Who will win more slams now. Sinner or Alcaraz?

[Halba]

Alcaraz lost to Zverev who is no where near the calibre of Djokovic.

However Alcaraz already has 2 slams in the bag- Sinner might have 1 by Sunday so the difference might only be 1 going into RG. Sinner will be top 3 favourite for RG as medvedev suck on clay and Nadal can barely play BO3.

Sinner has over come his mental issues at this level- after putting away Djokovic this time and has also beaten him twice recently, so this is the 3rd win. Alcaraz, struggled to beat Djokovic since Wimbledon and his level has come down significantly. Alcaraz is more injury prone than Sinner, but both have had injuries. Age wise, only 1 year difference.

In terms of raw talent- Sinner offers more on both the Serve and the ground strokes, as we saw in todays thorough dismantling of Novak on his best court. He is also significantly taller than Alcaraz- he is 6,2(same as Novaks height a proven slam winning height). Alcaraz is only Agassi height at 5,11.

In terms of game style, Sinners is considerably more relaxed playing style. Alcaraz game style is hard work and he puts more effort into his shots. In terms of serve, Sinners serve is vastly superior, as evidenced by Novak not being able to return anything at all or create a single Break point opportunity.

Discuss.

 

[Rovesciarete]

In terms of raw talent- Sinner offers more on both the Serve and the ground strokes, as we saw in todays thorough dismantling of Novak on his best court. He is also significantly taller than Alcaraz- he is 6,2(same as Novaks height a proven slam winning height). Alcaraz is only Agassi height at 5,11.

Discuss.

Just wanted to note that Sinner is 193, or over 6'3. Sinner served very well and the 8% aces undervalues its quality. Novak is right to point out also the follow-up as I have often noted...

 

[TheSlicer]

Novak played one of his worst gran slam matches ever, sinner played great tought, he is in a great form, still, lets see how the year unfolds, lets not forget Alcaraz is younger than sinner and still has many things to figure out, i think we are in for a great rivalry

 

[Halba]

Just wanted to note that Sinner is 193, or over 6'3. Sinner served very well and the 8% aces undervalues its quality. Novak is right to point out also the follow-up as I have often noted...

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6,2 according to atp website.

 

[Halba]

Novak played one of his worst gran slam matches ever, sinner played great tought, he is in a great form, still, lets see how the year unfolds, lets not forget Alcaraz is younger than sinner and still has many things to figure out, i think we are in for a great rivalry

Yep. itll be like Nadal v Djokovic level rivalry after 11-12 years.

 

[TheSlicer]

And stop with the height thing already, its ridículous, once youve won the Big titles he has won its obvious height is not gonna stop him from beating anyone, he just has to improve his reading of the match and his tennis

 

[fmadej]

Still Alcaraz

 

[Rovesciarete]

Jannik Sinner | Overview | ATP Tour | Tennis

Official tennis player profile of Jannik Sinner on the ATP Tour. Featuring news, bio, rankings, playing activity, coach, stats, win-loss, points breakdown, videos, and more.

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6,2 according to atp website.

Completely out of date, he was when he entered the tour. 1,93 according to an old interview with Piatti. Just look when he shakes hands with guys like Sonego, Tsitsipas, Fritz, Kyrgios..

 

[Tennfan123]

Sinner hasn't won one yet.

 

[FeroBango]

Novak played one of his worst gran slam matches ever, sinner played great tought, he is in a great form, still, lets see how the year unfolds, lets not forget Alcaraz is younger than sinner and still has many things to figure out, i think we are in for a great rivalry

It doesn't matter if Alcaraz is two full years younger than the carrot boy. It doesn't matter that he sucked royally at Alcaraz' age much like most players. It doesn't even matter if even older ones like Zverev evolve their games (reducing ball toss).

What matters is that only others have room for improvement and Alcaraz is cursed by his 180cm height and Alcaraz alone won't fix his game with more experience gained. Others including Sinner should be/have been given the benefit of the doubt but this doesn't apply to Alcaraz.

