Who Will Win the 2014 Year End #1 ?

Who Will Win the 2014 Year End #1 ?


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The race is between Nole and Federer. If Federer wins Basel, he will be 490 points behind Nole. They both will play the final two events(Paris, WTF) which combined a total of 2,500 points. Both players want the YE #1 badly, and currently the two best players on indoor.

Keep in mind Federer has Davis Cup finals which he can gain as much as 225 points.
 
If there is any justice left in this world, Djokovic.

No one has won it yet, so what justice are you talking about?:confused:

Frankly, I think Nole has a better chance since he's still be leading when Paris gets started.
 
If Djokovic plays like the crap he's been after Wimby, 1760pts Djokovic vs. 3620/3820pts Federer, there's no doubt who'll be the undisputed YE#1.
 
This year must be very good business for the WTF and Paris - with all the competition for #1, and for spaces in the top 8 (now 9).

I feel like it's 60/40 in Djokovic's favour right now.
 
Even if Fed does not get YE #1, I will be very happy if Fed gets the No.1 ranking for 2 weeks after Paris.

No talking of weak era nonsense when Fed not only got to No.1 at age 31 , but again at age 33.

It would be Fed at No.1 in 2004 and No. 1 in 2014. Epic !
 
Hard to say. Djokovic's mind and game may be elsewhere, while Federer's new wrinkle of S&V makes him an even more dangerous player on the indoor circuit.

I'm hoping Fed wins Paris so that WTF has the same significance it did in 2000.
 
Hopefully Federer but you never know how players like Djokovic, Cilic, Nishikori and Murray are going to perform. It could be quite open and competitive and we could have some surprise matches just like in the WTA Finals this year with Wozniacki and Radwanska beating the favorites Sharapova and Kvitova.
 
I can't believe we are even having those discussions. Who would have thought this after 2013? I remember people laughing when someone tried to say Fed can be nr.1 after 2013. And yet he is pretty close now. It's amazing.
 
Hopefully Djokovic since as much as I cant stand Novak, I always hate slamless #1s. The mens hasn't had one in a long time, and the last thing I would like to see is a joke trend like the womens game had a few years back (slamless #1s) starting. When it happens once, it tends to start happening in bunches as in the womens game when we saw slamless #1's Hingis and Clijsters who were atleast highly respected (and in Hingis's case, like Federer a many time slam winner already, just not while holding the ranking), and they were followed by Jankovic, Safina, and Wozniacki, the all time dark age of the #1 ranking in the WTA. Kind of like a really bad virus that goes around and gets worse with time.

Then again it probably would be some karma for Djokovic and his comical ITF Player of Year award last year. Even if it isn't a big deal, it was still such a joke, that it would be almost fitting karma.
 
Fed in my view since he has lot of experience handling critical situations while Djokovic have big problems handling pressure since he has lost RG semifinals. I would not get surprised if Djokovic gets knocked out early in Paris by lower player but can't underestimate him, might come back strong winning Paris- WTF double

Better player will win YE# 1 trophy ultimately.
 
If there is any justice left in this world, Djokovic.


Don't get your knickers in a twist and have some faith in your God.

If Djokovic wins Paris and WTF there is not a lot Federer can do about it.
 
Hopefully Djokovic since as much as I cant stand Novak, I always hate slamless #1s. The mens hasn't had one in a long time, and the last thing I would like to see is a joke trend like the womens game had a few years back (slamless #1s) starting. When it happens once, it tends to start happening in bunches as in the womens game when we saw slamless #1's Hingis and Clijsters who were atleast highly respected (and in Hingis's case, like Federer a many time slam winner already, just not while holding the ranking), and they were followed by Jankovic, Safina, and Wozniacki, the all time dark age of the #1 ranking in the WTA. Kind of like a really bad virus that goes around and gets worse with time.

Then again it probably would be some karma for Djokovic and his comical ITF Player of Year award last year. Even if it isn't a big deal, it was still such a joke, that it would be almost fitting karma.


