Who would my fellow Nole fans prefer to win the USO - Federer or Nadal?

[titoelcolombiano]

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[Deleted member 307496]

I'm supporting Djokovic this US Open. I believe he has more majors in him, I just don't know when they'll come.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

I'm supporting Djokovic this US Open. I believe he has more majors in him, I just don't know when they'll come.

Thought I'd never see the day

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Thought I'd never see the day

The main reason I didn't like him was because people used him as a scapegoat to devalue Federer's accomplishments.

I have found I really do enjoy his game when he's on.

 

[Djokovic2011]

I'm supporting Djokovic this US Open. I believe he has more majors in him, I just don't know when they'll come.

Marko's playing this year?

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Marko's playing this year?

I've already told you how I feel about Novak recently.

He's the only Djokovic brother that's going to make it past the first round after all, lol.

 

[Djokovic2011]

I've already told you how I feel about Novak recently.

He's the only Djokovic

Well I very much doubt he'll be there so you'll have to think of someone else to support instead.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

I do think it's nice of Novak to praise his brother for his skill on the court. It comes across as very down to Earth.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Well I very much doubt he'll be there so you'll have to think of someone else to support instead.

I don't think he's really going to opt for surgery..

That's a real career killer. Federer and Murray are outlier cases, most the time top players are never the same again.

Here's hoping he rehabilitates and can compete soon without invasive surgery.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

The main reason I didn't like him was because people used him as a scapegoat to devalue Federer's accomplishments.

I have found I really do enjoy his game when he's on.

So do you prefer Djokovic to Rafa?

 

[Deleted member 512391]

Because Djokovic's strokes, in fact pretty much his entire game is just so much more suited to the surface than Nadal's. You just look at the way he plays and it immediately screams out "quintessential hard court player", which sadly can't be said about Nadal who most of the time looks like he's playing the same way as he does on clay. No ever said life was fair though.

As we all know, hard courts are not homogeneous and Novak's return and defense are much more effective on the slower hard courts. On the fast courts, however, he is more vulnerable to the players with big weapons (Federer's serve and forehand, Nadal's forehand, Wawa's power etc) who can hit through him easier, so, imo, there is nothing criminal nor illogical in the fact that Nadal has more USO titles. As the matter of fact, contrary to popular belief, Nadal's game is actually suited for faster hard courts, because his big forehand penetrates through the court easier and represents a challenge for even the greatest defenders on tour, including Novak. And if you look at his HC resume, he's been more successful on a court that rewards the faster pace (Canada, USO, the Olympics, he even won in Cincinnati, while he never won Miami and has less AO titles).

 

[Djokovic2011]

As we all know, hard courts are not homogeneous and Novak's return and defense are much more effective on the slower hard courts. On the fast courts, however, he is more vulnerable to the players with big weapons (Federer's serve and forehand, Nadal's forehand, Wawa's power etc) who can hit through him easier, so, imo, there is nothing criminal nor illogical in the fact that Nadal has more USO titles. As the matter of fact, contrary to popular belief, Nadal's game is actually suited for faster hard courts, because his big forehand penetrates through the court easier and represents a challenge for even the greatest defenders on tour, including Novak. And if you look at his HC resume, he's been more successful on a court that rewards the faster pace (Canada, USO, the Olympics, he even won in Cincinnati, while he never won Miami and has less AO titles).

I understand all this but at the end of the day it's still a hard court and the thought of Nadal finishing with more titles leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. It's bad enough that they both have the same amount.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

As we all know, hard courts are not homogeneous and Novak's return and defense are much more effective on the slower hard courts. On the fast courts, however, he is more vulnerable to the players with big weapons (Federer's serve and forehand, Nadal's forehand, Wawa's power etc) who can hit through him easier, so, imo, there is nothing criminal nor illogical in the fact that Nadal has more USO titles. As the matter of fact, contrary to popular belief, Nadal's game is actually suited for faster hard courts, because his big forehand penetrates through the court easier and represents a challenge for even the greatest defenders on tour, including Novak. And if you look at his HC resume, he's been more successful on a court that rewards the faster pace (Canada, USO, the Olympics, he even won in Cincinnati, while he never won Miami and has less AO titles).

