Who will win more slams now. Sinner or Alcaraz?

Who will win more slams- Sinner or Alcaraz?

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Eureka said:
I don't know or care who will win more slams.

Carlos is an outstanding young player and has already delivered more than could reasonably be expected of him at his age. He is rightly considered a phenomenal talent of our sport. There is every reason to suppose that he will continue to excel in his career, all else being equal. He seems a sweet guy, and is liked by his peers on the tour. He has a good team and continues to evolve his game, having established success on all surfaces.

Jannik is a superb talent, who is realising his potential and will most likely also achieve great things in his career, all else being equal. He seems like a pleasant chap who impresses me with his calm demeanour and increasing serenity on court when he plays, which I believe enhances his ability to deploy a strategic / incisive game. He has a really good team - I like seeing Cahill out scouting his opponent's matches.

What a prospect for the future of the sport these players are. Given their young ages, we tennis fans stand to be the beneficiaries of their respective talents for some time to come. I anticipate that they will share the spoils on tour not just between them, but also with others that are also coming up/will come up. That bodes well for the sport.

If mentioning Carlos / Jannik and slams, the former has 2 slams already and the latter none. The Wimbledon win by Carlos has been acknowledged by many pundits as one of the best Wimbledon finals ever. He played an in-form Novak who was generally unbeatable in much of 2023. The calibre of success already enjoyed by Carlos is top tier, and Jannik has yet to match it. That is simply a fact. Can Jannik match it? Given his considerable skills, yes. Will he do so-who knows? Nor is it possible to know what else Carlos will achieve.

However, I have no problem though in hazarding a guess and say that Carlos is likely to achieve greater success in GS title wins. I base this guess on an extremely scientific premise - my soft spot for the boy. :)
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You wouldn't be a friendly, older English chorister, would you?
 
I said Sinner before then Carlos won 2 and Sinner was struggling with injuries. I think Sinner has matchup advantage but feel Carlos still will pick up more due to sinner being more unfit or random loss
 
nolefam_2024 said:
It's rarely stupid to think this.


You are trying to argue that height makes zero difference.

The real next gen was Medvedev Tsitsipas Zverev and Thiem. Outside of Thiem, every single one was 6'5" or taller. I think Tsitsipas is 6'5".
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Alcaraz has more slams already than everyone you just listed and he's shorter and younger. What's your point about height again? :-D

Also, after reading all these posts about height being proportional to greatness I'm starting to think that Reilly Opelka is now the GOAT...
 
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travlerajm said:
He was obviously towering over Jim Courier after the match. 2-3” taller
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Courier was listed as 6'1 in his playing days, he was closer to 5'11-6'0. He's also 54 years old now and probably half inch shorter than when he was younger.

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NeutralFan said:
I feel Sinner will be unstoppable in his prime. With his improved movement and hopefully improved serve he's set to dominate. Carlos needs to come up with something new to challenge him @dking68 son
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Carlos can’t really improve much from his current level

He’s pretty much maxed out his serve with that height. The only thing he can work on is the placement

His backhand is horrible. Sinner, Medvedev, Zverev, Rune and Djokovic have better backhands

His mentality is unelite. He couldn’t handle the pressure Big Z was giving him in the QF and he didn’t have Coach Ferrero to help him

His game style is very injury prone. I don’t know if he’ll be playing tennis at age 30.
 
dking68 said:
Carlos can’t really improve much from his current level

He’s pretty much maxed out his serve with that height. The only thing he can work on is the placement

His backhand is horrible. Sinner, Medvedev, Zverev, Rune and Djokovic have better backhands

His mentality is unelite. He couldn’t handle the pressure Big Z was giving him in the QF and he didn’t have Coach Ferrero to help him

His game style is very injury prone. I don’t know if he’ll be playing tennis at age 30.
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I hope Sinner breaks every record in tennis.
 
Carlos will win more if he makes a radical change in his team getting rid of JCF
Sinner If Carlos doesn't get rid of JFC.

Sinner's great decision to move on from Piatti to Cahill was made at the right time. Piatti was excelent to create Sinner. But it's Darren who is making him go to the next stage.

JFC did his job to discover Carlitos. Now he needs a coach that kicks his ass, not a papa and mama as Ferrero.
 
More of this Carlos caN't iMproVe buT my bOy siNner can nonsense (proceeds to list out things that Alcaraz is "horrible" at which implies an area or two for him to work on, while talking about mentality putting him against a 22 yo who was taken out by Altmeir not too long ago).

