Who would have ended up with more Slams, Djokovic with Fonseca's forehand or Nadal with Isner's serve?

Who would've ended up with more Slams?

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Razer said:
Sinner does not need blindly loyal fans, he needs a bit rational fans.
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objectively speaking, djoker won slams since 2020 with efficient serves
if rafa has better serve, he can win matches more easily and less affected by his injuries
given the difference is only two slams, rafa would benefit much more than djoker in this poll
 
Give Rafa Roger service skill and he easily win 5 more slams.
ISNER was GOAT service player but you need that height also.
Roger Rafa are same height player.
Fonseca forehand.
It is not better than Novak.
 
Megafanoftennis100 said:
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Sir, with all due respect, aren't you currently 51 years old?
Even one of the absolute GOATs with one of the very best forehands of all time (Roger Federer) at 44 (7 years younger than you) would lose badly to Zverev in FH-FH exchanges.
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That bro really thinks he can hold his own with freaking Zed in forehand exchanges. He also thinks he can beat Serena. Guy is delusional.
 
To the question: Nadal with Isner’s serve would be literally unbeatable. Nadal with a really bad serve won 22 slams. Isner’s serve is considerably better than even Federer’s and light years better than Djoko’s so it would be lights out. Isner with his bad ground game won like 92% of his service games. Nadal with his ground game would be next to unbreakable.
 
A better question might be who would've benefitted most by having Isner's Serve?
-Federer
-Nadal
-Djoker
-Errani.

I think a everyone has pointd out it helps Nadal the most. But I think Fed and Djoker would've gotten even more slams too. 40-15 wasn't going to happen with Isner's serve.
 
BorgTheGOAT said:
To the question: Nadal with Isner’s serve would be literally unbeatable. Nadal with a really bad serve won 22 slams. Isner’s serve is considerably better than even Federer’s and light years better than Djoko’s so it would be lights out. Isner with his bad ground game won like 92% of his service games. Nadal with his ground game would be next to unbreakable.
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Nadal won the 2010 US Open and 2017 French Open with a very good serve.
 
darthrafa said:
objectively speaking, djoker won slams since 2020 with efficient serves
if rafa has better serve, he can win matches more easily and less affected by his injuries
given the difference is only two slams, rafa would benefit much more than djoker in this poll
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gamelovergold said:
Give Rafa Roger service skill and he easily win 5 more slams.
ISNER was GOAT service player but you need that height also.
Roger Rafa are same height player.
Fonseca forehand.
It is not better than Novak.
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Rafa would be so insanely hard to beat with a top-tier serve it would be borderline unfair.

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Robert F said:
A better question might be who would've benefitted most by having Isner's Serve?
-Federer
-Nadal
-Djoker
-Errani.

I think an everyone has pointd out it helps Nadal the most. But I think Fed and Djoker would've gotten even more slams too. 40-15 wasn't going to happen with Isner's serve.
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Rafa has the worst serve of the three so he would gain most.
 
Mustard said:
Ivanisevic?

If Nadal had Ivanisevic's serve, the question would be if Nadal wins by baseline rallies or by a load of aces/service winners.
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For every ace Ivanisevic hit, how many double faults did he commit?
:unsure:
 
Pheasant said:
Djoker with Fonseca’s FH wins 15 slam titles instead of 24.

Nadal with Isner’s serve wins 15 CYGS. He wouldn’t have to grind with that serve, which means that he’d hardly get injured.
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Is it possible for a tennis player to combine Nadal's baseline skills with Isner's lethal serve in one?
8-B
 
DSH said:
Is it possible for a tennis player to combine Nadal's baseline skills with Isner's lethal serve in one?
8-B
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Such a player would be conflicted about how to ram home their authority. Through their serving or through their rallying? Nadal at the 2017 French Open was near perfect with both, to be fair. Nadal never served that well at any other French Open.
 