Yeah, people argued with me about this and called me names lol. Nadal is better on a "livelier" hard court when it's faster it suits his spin better as long as there is a decent height bounce.

And yes Novak is suited to slow HC the most. Still think Novak blew some chances at USO for reasons that have nothing to do with the speed of the court.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

So do you prefer Djokovic to Rafa?

Yes.

 

[NoleFam]

As we all know, hard courts are not homogeneous and Novak's return and defense are much more effective on the slower hard courts. On the fast courts, however, he is more vulnerable to the players with big weapons (Federer's serve and forehand, Nadal's forehand, Wawa's power etc) who can hit through him easier, so, imo, there is nothing criminal nor illogical in the fact that Nadal has more USO titles. As the matter of fact, contrary to popular belief, Nadal's game is actually suited for faster hard courts, because his big forehand penetrates through the court easier and represents a challenge for even the greatest defenders on tour, including Novak. And if you look at his HC resume, he's been more successful on a court that rewards the faster pace (Canada, USO, the Olympics, he even won in Cincinnati, while he never won Miami and has less AO titles).

You make good points here but at the end of the day, Djokovic's record at the USO is much better than Nadal's. Djokovic has been to 7 finals and Nadal has been to 3 finals in his career. What this shows is that Djokovic has not been good at closing the deal at the USO when the title has been within his grasp while Nadal won it two out of three times when he got to that stage. Djokovic should actually have 4 USO's at least and a 2-5 record is well below par for someone of his caliber. Also, even though Djokovic is a great defender like Nadal, he has usually hit more winners and was the aggressor in their USO matches versus Nadal than vice versa.

 

[Noleberic123]

Let's face it, it appears unlikely that Djokovic will play the USO this year and even if he does, chances are he won't be reaching the latter stages. So I'm just wondering who other Nole fans would prefer to see win the tournament seeing as it's almost certain to be either Federer or Nadal holding up the trophy.

If Federer wins he'll equal Djokovic's record of winning a HC major 6 times and he'll have 3 more HC slams in total, making it almost impossible for Novak to catch up. It'd also be a 4th 3 slam season and he'd be pretty much guaranteed to finish the year at #1. His fans would also be even more unbearable but that might not be so important to you.

If Nadal wins he'll once again have more USO titles than Djokovic(eew), one more multi-slam season and he'd be favoured to get a 4th YE #1, the same amount as Novak has. Given the circumstances I can honestly say if both of them do end up playing each other in the final this year I'll find it far more difficult to watch than when they played in Melbourne, in fact the thought of it alone makes me shudder, but I wanted to find out who other Nole fans would cheer for in the event that it happens or maybe you're not that bothered either way.

Poll is up. Have at it and have fun.

Djokovic

 

[BlueB]

Until he is officially not competing for the title, I am only cheering for Djokovic to win.

This! ^

If he's out, I'll cheer for Raonic, Cilic and other Slavs.

Last but not least, Fed over Rafa, like I always did in their duels.

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[Phoenix1983]

I'm obviously not a Novak Djokovic fan.

Yet if I were, I would support Federer in such a scenario. He is too far ahead for Novak Djokovic to match his career achievements, and his victory would leave the latter in with a chance of catching up with Nadal. Also, he's a more aesthetically pleasing champion.

 

[mavsman149]

Also a few Vamos Brigadeers tend to rub it into our faces when Nadal wins off clay. Djokovic has kinda screwed the goose for himself at the US Open. He should have won 3 titles there.

He should have won 2012 and 2014 for sure, if he had any kind of form he should have won last year. I also think he outplayed Roger pretty badly the opening 2 sets in 07 but he didn't quite believe he could do it just yet.

 

[Antonio Puente]

I think everyone understands how this forum works. Prior to 2013, when Djoker seemed like less of a threat, Fed fans generally supported Djoker. Then Djoker became a threat and Fed fans turned on him, and for whatever reason, with Djoker fans, they were more vicious than ever. Perhaps it was because they viewed Djoker as the uppity little brother in the equation, I don't know.

Now that Djoker no longer seems like a threat, and now that Djoker fans no longer believe Djoker can catch Fed, Djoker and Fed fans will warm up to one another.

