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To be fair, that was his first realistic shot at a slam. Nadal at RG is something else, nobody can touch him.
Who would have most RG titles without Nadal on the way : Federer or Djokovic ?
To be fair, that was his first realistic shot at a slam. Nadal at RG is something else, nobody can touch him.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Using your logic, why 2008 Djokovic isn't winning RG? He actually played a very good semifinal against Nadal, even though he lost in straights. A much better performance than Federer's in the final.
Anyway, there is no way Schwartzman beats Djokovic in RG final.
DSH
Bionic Poster
This is clay and best of five set matches, but if you want to give a freebie to Federer, be my guest!
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Never occurred to you he lost that set because he was injured? I remember that match.
Djokovic wasn't a factor at the slams? He won AO, played a finale and several semis. So yeah, not a factor, as useless at slams as I was...
daggerman
Hall of Fame
This assuredness seems misplaced when you consider their last match there went 7-5 in the 5th set.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
07 Djokovic ain’t beating Fed. Fed was actually really good in that 2007 final, minus the BPs. If Djokovic has to take one of the two, it’s got to be 2008.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Just think about it: if Nadal had never existed, Federer and Djokovic would have possibly played 3 slam finals against each other in 2007 and would have met in all 4 slams in the same year.
Crazy to think about.
Steffi-forever
Hall of Fame
So Fed is winning two consecutive calendar Grand Sam in 2006 and 2007 As well as 11 straight slams between RG 2005 to USO 2007?
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
And maybe winning multiple RGs would have affected Federer's chances of winning 8 Wimbledon titles. Due to physical and mental fatigue. Maybe 4-5 RG titles and 6 Wimbledon titles instead of 8. 4 Channel Slams.
DSH
Bionic Poster
Bull finished off Zeus!
The savior of humanity who opposed the egotism of the Olympian gods.
All hail, Nadal!
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
For all talks of how many Fedovic would win,
Thiem would probably have won 4 straight RGs.
2017 Wawrinka was tired after 5hr Semi
2018 it's Tim
2019 it's Tim whipping old man rog around for fun.
2020 with no mental pressure of saving energy for Nadal SF, he might get past Diego and with two days off beat Djokovic.
Tim moral non Nadal RG GOAT.
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
LOL at anyone thinking 2019 goes to Nose.
People don't remember much do they?
2019 RG F first two sets were probably the best sets of the entire year level wise.
Thiem was hitting big, really big. And Nadal was playing incredible.
You must be joking me of you think old nose would be able withstand that.
Tim would grind old bones to dust.
People don't remember much do they?
2019 RG F first two sets were probably the best sets of the entire year level wise.
Thiem was hitting big, really big. And Nadal was playing incredible.
You must be joking me of you think old nose would be able withstand that.
Tim would grind old bones to dust.
I would say so, yes. He was so superior anywhere but against Nadal on clay that even the additional pressure at Wimbledon and US Open wouldn’t have stopped him.
Spencer Gore
Legend
If no one else on the planet existed I would be the greatest tennis player of all time, just edging out my hat stand who constantly gets disqualified for not respecting the shot clock.
mehdimike
Hall of Fame
Without Nadal, Thiem would be seeded as #2 and probably wouldn't play Diego till SF
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
I feel like the opinions really changed on this forum after RG final. Suddenly Federer on clay gets much more respect than before.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
That was my point anyway, that we have to give him one of the two, I didn't say both.
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It's not that simple. Players aren't machines, they're prone to upsets.
Fedal 2020
Rookie
Djokovic is only goat vs ball boys, old referees choking 33+ federer or 2015 nadal...otherwise he is a meek little vegan baby.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
IIRC Fed struggled quite a bit with Monfils in semi. I lean Djokovic but it's all whatever. What makes me cringe is people suggesting Nadal isn't better than Fed at Wimbly and the field is just that dire.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Do you mean that you think Nadal is better at Wimby than Fed at RG?
Fedal 2020
Rookie
No he's saying nadal at rg is better than fed at Wimbledon.. and rightly so....if we compare only fed from 03 to 07 at wimbledon vs Nadal overall at rg then we can have a discussion.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Even so, it's clearly Nadal. But Fed from 2003-2007 Wimby is probably the closest anyone has come to Nadal's level of dominance at RG.
Fedal 2020
Rookie
In terms of level? Idk the it is close...those 5 years Fed at Wimbledon was practically untouchable...not different from nadal at rg...of course it is not fair because we are comparing federer at his absolute best on his best surface vs nadal overall at rg which Includes crap years like 2015
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Nadal at RG is better than Fed at Wimb.
But that doesn't mean Federer wouldn't have beaten Nadal's RG opponents in his 30's at Wimb. He would be at 10 Wimb titles today if he had Rafa's RG opponents from 2017-present.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
I like my odds of anyone against Thiem in a major final.
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
Has to be Federer. No man bar Nadal could beat him on clay at peak. Novak Djokovic meanwhile was bested by Wawrinka.
roysid
Legend
Federer : 2005, 06,07,08 ,11
Djokovic : 2012,13,14,20
Whatever scenarios we are seeing now with Nadal out of the way would entirely change.
First the question marks?
2008: Yes Djokovic gave a better fight to Nadal. But Fed beat him that year in Monte Carlo and used to impose his game during those time. So Federer
2012 onwards : Federer had by that time given up on French. If there was no Nadal, would Fed had given up. Conversely, if there was no Nadal and Fed had won 3 FO by 2007, would he have even tried for more.
So all ifs and buts
Djokovic : 2012,13,14,20
Whatever scenarios we are seeing now with Nadal out of the way would entirely change.
First the question marks?
2008: Yes Djokovic gave a better fight to Nadal. But Fed beat him that year in Monte Carlo and used to impose his game during those time. So Federer
2012 onwards : Federer had by that time given up on French. If there was no Nadal, would Fed had given up. Conversely, if there was no Nadal and Fed had won 3 FO by 2007, would he have even tried for more.
So all ifs and buts
ericarnett88
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That doesn't make much sense, it clearly depends on the level of opposition. Let's say if Nadal was playing in the Ladies draw, he would hardly have lost any games at RG. But it wouldn't mean he was at a higher level than Fed at Wimbledon.
Fedal 2020
Rookie
Always thought that Sharapova and Novak were similar on clay.
Pandora Mikado
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UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Fedfans want Fed to be an "artist" - AND a robot at the same time.
2009 was a crap year for Novak, his worst from 2007 onwards, along with 2017 (when he was injured)...
RG2009: Kohlschreiber beat Djokovic
I think Federer would have won a Fed-Thiem final. The way the schedule played out, Thiem still slamless and possibly choking. It's all possible.
You say in your argumentation that Thiem might have played better vs Schwartzman if he knew he wouldn't play Nadal in the semis, but you assume he would've played as freely and loose in the fnal 2019 against Fed, like he did vs Nadal. Maybe he'd be very nervous, knowing the FO is his to lose against "Old nose" as you call him.