In the woman's game it happens because there is a more generous point system for the runner up in the slams. So you are not quite comparing like for like and I would suspect it would be a one off and not the start of a trend.
 
Hopefully Djokovic since as much as I cant stand Novak, I always hate slamless #1s. The mens hasn't had one in a long time, and the last thing I would like to see is a joke trend like the womens game had a few years back (slamless #1s) starting. When it happens once, it tends to start happening in bunches as in the womens game when we saw slamless #1's Hingis and Clijsters who were atleast highly respected (and in Hingis's case, like Federer a many time slam winner already, just not while holding the ranking), and they were followed by Jankovic, Safina, and Wozniacki, the all time dark age of the #1 ranking in the WTA. Kind of like a really bad virus that goes around and gets worse with time.

Then again it probably would be some karma for Djokovic and his comical ITF Player of Year award last year. Even if it isn't a big deal, it was still such a joke, that it would be almost fitting karma.

But ITF situation was totally different. Djokovic won a slam and made 3 finals. Fed has 0 slams and 1 final. Djokovic also won WTF. And Rafa that year didn't do anything in half of slams.
 
In the woman's game it happens because there is a more generous point system for the runner up in the slams. So you are not quite comparing like for like and I would suspect it would be a one off and not the start of a trend.

Who knows. I do remember Rios, Kafelnikov, Rafter, and Moya all reaching #1 in a relatively close time span. I believe 2 of those held a slam when they did and 2 didn't, but they were all pretty weak #1s given their performance at the time, so it still felt like a slamless #1 type trend.

I am never a fan of a slamless #1 in either the mens or womens game, no matter who it is. I am a big Serena fan and if she had lost her U.S Open title and stayed #1 it would have been an epic joke. Heck with the WTA points she could have lost in the U.S Open 4th round which would have given her 0 slam quarters this year, and still stayed at #1 after the U.S Open. Which just shows what a joke the ranking system today is. ATP one not as bad as the WTA one atleast I believe, but still flawed.
 
But ITF situation was totally different. Djokovic won a slam and made 3 finals. Fed has 0 slams and 1 final. Djokovic also won WTF. And Rafa that year didn't do anything in half of slams.

Naw ITF award was a total joke no matter how you spin it. Nadal with more slams, more Masters, more tournament titles, and ends the year comfortably #1 in actuality in the points, and Djokovic winning anyones Player of Year is a huge ROTFL! While the ITF award is not a big deal and only like the 7th biggest one there is, it still was such a farce that even a single faction would do this, that Djokovic losing the #1 ranking (something that really matters) and probably a slew of the actually important POY awards would be fitting karma for his joke ITF POY last year and be worth a good laugh.
 
Why do you care who gets it? It's weak era anyway, so who cares who is nr.1 right?

I don't really.. Its a farce with Nadal out since we know a healthy Nadal would be far and away the #1 player this year with the way Nole has been playing, and Fed's issue with him
 
I don't really.. Its a farce with Nadal out since we know a healthy Nadal would be far and away the #1 player this year with the way Nole has been playing, and Fed's issue with him

Lets face it tennis is a farce without peak Federer.
 
Naw ITF award was a total joke no matter how you spin it. Nadal with more slams, more Masters, more tournament titles, and ends the year comfortably #1 in actuality in the points, and Djokovic winning anyones Player of Year is a huge ROTFL! While the ITF award is not a big deal and only like the 7th biggest one there is, it still was such a farce that even a single faction would do this, that Djokovic losing the #1 ranking (something that really matters) and probably a slew of the actually important POY awards would be fitting karma for his joke ITF POY last year and be worth a good laugh.

Djokovic was far more consistent than Nadal in the Slams last year which is what the ITF rightfully awarded him for. Not sure what you find so "ROTFL" about that.
 
Well, Nole has good chances as he leads, but his mind may be on other things, and Federer has some momentum going forward, so it wouldn't be a complete shock if he manages to pull this off. It would be an awesome feat though, to be sure!

And to those claiming that Federer wouldn't deserve it if he were to become the YE #1: All the players compete within a framework of rules that is the same for everyone, and if Federer were to do the best within this framework, then he would also be the just and right #1. Same goes for everyone else.
 
