Who wins the following slam finals had they taken place

When noteable upsets occured in the semis, or close calls in the semis, etc..... Who do you think wins each of these:

Men

2010 U.S Open- Federer vs Nadal, had Federer converted match point vs Djokovic in the semis.
2011 French- Nadal vs Djokovic, had Federer not taken out Djokovic in a pretty big upset in the semis.
2011 U.S Open- Federer vs Nadal, had Federer convereted match point vs Djokovic in the semis.
2012 Australian Open- Murray vs Nadal, had Murray won super tough 5 setter vs Djokovic in the semis.
2013 Wimbledon- Del Potro vs Murray, had Del Potro won his tough 5 setter vs Djokovic in the semis.
2014 Australian Open- Federer vs Wawrinka, had Federer been able to win his semi over Nadal.
2015 Austrailan Open- Wawrinka vs Murray, had Wawrinka won his 5 setter vs Djokovic in the semis.
2017 Australian Open- Nadal vs Wawrinka, had Wawrinka won his tough 5 setter vs Federer in the semis.


Women

1991 U.S Open- Capriati vs Navratilova; Seles vs Graf; had Capriati or Graf won in their tough semi final losses. Dont bother with Capriati vs Graf as Graf always wins that match up.
1995 French- Martinez vs Sanchez. Had Martinez won her very tough semi vs Graf which she likely wins if she converts at 3-3, 0-40 but missed 3 returns.
1997 French- Hingis vs Coetzer; Seles vs Majoli; had Coetzer won super tough semi vs Majoli, or Seles won very close 3 setter vs Hingis in other semi. Seles vs Coetzer is meaningless since that match up is a Capriati-Graf type obvious. The other two are tougher calls given how poor Hingis was in final, and how great Majoli played in final.
1997 U.S Open- Spirlea vs Hingis. If Spirlea converts match point vs Venus in semis.
1998 French- Sanchez vs Hingis. Had Hingis not lost in a big upset to a hot Seles in the semis. Of note Sanchez is 2-18 vs Hingis including an abysmal record on clay.
2000 French- Martinez vs Hingis. Had Hingis not lost to Pierce in an upset in the semis. Martinez has bad record vs Hingis, but a good record on clay, and won their last clay match.
2003 Australian- Clijsters vs Venus, Had Clijsters convereted match points vs Serena in the semis.
2003 U.S Open- Capriati vs Clijsters, had Jen who was 2 points from winning her semis with Henin 11 times won and faced Clijsters in the final.
2015 U.S Open- Serena vs Pennetta- If Serena does not fall to Vinci in mammoth upset in semis.
2018 Australian- Kerber vs Wozniacki. Had Kerber converted match point vs Halep in the semis.
 

Third Serve

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I can only answer for the men's side.

2010 US Open: Nadal 85/15
2011 RG: Nadal 55/45
2011 US Open: 50/50
2012 AO: Nadal 70/30
2013 Wimbledon: Murray 80/20 (Delpo would likely have been gassed in the final)
2014 AO: Federer 55/45
2015 AO: Murray 60/40
2017 AO: Nadal 70/30
 
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I can only answer for the men's side.

2010 US Open: Nadal 85/15
2011 RG: Nadal 55/45
2011 US Open: 50/50
2012 AO: Nadal 70/30
2013 Wimbleon: Murray 80/20 (Delpo would likely have been gassed in the final)
2014 AO: Federer 55/45
2015 AO: Murray 60/40
2017 AO: Nadal 70/30

I agree on almost all of those. The only change I would probably make is the 2015 Australian Open as 50/50. I might give Wawrinka 35-40% shot in the 2017 Australian Open final rather than 30% too.
 