There's so much funny nonsense here. Sinner was getting kicked in the nuts in five setters including against Z in just the last slam but no he has the better mentality between himself and Alcaraz. Not only that but Alcaraz who defeated an actually good Djokovic in the centre court is also said to be unEliTe.

To anyone with two functional eyes, it is clear that there are several things Alcaraz can and most likely will improve upon, just as there were for Sinner when he was the age of Alcaraz (but I forget that Sinner picked up the racquet only as a hobby at 21 ig).

But yeah it's Sinner circlejerk time now ig. Can't stop this momentum here.
 
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Picked Sinner when this was asked in 22. Sticking to it.

Seeing things play out now if I had to pick numbers I'd say Sinner wins 5 and Alcaraz 4.
 
dking68 said:
Carlos can’t really improve much from his current level

He’s pretty much maxed out his serve with that height. The only thing he can work on is the placement

His backhand is horrible. Sinner, Medvedev, Zverev, Rune and Djokovic have better backhands

His mentality is unelite. He couldn’t handle the pressure Big Z was giving him in the QF and he didn’t have Coach Ferrero to help him

His game style is very injury prone. I don’t know if he’ll be playing tennis at age 30.
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Lol i just Hope you dont believe your own words
 
Alcawrath said:
Alcaraz has more slams already than everyone you just listed and he's shorter and younger. What's your point about height again? :-D

Also, after reading all these posts about height being proportional to greatness I'm starting to think that Reilly Opelka is now the GOAT...
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That gen is not better than Alcaraz. But 3 of them serve better than Alcaraz.

So even crap gen is GETTING wins over him. Why should I care if he won 2 already. The point is he has a weakness in this era of giants. He won 2 but most don't want him single digit slams.
 
dont really care, just wanna see more tight bo5 matches as I cant ask for better than that RG final.

That is the first final that challenges the Fedotro, Fedal and Nadovic finals at wimby and AO respectively.
These things are rare.
 
Smart money still on Alcaraz at this stage I think, 2 more slams despite being 2 years younger. Very early days though, we don't really know for sure how they will match up across the 4 slams
 
DariaGT said:
dont really care, just wanna see more tight bo5 matches as I cant ask for better than that RG final.

That is the first final that challenges the Fedotro, Fedal and Nadovic finals at wimby and AO respectively.
These things are rare.
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Not really, I finally got around to watching sets 4-5 and just the shot making and tempo is nowhere near on par. It's why that Gaudio-Coria match in terms of quality is overrated. Remember Thiem-Zverev USO? Mind you still haven't watched that and probably never will but similar scoreline.
abmk said:
People also need to remember Alcaraz is close to 2 years younger than Sinner.
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This means squat. For every Borg, Nadal, there were twice as many Changs, Delpos, Kuertens, Krajiceks, Roddicks etc.

Then you have Becker, Edberg, Wilander who are absolutely ATGs but not at that upper tier. Given modern metrics their 6/7 Slams is closer to 10 so Carlos has some way to go.
 
BGod said:
This means squat. For every Borg, Nadal, there were twice as many Changs, Delpos, Kuertens, Krajiceks, Roddicks etc.

Then you have Becker, Edberg, Wilander who are absolutely ATGs but not at that upper tier. Given modern metrics their 6/7 Slams is closer to 10 so Carlos has some way to go.
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its not anything definitive, but it is a factor as of now. can't completely ignore it.
 
abmk said:
its not anything definitive, but it is a factor as of now. can't completely ignore it.
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And I'm waiting for that break in the line. Tennis until the modern homogenization was a much shorter window and that's why only Borg and Sampras elevated above.

New age Big 3 domination completely changed how we now count Slams. Hell I even take Courier doing his thing over Alcaraz at this moment. Sinner could go and win 7 Slams in his early 30s for all we know.
 
BGod said:
And I'm waiting for that break in the line. Tennis until the modern homogenization was a much shorter window and that's why only Borg and Sampras elevated above.

New age Big 3 domination completely changed how we now count Slams. Hell I even take Courier doing his thing over Alcaraz at this moment. Sinner could go and win 7 Slams in his early 30s for all we know.
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well yeah, Courier and Murray are greater than Alcaraz as of now, IMO.
 
I think Sinner's style of play gives him a much larger window and easier deep runs. It doesn't mean he's better, it's tennis. Unless they slow down courts his serve is a type of trump card for most matches. It's not at Karlovic or Anderson level but then those guys mobility was club level.
 
I think it will be fairly close whichever one winds up with more. Would be amazed if either wind up with less than 10 (could be a lot more, but I think that is the minimum for both).
 