Djokovic was far more consistent than Nadal in the Slams last year which is what the ITF rightfully awarded him for. Not sure what you find so "ROTFL" about that.

This is true. Pretty sure the ITF just counts the points from it's own events, and awards the #1 thereafter.
 
Well, Nole has good chances as he leads, but his mind may be on other things, and Federer has some momentum going forward, so it wouldn't be a complete shock if he manages to pull this off. It would be an awesome feat though, to be sure!

And to those claiming that Federer wouldn't deserve it if he were to become the YE #1: All the players compete within a framework of rules that is the same for everyone, and if Federer were to do the best within this framework, then he would also be the just and right #1. Same goes for everyone else.

The absurdity and ignorance of some the arguments put forward is frightening to rational minds. I now sort of understand how Hitler came to power.

If you win a slam you get the glory of winning a slam. If you have the most points at YE you get the YEC prize.

Unless the points were neck and neck how you can infer that winning a slam makes you more entitled to YE no 1 ranking is completely lost on me.
 
Djokovic was far more consistent than Nadal in the Slams last year which is what the ITF rightfully awarded him for. Not sure what you find so "ROTFL" about that.

Since anytime a player wins more slams, more Masters, more tournaments, and ends the year #1 comfortably in points, and any faction (even an unimportant award like the ITF) awards their Player of Year to someone else it is worth a huge ROTFL! The only time I saw a choice for Player of the Year from any faction, large or small, that horrible, was the WTA awarding Wade POY in 77 over Evert. Although in that case it was a far more prestigious award, which made it even worse. I am sure in both cases some massive behind scene politics was at play.

I am not surprised someone named Djokovic2011 would disagree with me. I am sure if your name was Nadal2010 you would be in total agreement with me. In fact I am sure if you are anyone besides someone with Djokovic in your username you would be in total agreement with me. I notice you are from Britian, so will probably try and defend the WTA Player of Year in 77 going to Wade over Evert which was an even bigger joke (and a far bigger crime as in this case it was actually a substantial award, not a dinky one like ITF).
 
Since anytime a player wins more slams, more Masters, more tournaments, and ends the year #1 comfortably in points, and any faction (even an unimportant award like the ITF) awards their Player of Year to someone else it is worth a huge ROTFL! The only time I saw a choice for Player of the Year from any faction, large or small, that horrible, was the WTA awarding Wade POY in 77 over Evert. Although in that case it was a far more prestigious award, which made it even worse. I am sure in both cases some massive behind scene politics was at play.

I am not surprised someone named Djokovic2011 would disagree with me. I am sure if your name was Nadal2010 you would be in total agreement with me. In fact I am sure if you are anyone besides someone with Djokovic in your username you would be in total agreement with me. I notice you are from Britian, so will probably try and defend the WTA Player of Year in 77 going to Wade over Evert which was an even bigger joke (and a far bigger crime as in this case it was actually a substantial award, not a dinky one like ITF).

Novak earned over 1,000 points more than Nadal at the Slams last year, it has absolutely nothing to do with my username or where I come from. And lol@ assuming I have this opinion because of Wade's YE#1 which I wasn't even aware of anyway. But thanks for informing me of that - you really do learn something every day! :smile:
 
The absurdity and ignorance of some the arguments put forward is frightening to rational minds. I now sort of understand how Hitler came to power.

If you win a slam you get the glory of winning a slam. If you have the most points at YE you get the YEC prize.

Unless the points were neck and neck how you can infer that winning a slam makes you more entitled to YE no 1 ranking is completely lost on me.

Yeah, pretty much this.
 
Hopefully Djokovic since as much as I cant stand Novak, I always hate slamless #1s. The mens hasn't had one in a long time, and the last thing I would like to see is a joke trend like the womens game had a few years back (slamless #1s) starting. When it happens once, it tends to start happening in bunches as in the womens game when we saw slamless #1's Hingis and Clijsters who were atleast highly respected (and in Hingis's case, like Federer a many time slam winner already, just not while holding the ranking), and they were followed by Jankovic, Safina, and Wozniacki, the all time dark age of the #1 ranking in the WTA. Kind of like a really bad virus that goes around and gets worse with time.