 

[tennis24x7]

And stop with the height thing already, its ridículous, once youve won the Big titles he has won its obvious height is not gonna stop him from beating anyone, he just has to improve his reading of the match and his tennis

Yeah this is not NBA where the taller you are the better you are.

 

[bluetrain4]

Honestly, it's hard to tell. Sinner has looked fantastic at the AO and has a huge game, but only time will tell. Will top rivals figure out better ways to deal with him; can he maintain the level he's at consistently? Heck, can he even win on Sunday (we really should save this convo for after the final). Same for Alcaraz. IMO, neither is getting close to Big 3 levels of Slams - which I think in the long run will be a crazy historical anomaly. At the very least, we shouldn't expect every tennis generation to produce a 20+ Slam champion.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Hard to say. What is not hard to say is both Sinner and Alcaraz have what it takes.

Sinner has dropped just 1 set which he probably wouldn't have as well (mp in tiebreak). If this level is good enough to beat everyone NOW, it would be good enough usually as well. And he is just in the zone. Without injuries I have no idea why he wouldn't keep getting better.

Raz is 2 years younger and 2 slams ahead right now (could be 1 by end of the week). He bullied the field in Wimbledon and went to the final and beat Djokovic. Now Raz has clay to fall back on once Nadal retires. But he was beaten by Nole and Alcaraz back to back already. So let's see but I think he is going to have 4+ RG by end of his career.

Yes this could be a story repeat like Nadal and Djokovic.

Sinner playing role of Nole and winning hc slams and Alcaraz playing role of Nadal and winning clay slams.

Wimbledon Nole and Rafa truly played only 2 times and Nole won both. It would probably be the same story between Sinner and Raz.

Raz's problem is his height.

Sinner's problem is his late start.

Raz can't change his height now.

 

[TheSlicer]

Hard to say. What is not hard to say is both Sinner and Alcaraz have what it takes.

Sinner has dropped just 1 set which he probably wouldn't have as well (mp in tiebreak). If this level is good enough to beat everyone NOW, it would be good enough usually as well. And he is just in the zone. Without injuries I have no idea why he wouldn't keep getting better.

Raz is 2 years younger and 2 slams ahead right now (could be 1 by end of the week). He bullied the field in Wimbledon and went to the final and beat Djokovic. Now Raz has clay to fall back on once Nadal retires. But he was beaten by Nole and Alcaraz back to back already. So let's see but I think he is going to have 4+ RG by end of his career.

Yes this could be a story repeat like Nadal and Djokovic.

Sinner playing role of Nole and winning hc slams and Alcaraz playing role of Nadal and winning clay slams.

Wimbledon Nole and Rafa truly played only 2 times and Nole won both. It would probably be the same story between Sinner and Raz.

Raz's problem is his height.

Sinner's problem is his late start.

Raz can't change his height now.

Raz problem is not his height, sorry but its so stupid to think that

 

[nolefam_2024]

Raz problem is not his height, sorry but its so stupid to think that

It's rarely stupid to think this.


You are trying to argue that height makes zero difference.

The real next gen was Medvedev Tsitsipas Zverev and Thiem. Outside of Thiem, every single one was 6'5" or taller. I think Tsitsipas is 6'5".

That's what we saw in ATP finals. These guys have amazing serves and they did make a push post 2017/18. Pandemic did screw up with some of them and other issues as well.

Now I can't compare a Medvedev hitting 10+ aces pet game vs an alcaraz who hits 3+ aces like his compatriot Rafael Nadal. Even Nadal had serve advantage. Alcaraz serve is very good but these guys serve from the tree.

Now Alcaraz with his natural athleticism is favorite vs next gen but he goes with disadvantage. And when I compare him to Sinner, which is what the thread is about, he is 3 to 4 inches shorter. That's just too big a gap

 

[Vincent-C]

Sinner.

 

[TheSlicer]

It's rarely stupid to think this.


You are trying to argue that height makes zero difference.

The real next gen was Medvedev Tsitsipas Zverev and Thiem. Outside of Thiem, every single one was 6'5" or taller. I think Tsitsipas is 6'5".

That's what we saw in ATP finals. These guys have amazing serves and they did make a push post 2017/18. Pandemic did screw up with some of them and other issues as well.