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DSH said:
Explain your argument a little.
:)
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BorgTheGOAT said:
Watch the fifth set of 1980 Wimbledon final.
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To explain:

Borg was obviously devastated about losing the fourth set of the 1980 Wimbledon final against McEnroe, having blown 7 championship points. Borg said that he was still thinking about the marathon tiebreak from that fourth set (McEnroe won it 18-16) when the fifth set started. Borg served in the first game of the fifth set, went 0-30 down pretty quickly. Borg then calmly won 4 points in a row to hold. Borg would only lose 1 more point on serve (a volley error that he hit long) for the rest of the match. McEnroe, by contrast, was under pressure on serve more often, including getting out of a 0-40 situation. McEnroe, serving at 6-7, was broken at 15, and Borg sunk to his knees for that famous moment in tennis history.
 
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People saying Djokovic getting a forehand upgrade would be detrimental is absolutely hilarious. But regardless a serve typically wins more free points than a forehand so the answer is sort of obvious.
 
4UTRMoutet said:
People saying Djokovic getting a forehand upgrade would be detrimental is absolutely hilarious. But regardless a serve typically wins more free points than a forehand so the answer is sort of obvious.
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Uhh what? The Fonseca forehand is only better than Joe's in raw power, in terms of rally tolerance and committing less UFE's Djok's is much better.
 
objection_ said:
Uhh what? The Fonseca forehand is only better than Joe's in raw power, in terms of rally tolerance and committing less UFE's Djok's is much better.
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I'm assuming that both players have the same level of control, assuming that Djokovic grew up with this forehand and modified the consistency to where he usually likes it. Same with Nadal, Nadal doesn't have the same serve placement as Isner but gets the boost in speed.
 
Rafa with Isner’s serve is essentially the CEO and Chairman of the ATP. He allocates 500s and 250s to the players, handles their pay, sets up the sponsors for the tournaments, books the hotels, handles the anti-doping controls, hires the umpires etx. It’s like Vince McMahon in the WWE. He owns the tour, he runs the tour.
 
Schwartzmann with Karlovic serve > Nadal with Isner serve

Schwartzmann was like 1 foot shorter than the average top10 and still made it to #8.
 
junkieballer said:
Schwartzmann with Karlovic serve > Nadal with Isner serve

Schwartzmann was like 1 foot shorter than the average top10 and still made it to #8.
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Schwartzmann lacked the bite on the groundstrokes. Karlovic and Isner were relatively comparable in serve, both had nearly the same stats, an exception being Isner leads in aces.
 
junkieballer said:
Karlovic had the highest ace percentage ever, Schwartzmann never missed. Combine the two, it's lethal

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Diego troubled Nadal on clay often despite being 5'6 (in reality as per reddit) and a weak serve. Nadal's shots bounce made Djokovic and Federer sweat but Diego could keep up.


Diego with a karlovic type serve is not losing to anybody.
 
ForehandCross said:
Diego troubled Nadal on clay often despite being 5'6 (in reality as per reddit) and a weak serve. Nadal's shots bounce made Djokovic and Federer sweat but Diego could keep up.


Diego with a karlovic type serve is not losing to anybody.
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Now, imagine Diego with Federer's height AND Karlovic's serve...
Dude's going to be the undisputed GOAT of tennis.
 
gamelovergold said:
Give Rafa Roger service skill and he easily win 5 more slams.
ISNER was GOAT service player but you need that height also.
Roger Rafa are same height player.
Fonseca forehand.
It is not better than Novak.
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I take these hypotheticals as a player "magically" adopting these feats (in this case, ball speed and placement on serve) without changing his anatomy or the rest of his shots / playmaking. It's true skills can't be changed like trading cards.
 
So you're suggesting that Nadal, arguably one of the greatest returners the game has ever seen, would be armed with by far the greatest servers/ace count we've ever seen?

He'd never get broken, ever, whilst breaking his opponent's serve 33% of the time?

LOL, surely you jest.

And you're going to give Djokovic Fonseca's forehand? Djokovic already has a better forehand than Fonseca, so it would be a downgrade.
 
BauerAlmeida said:
1- The serve is the most important shot in tennis, even if the forehand is crucial.
2- The gap between Isner's serve and Nadal's is astronomically larger than the one between Djokovic's forehand and Fonseca's.
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The best servers under 190 centimeters tall are Sampras, Federer, Roddick, who else?
:unsure:
 
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