Then again it probably would be some karma for Djokovic and his comical ITF Player of Year award last year. Even if it isn't a big deal, it was still such a joke, that it would be almost fitting karma.

Wait, so it's Federer's fault that the Slam winners were highly inconsistent, with Wawrinka winning AO and MC and then hardly anything, Cilic literally only playing very well at the USO, Nadal playing only the first half of the season (again) and Djokovic playing crap in half of the season? The point system of the ATP is quite fair and it is the Slam winners' fault that they don't have more points.
 
Now 490 points behind Nole. If Federer managed to surpassed Nole in the race after Paris, I'm leaning toward Federer winning the YE #1. Right now, I still say Nole, but a close one.
 
Hopefully Djokovic since as much as I cant stand Novak, I always hate slamless #1s. The mens hasn't had one in a long time, and the last thing I would like to see is a joke trend like the womens game had a few years back (slamless #1s) starting. When it happens once, it tends to start happening in bunches as in the womens game when we saw slamless #1's Hingis and Clijsters who were atleast highly respected (and in Hingis's case, like Federer a many time slam winner already, just not while holding the ranking), and they were followed by Jankovic, Safina, and Wozniacki, the all time dark age of the #1 ranking in the WTA. Kind of like a really bad virus that goes around and gets worse with time.

Then again it probably would be some karma for Djokovic and his comical ITF Player of Year award last year. Even if it isn't a big deal, it was still such a joke, that it would be almost fitting karma.

You know who was also a slamless Number 1??...yeah you guessed it right, Petros :). If you add the fact that Rios was also a slamless number 1, that is the reason why so many people call the 90`s a weak era :)
 
Wait, so it's Federer's fault that the Slam winners were highly inconsistent, with Wawrinka winning AO and MC and then hardly anything, Cilic literally only playing very well at the USO, Nadal playing only the first half of the season (again) and Djokovic playing crap in half of the season? The point system of the ATP is quite fair and it is the Slam winners' fault that they don't have more points.

I didn't say it was his fault. Of course it isn't. He is just doing his best and playing, like anyone else, and I don't blame him for setting the #1 ranking as a goal when it is within reach.

This also isn't bias against Federer on my part for a few of the oversensitive Federer fanboys. Since while I freely admit I am not a Federer fan, I immensely dislike Djokovic, and so of the two prefer Federer 100 times over.

I never approve a slamless #1, ever. Either in the mens or womens game. Personally I think there should be a rule in place that no player without a slam in the last 12 months should ever be allowed at #1. I am a Serena Williams fan but did you realize she would have still been ranked #1 after the U.S Open even if she lost in the round of 16. Do you know what that means? She could have had 0 slam quarterfinals (forget titles, quarterfinals) on her resume and been still ranked #1 at that point, although she might have lost it in the interim (not even sure on that, if all else remained the same). How preposterous is that, and a sign of the badly flawed rankings system of today. While I know the ATP differs somewhat from the WTA they still have many of the same ridiculous things- slams worth only double the points of a tier 1 or Masters (please), losing a final getting more than half the points of the winner (again nonsense), getting to throw out some poor results in smaller events, and so on. I make note of the womens game as I am a regular follower of the womens game and this has become a common epidemic in the womens game. Those of us who post on the womens tennis forum once regularly induldged in Wozniacki bashing for almost 2 years steady, so this is not a new phenomen just because it is Federer involved this time.

Furthermore I don't even see how Federer's year is significantly (or any) better than Djokovic's even outside of his failure to win a slam title vs Djokovic winning one. Perhaps someone could point out how it is, as I dont see it. Making the idea Federer could end ahead even more baffling and a sign of the poor ranking system. To put into perspective again an ATP 500 and ATP 250 combined is worth almost the same # of points as the gap between winning and losing a slam final (800 points). How f-ed up is that. That is exactly how Federer could even still be in contention with Djokovic, despite not winning a slam title while Djokovic did, and seemingly not having any better a year in any other meaningful way to compensate.