Interesting debate.
Sinner would already be ahead right now if he hadn't choked those match points in RG. I suspect it's just a matter of time until Sinner overtakes him in the Slam race. He's only 1 behind now and will be massive favorite for AO and USO. Unless Alcaraz majorly improves on HC, he isn't even 2nd favorite on AA and RLA. I put Djokovic (and maybe even Zverev and Draper) ahead of him on HC. AO and USO courts are faster than in his backyard (IW) so I'll be surprised if he beats Sinner there. Unlike many here, I still think Djokovic can win the 25th Slam but that's another story. I think Alcaraz will eventually win the AO and 1 or 2 more USO but most of his Grand Slams will be in Roland and Wimbledon. Sinner on the other hand, is 3 levels ahead on HC and is just as good if not better on grass and clay. If anyone can threaten the record (24) it's clearly Sinner for me. Barring injuries he will easily reach 10, then 15 and potentially more. If he has good longevity and is still able to win Slams after 30 and if there aren't other players to stop him, he will get 20, 25 and possibly even more than 25. Right now I'm not even sure Alcaraz will get 10. He lost fair and square in Wimbledon. He is very beatable on HC/BO5. He's also much more injury prone than Sinner unfortunately. He will have to feast in RG in the next 5 years if he wants to near 15 Slams. And as shown this year and in OG last year, he's far from unbeatable on the PH. He was almost taken to 5 sets by freaking Dzumhur. It's also quite miraculous he wasn't taken to 5 by Shelton (3-6 in the 1st set tie-break). He would've probably gone down 0-2 against Musetti if the Italian wasn't injured. It's foolish to think he's a lock in RG in the next few years.
 
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Carlos Alcaraz easily because his game is made for hardcourts, so he'll end up taking away Sinner's best surface.
Alcaraz is already 5-2 vs. Sinner on hardcourts and will beat Sinner at the 2025 US Open should they meet.
 
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ALCARAZWON said:
Carlos Alcaraz easily because his game is made for hardcourts, so he'll end up taking away Sinner's best surface.
Alcaraz is already 5-2 vs. Sinner on hardcourts and will beat Sinner at the 2025 US Open should they meet.
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...yet Alcaraz lost at the 2025 Australian Open to the closer-to-retirement-than-not Djokovic. Yes, I'm sure you will not present any rational explanation for that.
 
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Tennisfan339 said:
I suspect it's just a matter of time until Sinner overtakes him in the Slam race. He's only 1 behind now and will be massive favorite for AO and USO. Unless Alcaraz majorly improves on HC, he isn't even 2nd favorite on AA and RLA. I put Djokovic (and maybe even Zverev and Draper) ahead of him on HC. AO and USO courts are faster than in his backyard (IW) so I'll be surprised if he beats Sinner there. Unlike many here, I still think Djokovic can win the 25th Slam but that's another story. I think Alcaraz will eventually win the AO and 1 or 2 more USO but most of his Grand Slams will be in Roland and Wimbledon. Sinner on the other hand, is 3 levels ahead on HC and is just as good if not better on grass and clay. If anyone can threaten the record (24) it's clearly Sinner for me. Barring injuries he will easily reach 10, then 15 and potentially more. If he has good longevity and is still able to win Slams after 30 and if there aren't other players to stop him, he will get 20, 25 and possibly even more than 25. Right now I'm not even sure Alcaraz will get 10. He lost fair and square in Wimbledon. He is very beatable on HC/BO5. He's also much more injury prone than Sinner unfortunately. He will have to feast in RG in the next 5 years if he wants to near 15 Slams. And as shown this year and in OG last year, he's far from unbeatable on the PH. He was almost taken to 5 sets by freaking Dzumhur. It's also quite miraculous he wasn't taken to 5 by Shelton (3-6 in the 1st set tie-break). He would've probably gone down 0-2 against Musetti if the Italian wasn't injured. It's foolish to think he's a lock in RG in the next few years.
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Can’t get how you got to think like this just a couple months ago when h2h was just 8-5 overall, 5-2 on HC in favor of Charlie (10-5 / 7-2 after last month), with the most recent examples til date being 24’ IW SF and Beijing F no less.

“Not getting to 10GS” especially.

Hope you stop underestimating Carlitos on HC from now on just as some of us do with Sinner on natural.
 