Now I can't compare a Medvedev hitting 10+ aces pet game vs an alcaraz who hits 3+ aces like his compatriot Rafael Nadal. Even Nadal had serve advantage. Alcaraz serve is very good but these guys serve from the tree.

Now Alcaraz with his natural athleticism is favorite vs next gen but he goes with disadvantage. And when I compare him to Sinner, which is what the thread is about, he is 3 to 4 inches shorter. That's just too big a gap

I didnt say It makes 0 difference, i said its not what is gonna stop him from anything, if that hasnt been clear to you when hes won wimbledon beating taller players with bigger serves like medvedev, Rune, berretini, jarry, etc, then i dont know what to tell you, sinner at alcaraz age was much worse and didnt have the height problem you are saying, its just plain wrong to think height is gonna stop him when hes won all hes won when he hasnt even learnt how to adapt his game to different conditions and rivals, he is not rochus height, thats not gonna be a problem, other things that are more important might be, but we will see

 

[Rattie]

Carlos. He is naturally the most gifted, although he has a lot to learn yet.

 

[travlerajm]

Just wanted to note that Sinner is 193, or over 6'3. Sinner served very well and the 8% aces undervalues its quality. Novak is right to point out also the follow-up as I have often noted...

He was obviously towering over Jim Courier after the match. 2-3” taller

 

[nolefam_2024]

I didnt say It makes 0 difference, i said its not what is gonna stop him from anything, if that hasnt been clear to you when hes won wimbledon beating taller players with bigger serves like medvedev, Rune, berretini, jarry, etc, then i dont know what to tell you, sinner at alcaraz age was much worse and didnt have the height problem you are saying, its just plain wrong to think height is gonna stop him when hes won all hes won when he hasnt even learnt how to adapt his game to different conditions and rivals, he is not rochus height, thats not gonna be a problem, other things that are more important might be, but we will see

He is on the tour for so short a time. Players are learning his serve patterns. At the end of the day you can't fake height.

He can have great success but the question is directly compared to Sinner.

Sinner being much worse in 2022 is no reason to say he will have same improvements as sinner. Sinner had the height. He just needed to get better at serving. It was fixable.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Carlos. He is naturally the most gifted, although he has a lot to learn yet.

Naturally gifted is always a tricky thing. What gifts you might be seeing are good for a doubles player. But in singles you need great serve as well.

There is a reason why fed won so many slams in short time and was almost never dominated. The serve.

 

[FeroBango]

I didnt say It makes 0 difference, i said its not what is gonna stop him from anything, if that hasnt been clear to you when hes won wimbledon beating taller players with bigger serves like medvedev, Rune, berretini, jarry, etc, then i dont know what to tell you, sinner at alcaraz age was much worse and didnt have the height problem you are saying, its just plain wrong to think height is gonna stop him when hes won all hes won when he hasnt even learnt how to adapt his game to different conditions and rivals, he is not rochus height, thats not gonna be a problem, other things that are more important might be, but we will see

Yup. His serving has improved too. Especially his wide serve. The T serve needs fixing but he's getting there. His pace has gone up too that's for sure.

People here have amnesia with regards to how utterly terrible Sinner's serve was until very recently.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Yup. His serving has improved too. Especially his wife serve. The T serve needs fixing but he's getting there.

People here have amnesia with regards to how utterly terrible Sinner's serve was until very recently.

But he fixed it.

 

[FeroBango]

But he fixed it.

I don't have any doubts in Alcaraz fixing it either. I've seen a marked improvement on his slice serve after the off season and has overall more pump to it now. I mean he already had great pace.

He'll get where he needs to be soon enough.

I'm not going to mention his already world-class kick serve here.

 

[TheSlicer]

He is on the tour for so short a time. Players are learning his serve patterns. At the end of the day you can't fake height.

He can have great success but the question is directly compared to Sinner.

Sinner being much worse in 2022 is no reason to say he will have same improvements as sinner. Sinner had the height. He just needed to get better at serving. It was fixable.