Not preaching, just pointing out the predictable nature of it. Nadal fans obviously operate in the same manner, choosing the current lesser of two evils.

 

[Newcomer]

I'm supporting Djokovic this US Open. I believe he has more majors in him, I just don't know when they'll come.

Never thought you are a Djokovic fan.

 

[swordtennis]

He should have won 2012 and 2014 for sure, if he had any kind of form he should have won last year. I also think he outplayed Roger pretty badly the opening 2 sets in 07 but he didn't quite believe he could do it just yet.

I agree with that. He just has had no luck there really. And even in his two wins he had to go through hell to win those titles. The one draw he had that was weak he was basically shot in 2016. It will be his one glaring under achieving failure in his career. At least he won it a couple of times at least.
On a side note: I never fall for the FedFan subterfuge. Never forget the constant barrage from them over the past couple years.

 

[TU87]

I don't think Djokovic is going to catch either one in slam counts. I personally think he deliberately gave up on that after after finally winning Roland Garros (The reason he didn't stay with Becker). He doesn't want to spend the next 4-5 yrs as a tennis robot chasing another goal like he chased Roland Garros. So that being said I would like to see Nadal and Roger have this personal duel to ends up with more slams, thus Nadal needs to win to close the gap.

 

[mavsman149]

I agree with that. He just has had no luck there really. And even in his two wins he had to go through hell to win those titles. The one draw he had that was weak he was basically shot in 2016. It will be his one glaring under achieving failure in his career. At least he won it a couple of times at least.
On a side note: I never fall for the FedFan subterfuge. Never forget the constant barrage from them over the past couple years.

Yeah, I'd say he "underperformed" for his standards at Roland Garros as well, he should have beat Nadal a few of those times. He may have overachieved at Wimbledon a bit though.

 

[swordtennis]

Yeah, I'd say he "underperformed" for his standards at Roland Garros as well, he should have beat Nadal a few of those times. He may have overachieved at Wimbledon a bit though.

2014 FO for sure. That is when I kind of gave up on him ever getting past 14 majors. All he needed to do was play a decent match that match. Instead he got sick and choked out.
His form has always gotten shaky at the French as soon as he gets into the finals(qf, sf, f). At least he finally won it. Djokovic biggest weakness has always been between the ears.
However I always think these things balance out in the end. The only thing with the US Open for being such a great hard court player he should have won it 3 times at least.

 

[Deleted member 512391]

You make good points here but at the end of the day, Djokovic's record at the USO is much better than Nadal's. Djokovic has been to 7 finals and Nadal has been to 3 finals in his career. What this shows is that Djokovic has not been good at closing the deal at the USO when the title has been within his grasp while Nadal won it two out of three times when he got to that stage. Djokovic should actually have 4 USO's at least and a 2-5 record is well below par for someone of his caliber. Also, even though Djokovic is a great defender like Nadal, he has usually hit more winners and was the aggressor in their USO matches versus Nadal than vice versa.

I agree and that's my point, he failed to close the deal several times at the USO, but it never happened to him at the AO, where he owns all of his rivals. My guess is that the conditions in NYC (a little bit faster pace) don't allow him to rely on his customary game and the players I listed usually put him out of his comfort zone (I think that his match-up with Roger is a great example, he really owns him in Australia, but has always struggled against him at the USO). Maybe the reason for his results there lies somewhere else, he could be simply gassed at that point after a grueling season and his form is not as it is at the start of the season or he doesn't like the wind there, etc.

 

[NoleFam]

I agree and that's my point, he failed to close the deal several times at the USO, but it never happened to him at the AO, where he owns all of his rivals. My guess is that the conditions in NYC (a little bit faster pace) don't allow him to rely on his customary game and the players I listed usually put him out of his comfort zone (I think that his match-up with Roger is a great example, he really owns him in Australia, but has always struggled against him at the USO). Maybe the reason for his results there lies somewhere else, he could be simply gassed at that point after a grueling season and his form is not as it is at the start of the season or he doesn't like the wind there, etc.