THUNDERVOLLEY said:
...yet Alcaraz lost at the 2025 Australian Open to the closer-to-retirement-than-not Djokovic. Yes, I'm sure you will not present any rational explanation for that.
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At 2025 AO, Alcaraz won the 1st Set, and then in the 2nd Set Djokovic was too injured to play normally (his hip hurt every time he played a backhand) so Djokovic attacked Alcaraz's 2nd Serve viciously to end the points quickly.

Alcaraz wasn't ready for this, and wasn't serving well enough to counter it, plus he was generally playing passively because he thought just keeping the ball in play would be enough to beat the injured opponent (and this was true in the 1st Set).

Alcaraz is not known for being in-form at the start of the year anyway... so wasn't equipped to deal with the huge ball-bashing of Djokovic.
But, even though Alcaraz lost, he broke Djokovic's body and we saw in the next round Djokovic retired after just ONE set vs. Zverev.

So the AO was a unique match, totally irrelevant to the version of Alcaraz who dominated the Clay, won Queens and almost won Wimbledon again.
 
THUNDERVOLLEY said:
Still no explanation for Alcaraz losing to closer-to-retirement-than-not Djokovic at the 2025 Australian Open. That defeat is not erased from Alcaraz's 2025 results.
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The explanation is that Raz had just changed technique on both serve and backhand, so both shots were not working well for him.

In the long run it worked out well, last few months he's been better than ever.
 
dking68 said:
Carlos can’t really improve much from his current level

He’s pretty much maxed out his serve with that height. The only thing he can work on is the placement

His backhand is horrible. Sinner, Medvedev, Zverev, Rune and Djokovic have better backhands

His mentality is unelite. He couldn’t handle the pressure Big Z was giving him in the QF and he didn’t have Coach Ferrero to help him

His game style is very injury prone. I don’t know if he’ll be playing tennis at age 30.
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"His mentality is unelite"...at the time of this comment, Carlos had already won the USO, Wimbledon, Miami, IW, Madrid 2x, and finished 2022 as the year end #1. Y'all really get on here and just say random stuff LOL
albertobra said:
Carlos will win more if he makes a radical change in his team getting rid of JCF
Sinner If Carlos doesn't get rid of JFC.

Sinner's great decision to move on from Piatti to Cahill was made at the right time. Piatti was excelent to create Sinner. But it's Darren who is making him go to the next stage.

JFC did his job to discover Carlitos. Now he needs a coach that kicks his ass, not a papa and mama as Ferrero.
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Laughably hilarious
THUNDERVOLLEY said:
Still no explanation for Alcaraz losing to closer-to-retirement-than-not Djokovic at the 2025 Australian Open. That defeat is not erased from Alcaraz's 2025 results.
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None needed. Carlos punished Djoko in the SFs at the USO the other day. Where's the explanation for that??
 
MissileBackHand99 said:
"His mentality is unelite"...at the time of this comment, Carlos had already won the USO, Wimbledon, Miami, IW, Madrid 2x, and finished 2022 as the year end #1. Y'all really get on here and just say random stuff LOL

Laughably hilarious

None needed. Carlos punished Djoko in the SFs at the USO the other day. Where's the explanation for that??
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Dummyking68 always writes the lamest stuff.
 
THUNDERVOLLEY said:
Still no explanation for Alcaraz losing to closer-to-retirement-than-not Djokovic at the 2025 Australian Open. That defeat is not erased from Alcaraz's 2025 results.
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When you are a 22-year-old tennis player, you have gaps in your experience and in your education. You don't always respond well to an injured opponent, and especially an opponent who has 20 years of professional experience.
This is why most 22-year-olds haven't won many slam titles, and Djokovic is an excellent example of that, and so was Federer.
But even the prodigies, despite their flashy stats and achievements, are liable to being outfoxed on occasion.
Even the fox himself took 20 years to learn how to win the Olympics, while losing to Nadal (2008), Murray (2012), Del Potro (2012), Del Potro again (2016), Zverev (2021) and Carreno Busta (2021).
 
Dane_is_Finnish_OJ said:
Who cares about that? Djokovic is still a good player and won that match. All players lose sometimes.
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Who cares? The Alcaraz fanboys (some are TTW members) who first predicted he would defeat Djokovic in that AO match, then made a truckload of excuses when he lost. That's not accepting the possibility of loss and underestimating Djokovic (much like they first predicted a victory for Alcaraz over Djokovic at the Olympics--until that went up in smoke, and then rolled in the excuses). That is what happens when some are drowning in a pool of ridiculous praise for everything Alcaraz, and when he loses, instead of accepting that others have and will have his number in matches, they make excuses or attempt to erase history.
 
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