Sinner serving improvement is only a small part of his current success, his serve improving has overshadowed that he has improved his ground Game, consistency, decisión making, and calmness as well, to say that Alcaraz is gonna kind of stagnate because he misses a couple of inches is... Well, i already said what It is.
He can improve in so many things and starts from a much more complete base than sinner, he might not win as many easy free points as a dominant server, but you better be sure his serve is gonna improve, he is only 20, and the rest of his Game is also gonna improve, rafa didnt win easy points with serve either, as i said, you are giving height too much importance, he is at a good height, players that are really hampered because they are to small just dont get to win the trophies hes won, ive watched enough tennis to know that

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner serving improvement is only a small part of his current success, his serve improving has overshadowed that he has improved his ground Game, consistency, decisión making, and calmness as well, to say that Alcaraz is gonna kind of stagnate because he misses a couple of inches is... Well, i already said what It is.
He can improve in so many things and starts from a much more complete base than sinner, he might not win as many easy free points as a dominant server, but you better be sure his serve is gonna improve, he is only 20, and the rest of his Game is also gonna improve, rafa didnt win easy points with serve either, as i said, you are giving height too much importance, he is at a good height, players that are really hampered because they are to small just dont get to win the trophies hes won, ive watched enough tennis to know that

Yes but he is proto Rafa

He is a righty guy which reduced his advantage by a lot already. Plus he is even shorter than Rafa Nadal.

 

[TheSlicer]

Yes but he is proto Rafa

He is a righty guy which reduced his advantage by a lot already. Plus he is even shorter than Rafa Nadal.

No man, im not gonna keep going with this, but no, hes got what it takes, look at shapovalov, federers height, amazing lefty serve, but what happens? Well he aint got what It takes, sometimes in tennis It is that simple, you could say Alcaraz has the best net Game amongst the top 20, his free points are gonna come from a lot of serve and volley and finishing points at the net, ive watched almost all alcaraz matches since like 4 years and i can tell you, unless something tragic happens, he is gonna be up there toe to toe with anyone, height talk when it comes to a double grand slam champion is utter nonsense.

 

[Rattie]

Naturally gifted is always a tricky thing. What gifts you might be seeing are good for a doubles player. But in singles you need great serve as well.

There is a reason why fed won so many slams in short time and was almost never dominated. The serve.

And he can make changes to his serve

 

[TennisFan3]

Alcaraz lost to Zverev who is no where near the calibre of Djokovic.

However Alcaraz already has 2 slams in the bag- Sinner might have 1 by Sunday so the difference might only be 1 going into RG. Sinner will be top 3 favourite for RG as medvedev suck on clay and Nadal can barely play BO3.

Sinner has over come his mental issues at this level- after putting away Djokovic this time and has also beaten him twice recently, so this is the 3rd win. Alcaraz, struggled to beat Djokovic since Wimbledon and his level has come down significantly. Alcaraz is more injury prone than Sinner, but both have had injuries. Age wise, only 1 year difference.

In terms of raw talent- Sinner offers more on both the Serve and the ground strokes, as we saw in todays thorough dismantling of Novak on his best court. He is also significantly taller than Alcaraz- he is 6,2(same as Novaks height a proven slam winning height). Alcaraz is only Agassi height at 5,11.

In terms of game style, Sinners is considerably more relaxed playing style. Alcaraz game style is hard work and he puts more effort into his shots. In terms of serve, Sinners serve is vastly superior, as evidenced by Novak not being able to return anything at all or create a single Break point opportunity.

Discuss.

Sinner is closer to 6 feet 4 inches. Exactly 6 feet 3.5 Inches. He is taller than Novak and Fedal, Murray etc significantly.

 

[sportsfan1]

Carlos has more variety, but sinner has made great progress. He has reversed all his matchup issues and has now beaten novak, carlos and medvedev in very convincing manner multiple times. He's actually approaching a semblance of dominance. We will have to see if med can out think him in the ao final - his win over zverev was surprising given how well zverev played against carlos.

Recency bias, but along with alcarazs struggles, the upside seems to be sinner at this point.