Well you can't look at a guy who has been to 7 finals and 3 SF and say that he doesn't play well there. His record is superb there but he has underperformed in finals. He is clearly a better hardcourt player than Nadal whether it is slow/med or med/fast. The thing is that he doesn't have a comfort level on Arthur Ashe like he does on Rod Laver. He doesn't like the noise or the wind, and he rarely has seemed to bring his best level in the finals of that tournament. That's the main difference between there and AO and not necessarily the speed of the court.

 

[Deleted member 512391]

Well you can't look at a guy who has been to 7 finals and 3 SF and say that he doesn't play well there. His record is superb there but he has underperformed in finals. He is clearly a better hardocurt player than Nadal whether it is slow/med or med/fast. The thing is that he doesn't have a comfort level on Arthur Ashe like he does on Rod Laver. He doesn't like the noise or the wind, and he rarely has seemed to bring his best level in the finals of that tournament. That's the main difference between there and AO and not necessarily the speed of the court.

I never said he doesn't play well, but his record in Australia is superior. Also, there is no noise in Cincinnati, but he still failed to win a single title, even though he's reached five finals and lost all of them to the players who historically trouble him on a faster court (Murray and Federer). On the other hand, his record in Indian Wells is impressive, so either he's tired during the summer season or the conditions (and I believe it is a difference in the speed of the courts) don't suit his game.

And this isn't a discussion about whether Nadal is the better player on a fast HC, I was responding to a comment that it is criminal that Nadal has the same number of USO titles.

 

[NoleFam]

I never said he doesn't play well, but his record in Australia is superior. Also, there is no noise in Cincinnati, but he still failed to win a single title, even though he's reached five finals and lost all of them to the players who historically trouble him on a faster court (Murray and Federer). On the other hand, his record in Indian Wells is impressive, so either he's tired during the summer season or the conditions (and I believe it is a difference in the speed of the courts) don't suit his game.

And this isn't a discussion about whether Nadal is the better player on a fast HC, I was responding to a comment that it is criminal that Nadal has the same number of USO titles.

I think you're reading too much into his losses. He's been to more USO finals than AO finals. That's one thing that kind of debunks a theory that the faster court doesn't suit his game. He also has won Canada 4 times which is a faster court, Shanghai at least 3 times, Basel a few times, Dubai a couple of times, etc. He only doesn't have one Masters tournament which is Cincinnati. None of the Big 4 have all the Masters so he is no different. The reason he hasn't won Cincy is because it's one of Federer's favorite courts and he's often outplayed by Federer there or he just had some bad luck. The same for Nadal in Miami and Murray at Indian Wells. Now, AO is his house. It's where he won his first Slam and where he brings his best tennis year after year, and Rod Laver is the court where he feels most comfortable. He also plays well at the USO but he doesn't play a complete tournament of high level tennis from beginning to end like he does in Australia. He has failed at the last hurdle at the USO too many times. That's what it boils down too and not that the faster court doesn't suit his game.

 

[Deleted member 512391]

I think you're reading too much into his losses. He's been to more USO finals than AO finals. That's one thing that kind of debunks a theory that the faster court doesn't suit his game. He also has won Canada 4 times which is a faster court, Shanghai at least 3 times, Basel a few times, Dubai a couple of times, etc. He only doesn't have one Masters tournament which is Cincinnati. None of the Big 4 have all the Masters so he is no different. The reason he hasn't won Cincy is because it's one of Federer's favorite courts and he's often outplayed by Federer there or he just had some bad luck. The same for Nadal in Miami and Murray at Indian Wells. Now, AO is his house. It's where he won his first Slam and where he brings his best tennis year after year, and Rod Laver is the court where he feels most comfortable. He also plays well at the USO but he doesn't play a complete tournament of high level tennis from beginning to end like he does in Australia. He has failed at the last hurdle at the USO too many times. That's what it boils down too and not that the faster court doesn't suit his game.

I disagree, but I'll give you a longer response later today, the job is calling.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Never thought you are a Djokovic fan.

Not as big a fan of Novak as I am of Federer, but he still has a nice game.

 

[Get A Grip]

Lol why are you guys scared if Nadal wins the USO?

Logic would say you'd want Nadal to win because then Djokovic still has a chance to match or eclipse Roger's HC slams.

