Who would have been #1 in the 90s...

Polvorin

Professional
if string/racket technology and court speeds were the same as they are currently?

Corretja or Moya...?
 
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Chico

Banned
90's equivalent of current players:

Moya = Nadal
Sampras = Federer
Agassi = Djokovic
Courrier = Murray
 
if string/racket technology and court speeds were the same as they are currently?

Corretja or Moya...?
not sure who would be no. 1 per se, but i think the clay court players will be great. players like bruguera, muster, and even chang. chang isn't really a clay courter, but his style of game especially the chang between 95-97 should make him quite formidable in modern day conditions.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Agassi and Sampras would have swapped their places in the history.

Sampras would have Hewitt , Safin like records then.
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
90's equivalent of current players:

Moya = Nadal
Nadal is most like Muster out of the 1990s players. The only real difference in style is Nadal's two-handed backhand while Muster had a one-handed backhand.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Agassi would be ranked 1st without a doubt. Sampras would need to develop a "rally" backhand and stamina to remain a top player.
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
Nadal is most like Muster out of the 1990s players. The only real difference in style is Nadal's two-handed backhand while Muster had a one-handed backhand.
Agreed. If the 90's had been played on current surfaces we would have very unexpected champions indeed. Experience playing important matches (semifinals and finals) is very important to build confidence and make you a better player. Being clutch is also about having the past experience of enduring close matches under pressure. Great players can draw from such experience. Now imagine that second-tier players in the 90's (such as Medvedev, Kucera, Corretja) suddenly had a chance to make it to the latter stages of tournaments on a more regular basis, simply because the surface suited them: who's to say they wouldn't have developed into more solid players thanks to the experience they garnered? I think surface change transforms the game more than we're sometimes willing to accept. Had the surfaces been more homogeneous, who can be certain that Sampras wouldn't have been a Llodra or Medvedev a Nadal? Sometimes we tend to merely focus on the "mental strength from within --> better results on the court" equation, which gives prominence to the assumption that mental strength is either natural to a player or something that must be developed from the psychological point of view. You'll win more matches if you develop the mental part of your game. This may well be true, but there's another side to it. If the conditions of the game favor your style of play, you'll find yourself in the situation of playing important, character-building matches more often than if they didn't. And this would probably give rise to an unexpected champion, who was maybe even second or third tier in his era. This thread is interesting because it helps to dispel the myth that a champion would always be a champion. Just something to think about.
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
NOT Nadal. The guy is the product of this era, he wouldn't even exist on the tour in any other era.


Imagine there's no nadal,
It's easy if you try,
No clay below us,
Only low bouncing carpet,
Imagine all the players
Playing entertaining tennis...

Imagine there's no nadal
It isn't hard to do
No cheating to bear
And no faking too
Imagine all the players
Playing tennis in peace...

Imagine no ugly topspin,
I wonder if you can,
No need for buttpick or phony uncle,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the players
Butchering the golden bull...

You may say I'm a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And tennis will be saved.
 
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Laurie

Guest
I know you chaps are getting excited about Agassi, but I have some doubts. The reason is this, because the courts are slower, the athleticism needed in defence is incredible, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and Federer have shown this time and again over a four to five year period.

However, Agassi's athleticism and defense is not at the same level, as I think everyone here knows. So I'm not sure Agassi would have been able to win 10 plus major tournaments with his relative lack of athleticism on consistently slower surfaces against guys who have much superior athleticism (not fitness, athleticism).

Don't forget, when talking about baseliners, don't always think slow works, some of the best baseliners in the past 25 years on both the mens and womens side preferred faster surfaces if they had the choice for a variety of reasons.
 

timnz

Legend
Connors

I know you chaps are getting excited about Agassi, but I have some doubts. The reason is this, because the courts are slower, the athleticism needed in defence is incredible, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and Federer have shown this time and again over a four to five year period.

However, Agassi's athleticism and defense is not at the same level, as I think everyone here knows. So I'm not sure Agassi would have been able to win 10 plus major tournaments with his relative lack of athleticism on consistently slower surfaces against guys who have much superior athleticism (not fitness, athleticism).

Don't forget, when talking about baseliners, don't always think slow works, some of the best baseliners in the past 25 years on both the mens and womens side preferred faster surfaces if they had the choice for a variety of reasons.
There is merit in this point. Connors for instance thrived on a fast surface like indoor carpet.
 

yemenmocha

Professional
Nadal would not be anywhere near where he is now in rankings, as his results would be skewed towards clay court results only. Hard courts were normal back then (fast). Grass was fast.

And he would have had to play against fast court specialists regularly, on fast surfaces. Beating a top notch S&V'er is another ball game when having to do it on very fast surfaces.



Agassi for same reasons as others gave - it would have come down to athleticism. Courier too, for early 90's.
 
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