Although as I already said too if anyone would deserve that to happen to them it would be Djokovic after his bogus ITF POY award last year. Even if he would be getting screwed out of something 20 times more important (YE#1, probably ATP Player of Year, all the important Player of Year awards) than the menial ITF award, I still would find it fitting karma of sorts. Sometimes big punishments are fitting even more minor crimes, and they often keep such offenses from being repeated again. So that said despite that I would disagree with it, I wouldn't complain about it either, just because of who else is involved.
 
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You know who was also a slamless Number 1??...yeah you guessed it right, Petros :). If you add the fact that Rios was also a slamless number 1, that is the reason why so many people call the 90`s a weak era :)

Well they were undeserving #1s too at that time. I am not a Petros fan so I don't see how you think that would irk. Perhaps you don't remember tennis well at that time, but Tennis Magazine actually wrote an article ripping into Pete taking #1 from Courier (rightly so) while Pete didn't hold a slam and Courier held 2. I still feel bad for Courier being dealt that terrible and glaring rankings injustice, and wouldn't be surprised if it was a small part of what led to his loss of confidence and slam final defeats to Bruguera and Sampras later that summer, and subsequent freefall thereafter. Meanwhile if you don't know Rios was ridiculed non stop by announcers and writers during his brief stint at #1 (even while they praised his massive talent, and the quality of tennis he played in spring 98, and hoped he would win a slam to actually legitimize his #1 rank) I am sure you didn't follow tennis back then.

Like I said I never approve of a slamless #1. I would have called Serena an utter joke #1 had she not defended her U.S Open title, and she is my favorite player. Again she could have lost round of 16 at the U.S Open, had no slam QUARTERFINALS (not even not winning a slam title just like Federer, but had nothing better than round of 16 in a slam in the past 12 months post U.S Open) and still kept #1. Think about that for a moment, and get back to me. Bouchard would have had a way better slam year than Serena at that point, and been ranked 7th to Serena's #1. My Serena example should really slam the point home hard that the Slams (which have the same silly 200% only to Premier Mandatory/Masters ratio for both) should have atleast double the points relative to any other event they have now. And yes I know the ATP and WTA ranking systems are slightly different, and the WTA one is far worse (hello Woziacki during her long run at #1) but they still have a lot of similarities, and alot of bad ones too.
 
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Like I said I never approve of a slamless #1.

And who would need your approval? ;-)
I understand your point of view and partially agree with it, but also look at it differently:
Without winning a slam you have to win at least 2 tournaments to grab 2000 points! So in this case, Federer had to play a much more consistent year to actually come that close to Djokovic. He is the guy who won most matches this year (if I am not mistaken). In my book that counts for something too...much more than a Cilic who won they Open, but not much before or after.
 
He is the guy who won most matches this year (if I am not mistaken). In my book that counts for something too...much more than a Cilic who won they Open, but not much before or after.
Ah but Cilic got what it takes to beat an old champion. I suppose the others have to much 'respect' for that.

If any player deserves a great 2015 it is going to be Cilic!

celic-trophy.jpg


And of course let's not forget the other three great slam winners as well!

:grin:
 
To put into perspective again an ATP 500 and ATP 250 combined is worth almost the same # of points as the gap between winning and losing a slam final (800 points). How f-ed up is that. That is exactly how Federer could even still be in contention with Djokovic, despite not winning a slam title while Djokovic did, and seemingly not having any better a year in any other meaningful way to compensate.

.

To win an ATP 500 and 250 you need to win 9-10 matches, including about 3 top 10 opponents.

If that doesnt make up for the difference between a slam winner and a slam finalist, what more ?
 
Ah but Cilic got what it takes to beat an old champion. I suppose the others have too much 'respect' for that.

