvedev while having twice as much hype. In the end Medvedev has already won a slam and is contending for all slams while Zverev is winning 250s and 500s.
 
Zverev masters wins by age

2017 2
2018 1 ( plus ATP finals)
2019 0
2020 0
2021 2 ( plus ATP finals)
2022 0
2023 0

He has barely won every year much even in BO3. What Zverev is good at is going to fifth set vs scrubs and taking some fairly low quality wins.

Even Zverev's sole slam final was during HEIGHTS of pandemic when his superior Djokovic got defaulted and he still could have choked matches in QF SF. He is that average.

When Zverev lost in RG 21 semis, this same hypothetical peak Zverev was still there. He lost in fifth set vs Tsitsipas although just by eye test he would have taken all five sets.

In Madrid on clay he barely escaped Berrettini and it was one of his master wins. He has had some fairly lackluster performances.

Comparing Zverev to Daveydenko and other non slam winners he may be ahead but not vs anyone even remotely near atg level like Andy Murray. So rune has to be just a little bit better than he is now to surpass the low bar Zverev has set.
 
Medvedev is blocked by Rafole in slams
Thiem was blocked by Rafole in slams
Tsitsipas was blocked by Djokovic in slams

Zverev was blocked by Kohlschriber Ruud and post injury Raonic. He is that level guy. You might expect him to "figure out" tennis and become some unbeatable god but it's not going to happen, you know it. So all we are left with is this hypothetical peak Zverev.
 
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