 

[TheSlicer]

Carlos has more variety, but sinner has made great progress. He has reversed all his matchup issues and has now beaten novak, carlos and medvedev in very convincing manner multiple times. He's actually approaching a semblance of dominance. We will have to see if med can out think him in the ao final - his win over zverev was surprising given how well zverev played against carlos.

Recency bias, but along with alcarazs struggles, the upside seems to be sinner at this point.

Thats undeniable, but we should know that in tennis everything can change so quickly, the same way that thinking Carlos was only gonna lose to Djokovic in the Next years was wrong, thinking that sinner is gonna dominate with iron hand from now on is just as wrong, the best players will find ways to put up a match, i think he could win big trophies this season and even have a shot at number 1 for sure, but lets see if he can mantain this good form for a whole season, im sure Carlos is at the lab right now thinking things trough as will a lot of players be, sinner has reached a great point and its great for tennis, but honestly i really dont expect a federer 2006 dominance as a lot of people are suggesting

 

[sportsfan1]

Thats undeniable, but we should know that in tennis everything can change so quickly, the same way that thinking Carlos was only gonna lose to Djokovic in the Next years was wrong, thinking that sinner is gonna dominate with iron hand from now on is just as wrong, the best players will find ways to put up a match, i think he could win big trophies this season and even have a shot at number 1 for sure, but lets see if he can mantain this good form for a whole season, im sure Carlos is at the lab right now thinking things trough as will a lot of players be, sinner has reached a great point and its great for tennis, but honestly i really dont expect a federer 2006 dominance as a lot of people are suggesting

Yes but look at alcarazs prolonged phases of struggles pre 2022 uso and post '23 wimby, his matchup issues especially against sinner, zverev and med.
Sinner was causing Carlos many issues in their uso match and could easily have won that match. Look at sinner's dominant wins over novak and raz.
If you had to bet, you'd take sinner right now.

 

[TheSlicer]

Yes but look at alcarazs prolonged phases of struggles pre 2022 uso and post '23 wimby, his matchup issues especially against sinner, zverev and med.
Sinner was causing Carlos many issues in their uso match and could easily have won that match. Look at sinner's dominant wins over novak and raz.
If you had to bet, you'd take sinner right now.

pashes of struggle have been a lot worse and longer for sinner than alcaraz, last year was only Alcarazs second full year on tour, if you wanna do a fair comparison about that, take a look at the struggles sinner had in his second full year, about betting on sinner, well its obvious he is in better form now, will he be in 2, 3 months? thats a more difficult bet, about match up issues, well i dont really think theyre match up issues, you are talking about basically the top 5 players, they are better than the rest, so if you are not 100 per cent you can lose against them, if it was a match up issue the h2h would be much more one sided

 

[FeroBango]

pashes of struggle have been a lot worse and longer for sinner than alcaraz, last year was only Alcarazs second full year on tour, if you wanna do a fair comparison about that, take a look at the struggles sinner had in his second full year, about betting on sinner, well its obvious he is in better form now, will he be in 2, 3 months? thats a more difficult bet, about match up issues, well i dont really think theyre match up issues, you are talking about basically the top 5 players, they are better than the rest, so if you are not 100 per cent you can lose against them, if it was a match up issue the h2h would be much more one sided

Yup. Not only should one look at the second full year of Sinner's (and most players') careers, but they also have to look at the many matchup issues Sinner had until very recently.

It drives me nuts that TTW forgives/forgets Sinner for hitting his peak years but won't hold Alcaraz to the same standards.

 

[Vincent-C]

Carlos. He is naturally the most gifted, although he has a lot to learn yet.

"naturally the most gifted"

Oh. Just hand media-anointed tiny all the Major trophies then, and say "ATG!" a lot.

Sinner's got way more upside, and a good (non-showoff) oncourt demeanor.

 

[TheSlicer]

Yup. Not only should one look at the second full year of Sinner's (and most players') careers, but they also have to look at the many matchup issues Sinner had until very recently.

It drives me nuts that TTW forgives/forgets Sinner for hitting his peak years but won't hold Alcaraz to the same standards.