SaintPetros

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When noteable upsets occured in the semis, or close calls in the semis, etc..... Who do you think wins each of these:

Men

2010 U.S Open- Federer vs Nadal, had Federer converted match point vs Djokovic in the semis.
2011 French- Nadal vs Djokovic, had Federer not taken out Djokovic in a pretty big upset in the semis.
2011 U.S Open- Federer vs Nadal, had Federer convereted match point vs Djokovic in the semis.
2012 Australian Open- Murray vs Nadal, had Murray won super tough 5 setter vs Djokovic in the semis.
2013 Wimbledon- Del Potro vs Murray, had Del Potro won his tough 5 setter vs Djokovic in the semis.
2014 Australian Open- Federer vs Wawrinka, had Federer been able to win his semi over Nadal.
2015 Austrailan Open- Wawrinka vs Murray, had Wawrinka won his 5 setter vs Djokovic in the semis.
2017 Australian Open- Nadal vs Wawrinka, had Wawrinka won his tough 5 setter vs Federer in the semis.


Women

1991 U.S Open- Capriati vs Navratilova; Seles vs Graf; had Capriati or Graf won in their tough semi final losses. Dont bother with Capriati vs Graf as Graf always wins that match up.
1995 French- Martinez vs Sanchez. Had Martinez won her very tough semi vs Graf which she likely wins if she converts at 3-3, 0-40 but missed 3 returns.
1997 French- Hingis vs Coetzer; Seles vs Majoli; had Coetzer won super tough semi vs Majoli, or Seles won very close 3 setter vs Hingis in other semi. Seles vs Coetzer is meaningless since that match up is a Capriati-Graf type obvious. The other two are tougher calls given how poor Hingis was in final, and how great Majoli played in final.
1997 U.S Open- Spirlea vs Hingis. If Spirlea converts match point vs Venus in semis.
1998 French- Sanchez vs Hingis. Had Hingis not lost in a big upset to a hot Seles in the semis. Of note Sanchez is 2-18 vs Hingis including an abysmal record on clay.
2000 French- Martinez vs Hingis. Had Hingis not lost to Pierce in an upset in the semis. Martinez has bad record vs Hingis, but a good record on clay, and won their last clay match.
2003 Australian- Clijsters vs Venus, Had Clijsters convereted match points vs Serena in the semis.
2003 U.S Open- Capriati vs Clijsters, had Jen who was 2 points from winning her semis with Henin 11 times won and faced Clijsters in the final.
2015 U.S Open- Serena vs Pennetta- If Serena does not fall to Vinci in mammoth upset in semis.
2018 Australian- Kerber vs Wozniacki. Had Kerber converted match point vs Halep in the semis.
I think really the only ones on this list we can be certain of are the 2010 and 11 US Open fantasy finals...Fed was still in Nadal's employee at the time, no way he was beating his boss in those finals.
 
I think really the only ones on this list we can be certain of are the 2010 and 11 US Open fantasy finals...Fed was still in Nadal's employee at the time, no way he was beating his boss in those finals.

I think he had a decent shot in 2011, but I might be in the minority on that. You are right about the psychology of the match up at the time, which ironically these days is in Federer's favor (minus clay). Or how important that is in the sport in general.
 
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SaintPetros

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I think he had a decent shot in 2011, but I might be in the minority on that. You are right about the psychology of the match up at the time, which ironically these days is in Federer's favor (minus clay). Or how important that is in the sport in general.
Definitely had a better shot in '11 than '10 but he would have been Breakpointerer at that point still.
 
I don't follow women's tennis at all because I like myself.

2010 U.S Open- Federer vs Nadal - Nadal his level was crazy high that year.
2011 French- Nadal vs Djokovic - Nadal he has never lost a final there and is a different animal all together.
2011 U.S Open- Federer vs Nadal - Nadal his level was down this year compared to 2010, but Rafa still owned Rog at this point. Plus the USO was really slow that year which hurts Fed's chances.
2012 Australian Open- Murray vs Nadal - Nadal he never had a mental block against Murray, plus Joker is the AO king while Sir Andeh has never won there.
2013 Wimbledon- Del Potro vs Murray - Murray he was not going to be denied his time, especially after having lost the year before.
2014 Australian Open- Federer vs Wawrinka - Federer he matches up very well against Stan.
2015 Austrailan Open- Wawrinka vs Murray - Murray Stan doesn't recover as well as the Big 4 after marathon matches.
2017 Australian Open- Nadal vs Wawrinka - Nadal unless Rafa's back gave out on him again I don't see Wawa repeating.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't follow women's tennis at all because I like myself.