If any player deserves a great 2015 it is going to be Cilic!
And of course let's not forget the other three great slam winners as well!
:grin:

I am not taking anything away from Cilic, nor Wawrinka or Djokovic. Cilic and Wawa were on fire in "their" Slam and they deserve their title, as does Djokovic, who managed to play his best match of Wimbledon (the year) against Federer in the final.
But, neither Cilic, Wawa nor Djokovic have shown the consistency Federer has. They all know how to beat "an old champion", but can they do it on a regular basis?
Federer had deep runs in almost all the tournaments he played, and after RG in all the tournaments.
Let's see what the remaining 2 tournaments bring (possibly the DC) and we will know who gets the #1 for year end. It is a close race and in the end, both players would deserve it. but there is only 1 winner, as always in tennis (or is there actually a possibility, they both end up with the exact same points? and if, what happens then? :shock:)
 
Don't think so given how quickly he has landed in Paris barely 3-4 days after his child was born ? I think he wants the #1 as badly as ever.
Federer played Rome just 5 days after birth of his boys:confused: Is there any difference or you are just mad over that Novak won't give no1 to Federer without fight.
 
RF may lose a battle but he will win the war. Get used to it.
'History of Tennis' book will always have him in the cover.
 
Anti-Feds are in no position to complain

Federer played Rome just 5 days after birth of his boys:confused: Is there any difference or you are just mad over that Novak won't give no1 to Federer without fight.

Federer skipped Madrid to stay with his family. To make it fair race, Nole should skip Paris.
 
I think Djokovic will pipe him just. I don't think Roger can outpreform Nole in both events coming up.
 
I didn't say it was his fault. Of course it isn't. He is just doing his best and playing, like anyone else, and I don't blame him for setting the #1 ranking as a goal when it is within reach.

This also isn't bias against Federer on my part for a few of the oversensitive Federer fanboys. Since while I freely admit I am not a Federer fan, I immensely dislike Djokovic, and so of the two prefer Federer 100 times over.

I never approve a slamless #1, ever. Either in the mens or womens game. Personally I think there should be a rule in place that no player without a slam in the last 12 months should ever be allowed at #1. I am a Serena Williams fan but did you realize she would have still been ranked #1 after the U.S Open even if she lost in the round of 16. Do you know what that means? She could have had 0 slam quarterfinals (forget titles, quarterfinals) on her resume and been still ranked #1 at that point, although she might have lost it in the interim (not even sure on that, if all else remained the same). How preposterous is that, and a sign of the badly flawed rankings system of today. While I know the ATP differs somewhat from the WTA they still have many of the same ridiculous things- slams worth only double the points of a tier 1 or Masters (please), losing a final getting more than half the points of the winner (again nonsense), getting to throw out some poor results in smaller events, and so on. I make note of the womens game as I am a regular follower of the womens game and this has become a common epidemic in the womens game. Those of us who post on the womens tennis forum once regularly induldged in Wozniacki bashing for almost 2 years steady, so this is not a new phenomen just because it is Federer involved this time.

Furthermore I don't even see how Federer's year is significantly (or any) better than Djokovic's even outside of his failure to win a slam title vs Djokovic winning one. Perhaps someone could point out how it is, as I dont see it. Making the idea Federer could end ahead even more baffling and a sign of the poor ranking system. To put into perspective again an ATP 500 and ATP 250 combined is worth almost the same # of points as the gap between winning and losing a slam final (800 points). How f-ed up is that. That is exactly how Federer could even still be in contention with Djokovic, despite not winning a slam title while Djokovic did, and seemingly not having any better a year in any other meaningful way to compensate.

Although as I already said too if anyone would deserve that to happen to them it would be Djokovic after his bogus ITF POY award last year. Even if he would be getting screwed out of something 20 times more important (YE#1, probably ATP Player of Year, all the important Player of Year awards) than the menial ITF award, I still would find it fitting karma of sorts. Sometimes big punishments are fitting even more minor crimes, and they often keep such offenses from being repeated again. So that said despite that I would disagree with it, I wouldn't complain about it either, just because of who else is involved.

I'm really sorry. I didn't even read the entire post. I was just gobsmacked by the self-entitlement of the bolded quote, and stopped reading. LOL!!
 
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