I just feel a lot of posters dont really have much idea about tennis, and the ones that do, probably leave the forum when all these nonsense threads start, i have my favourite players, but to me the Game is above any fanatism, i Will always give credit to any player when its deserved, but here the trend is to put players down so other player looks better, theres no need for that! Every player has their own good and bad things, but so many people got so angry when Carlos started to blast everyone off the court at 18 years old playing and all court Game, can you call yourself a tennis fan if you dont enjoy what he has brought? They Talk about the hype, the hype, the hype, what hype man? Switch off the freaking news and watch the tennis!, maybe like that you can get to have your own opinion, Jesus i cant stand that

 

[Vincent-C]

tiny didn't blast people off the court for long (hiya, Zverev!)

 

[TheSlicer]

tiny didn't blast people off the court for long (hiya, Zverev!)

Your mind is tinier man, so tiny you dont even realize it

 

[Midaso240]

Still got to go with the guy who already has 2 of them including the prized Wimbledon trophy, something that is usually reserved for greats of the sport. Sure, there is the odd Michael Stich or Pat Cash, who are well regarded but are not greats of the sport but far fewer at Wimbledon than anywhere else

 

[Vincent-C]

Your mind is tinier man, so tiny you dont even realize it

I see you had to go ad hominem. A pity.

 

[TheSlicer]

I see you had to go ad hominem. A pity.

I Guess the energy you give is the energy you get, thats all i can say

 

[FeroBango]

I just feel a lot of posters dont really have much idea about tennis, and the ones that do, probably leave the forum when all these nonsense threads start, i have my favourite players, but to me the Game is above any fanatism, i Will always give credit to any player when its deserved, but here the trend is to put players down so other player looks better, theres no need for that! Every player has their own good and bad things, but so many people got so angry when Carlos started to blast everyone off the court at 18 years old playing and all court Game, can you call yourself a tennis fan if you dont enjoy what he has brought? They Talk about the hype, the hype, the hype, what hype man? Switch off the freaking news and watch the tennis!, maybe like that you can get to have your own opinion, Jesus i cant stand that

Can't really take some of these guys seriously when they rant about hYpE yet proceed to hype Sinner over Alcaraz in the same breath.

Reactionary buffoons.

 

[FeroBango]

I'm personally not a fan of media in general. So if you're letting hits on social media affect your perception of the proceedings on the tennis court, you're not quite the astute kind to say the least.

Watch the game. Watch out for your own double standards. Be decent.

 

[Eureka]

I don't know or care who will win more slams.

Carlos is an outstanding young player and has already delivered more than could reasonably be expected of him at his age. He is rightly considered a phenomenal talent of our sport. There is every reason to suppose that he will continue to excel in his career, all else being equal. He seems a sweet guy, and is liked by his peers on the tour. He has a good team and continues to evolve his game, having established success on all surfaces.

Jannik is a superb talent, who is realising his potential and will most likely also achieve great things in his career, all else being equal. He seems like a pleasant chap who impresses me with his calm demeanour and increasing serenity on court when he plays, which I believe enhances his ability to deploy a strategic / incisive game. He has a really good team - I like seeing Cahill out scouting his opponent's matches.

What a prospect for the future of the sport these players are. Given their young ages, we tennis fans stand to be the beneficiaries of their respective talents for some time to come. I anticipate that they will share the spoils on tour not just between them, but also with others that are also coming up/will come up. That bodes well for the sport.

If mentioning Carlos / Jannik and slams, the former has 2 slams already and the latter none. The Wimbledon win by Carlos has been acknowledged by many pundits as one of the best Wimbledon finals ever. He played an in-form Novak who was generally unbeatable in much of 2023. The calibre of success already enjoyed by Carlos is top tier, and Jannik has yet to match it. That is simply a fact. Can Jannik match it? Given his considerable skills, yes. Will he do so-who knows? Nor is it possible to know what else Carlos will achieve.

However, I have no problem though in hazarding a guess and say that Carlos is likely to achieve greater success in GS title wins. I base this guess on an extremely scientific premise - my soft spot for the boy.

 

[Eureka]

Carlos. He is naturally the most gifted, although he has a lot to learn yet.