2010 U.S Open- Federer vs Nadal - Nadal his level was crazy high that year.
2011 French- Nadal vs Djokovic - Nadal he has never lost a final there and is a different animal all together.
2011 U.S Open- Federer vs Nadal - Nadal his level was down this year compared to 2010, but Rafa still owned Rog at this point. Plus the USO was really slow that year which hurts Fed's chances.
2012 Australian Open- Murray vs Nadal - Nadal he never had a mental block against Murray, plus Joker is the AO king while Sir Andeh has never won there.
2013 Wimbledon- Del Potro vs Murray - Murray he was not going to be denied his time, especially after having lost the year before.
2014 Australian Open- Federer vs Wawrinka - Federer he matches up very well against Stan.
2015 Austrailan Open- Wawrinka vs Murray - Murray Stan doesn't recover as well as the Big 4 after marathon matches.
2017 Australian Open- Nadal vs Wawrinka - Nadal unless Rafa's back gave out on him again I don't see Wawa repeating.


You are so right, Sir! (y)
I take my hat off to you!
;)
 

jm1980

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Is 2014 AO a joke? Bull butchered fedr like a ham.
Stan is a good match up for Fed

Granted, he is also a good match up for Nadal, and Stan played well even before the injury. But I feel Fed would have been able to hold him off better
 
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weakera

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Stan is a good match up for Fed

Granted, he is also a good match up for Nadal, and Stan played well even before the injury. But I feel Fed would have been able to hold him off better

The point is that the other theoreticals involved close matches/losses.
 
Is 2014 AO a joke? Bull butchered fedr like a ham.

Yeah Federer was not really ever close to winning the semis. The only reason I put that one is it was a rare case the semi final loser lost to the losing finalist, but might have had a good shot to win over the winning finalist. On the flip side it would be a good shot for Stan to get his first non clay win over fed, which might have helped him some future close losses (YEC semis where he had match points, AO 2017, etc...) That is all.
 
When noteable upsets occured in the semis, or close calls in the semis, etc..... Who do you think wins each of these:

Men

2010 U.S Open- Federer vs Nadal, had Federer converted match point vs Djokovic in the semis.
2011 French- Nadal vs Djokovic, had Federer not taken out Djokovic in a pretty big upset in the semis.
2011 U.S Open- Federer vs Nadal, had Federer convereted match point vs Djokovic in the semis.
2012 Australian Open- Murray vs Nadal, had Murray won super tough 5 setter vs Djokovic in the semis.
2013 Wimbledon- Del Potro vs Murray, had Del Potro won his tough 5 setter vs Djokovic in the semis.
2014 Australian Open- Federer vs Wawrinka, had Federer been able to win his semi over Nadal.
2015 Austrailan Open- Wawrinka vs Murray, had Wawrinka won his 5 setter vs Djokovic in the semis.
2017 Australian Open- Nadal vs Wawrinka, had Wawrinka won his tough 5 setter vs Federer in the semis.

Nadal

Nadal

Federer

Nadal (Murray couldn't walk for next day)

Murray

Federer

50-50

Wawrinka (60-40)
 
I think Wawrinka actually would have had more shot vs Nadal in the 2017 Australian Open final than many think. The slowed down Nadal's more agressive game style works negatively for him when he plays the attacking players except on clay. His terrible record vs Federer of late (predictably minus their 1 clay meeting) speaks to that. And I know he easily beat Wawrinka in the 2017 French final, but that is clay which needs to be seperated from all else, and Wawrinka was gassed out bigtime from his Murray semi and super flat anyway.

Wawrinka played pretty good tennis vs Federer in the semis and was a bit unlucky to not win. Nadal wasnt that great at this event, and nearly went out to Dmitrov in the semis.
 
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