It's noteworthy that the variety / creativity of Carlos' game at such a young age is often the subject of discussion by the comms. McEnroe, for example often speaks of just how incredible his skill set / execution is. The learning curve demands an ability to evolve and adapt and Carlos epitomised this ability during the grass court season in 2023, winning both Queens and Wimbledon, when his grass court credentials had hitherto been negligible.

Carlos has already proven himself, and there is every reason to suppose he will continue to do so. Jannik has taken longer to negotiate the learning curve, but has found his momentum, and is accelerating towards his goals.

 

[brinkeguthrie]

the real winner here is Nike.

 

[Vincent-C]

the real winner here is Nike.

Well, we do all live under Corporatism now.. well noted, though.

 

[FeroBango]

I don't know or care who will win more slams.

Carlos is an outstanding young player and has already delivered more than could reasonably be expected of him at his age. He is rightly considered a phenomenal talent of our sport. There is every reason to suppose that he will continue to excel in his career, all else being equal. He seems a sweet guy, and is liked by his peers on the tour. He has a good team and continues to evolve his game, having established success on all surfaces.

Jannik is a superb talent, who is realising his potential and will most likely also achieve great things in his career, all else being equal. He seems like a pleasant chap who impresses me with his calm demeanour and increasing serenity on court when he plays, which I believe enhances his ability to deploy a strategic / incisive game. He has a really good team - I like seeing Cahill out scouting his opponent's matches.

What a prospect for the future of the sport these players are. Given their young ages, we tennis fans stand to be the beneficiaries of their respective talents for some time to come. I anticipate that they will share the spoils on tour not just between them, but also with others that are also coming up/will come up. That bodes well for the sport.

If mentioning Carlos / Jannik and slams, the former has 2 slams already and the latter none. The Wimbledon win by Carlos has been acknowledged by many pundits as one of the best Wimbledon finals ever. He played an in-form Novak who was generally unbeatable in much of 2023. The calibre of success already enjoyed by Carlos is top tier, and Jannik has yet to match it. That is simply a fact. Can Jannik match it? Given his considerable skills, yes. Will he do so-who knows? Nor is it possible to know what else Carlos will achieve.

However, I have no problem though in hazarding a guess and say that Carlos is likely to achieve greater success in GS title wins. I base this guess on an extremely scientific premise - my soft spot for the boy.

Eloquently put. There's little else to discuss in this thread now.

 

[Rattie]

I don't know or care who will win more slams.

Carlos is an outstanding young player and has already delivered more than could reasonably be expected of him at his age. He is rightly considered a phenomenal talent of our sport. There is every reason to suppose that he will continue to excel in his career, all else being equal. He seems a sweet guy, and is liked by his peers on the tour. He has a good team and continues to evolve his game, having established success on all surfaces.

Jannik is a superb talent, who is realising his potential and will most likely also achieve great things in his career, all else being equal. He seems like a pleasant chap who impresses me with his calm demeanour and increasing serenity on court when he plays, which I believe enhances his ability to deploy a strategic / incisive game. He has a really good team - I like seeing Cahill out scouting his opponent's matches.

What a prospect for the future of the sport these players are. Given their young ages, we tennis fans stand to be the beneficiaries of their respective talents for some time to come. I anticipate that they will share the spoils on tour not just between them, but also with others that are also coming up/will come up. That bodes well for the sport.

If mentioning Carlos / Jannik and slams, the former has 2 slams already and the latter none. The Wimbledon win by Carlos has been acknowledged by many pundits as one of the best Wimbledon finals ever. He played an in-form Novak who was generally unbeatable in much of 2023. The calibre of success already enjoyed by Carlos is top tier, and Jannik has yet to match it. That is simply a fact. Can Jannik match it? Given his considerable skills, yes. Will he do so-who knows? Nor is it possible to know what else Carlos will achieve.

However, I have no problem though in hazarding a guess and say that Carlos is likely to achieve greater success in GS title wins. I base this guess on an extremely scientific premise - my soft spot for the boy.

Great post!
I agree with every word, especially the last line

 

[Vamos Carlos Alcaraz]

Carlos will win more and it will be by a wide margin. Sinner will win a few.