It's the Snowman. Let the Fed bashing begin!!! I know who you are ....
Much harder to do here than your old site

 

[mbm0912]

Berdych

 

[Noleberic123]

I disagree, but I'll give you a longer response later today, the job is calling.

Just because Federer is better on faster courts doesn't mean he is bad on them. Djokovic would have like 4 Cincy titles by now if it weren't for Roger

 

[clayqueen]

It's not definite that Novak will not play the USO because he's supposed to play an exho with Rafa in Astana in September, after the USO.

http://www.**************.org/news/...exhibition-in-astana-but-will-novak-be-there/

 

[Deleted member 512391]

Just because Federer is better on faster courts doesn't mean he is bad on them. Djokovic would have like 4 Cincy titles by now if it weren't for Roger

I never said that Novak is bad on faster HC, can we stop with that already?

Regarding Federer as Novak's "slayer" in Cincinnati, let's not forget that he's lost two finals against Murray as well and Roger actually beat Murray twice in the SFs (2009 and 2015) before facing Novak, so you don't know that would've happened in Djokovic's potential encounters in the finals against Murray.
From 2008 to 2015, Novak has lost to Federer (thrice), Murray (twice), Roddick, Isner and Robredo, so Roger, even thought the biggest, wasn't his only obstacle.

 

[Terenigma]

Blarg.

 

[Get A Grip]

I think everyone understands how this forum works. Prior to 2013, when Djoker seemed like less of a threat, Fed fans generally supported Djoker. Then Djoker became a threat and Fed fans turned on him, and for whatever reason, with Djoker fans, they were more vicious than ever. Perhaps it was because they viewed Djoker as the uppity little brother in the equation, I don't know.

Now that Djoker no longer seems like a threat, and now that Djoker fans no longer believe Djoker can catch Fed, Djoker and Fed fans will warm up to one another.

Not preaching, just pointing out the predictable nature of it. Nadal fans obviously operate in the same manner, choosing the current lesser of two evils.

I don't. IN all those years when Fed was not a threat to Rafa, and Djok was, I developed a preference for Djokovic quite independent of what it meant for Rafa.

I'm dismayed to see all the Djok fans operating in the way you describe. Maybe most Nadal and Fed fans do too, but I don't.
I think it's petty to like or dislike other players based on what they can do to your fav.

 

[NoleFam]

I don't. IN all those years when Fed was not a threat to Rafa, and Djok was, I developed a preference for Djokovic quite independent of what it meant for Rafa.

I'm dismayed to see all the Djok fans operating in the way you describe. Maybe most Nadal and Fed fans do too, but I don't.
I think it's petty to like or dislike other players based on what they can do to your fav.

Well I've always liked Rafa more than Federer. I like Federer's game more because he is amazing to watch, but I like Rafa's personality much more and his warrior attitude. Djokovic probably had more crushing losses to Rafa but it never made me turn on him so not everyone is like that.

 

[chjtennis]

Wouldn't you prefer to watch Fed winning it? Djokovic still has some realistic chances to catch Nadal but Federer is well out of reach.

 

[checkmilu]

It appear to me that Djoko enjoy it more when he beat Nadal than Fed. He teared his shirt off and screamed when he beat Nadal but very modest expression shown when he beat Federer. So I think Novak would prefer Fed to beat Nadal.

 

[Get A Grip]

Well I've always liked Rafa more than Federer. I like Federer's game more because he is amazing to watch, but I like Rafa's personality much more and his warrior attitude. Djokovic probably had more crushing losses to Rafa but it never made me turn on him so not everyone is like that.

Glad to hear it. Hopefully Djok will come back to full strength and add some much needed competitiveness at the top of the game.
I liked how Djok was able to handle Fed in the past meetings in slams since 2011. It was a drag we never got that Djok/Fed semi at Wimb.

 

[Get A Grip]

It appear to me that Djoko enjoy it more when he beat Nadal than Fed. He teared his shirt off and screamed when he beat Nadal but very modest expression shown when he beat Federer. So I think Novak would prefer Fed to beat Nadal.

Djok did the shirt ripping when Nadal was #1 and Djok was finally ascending to the throne. I don't think it had anything to do with it being Nadal or Fed, just that after trying for so long Djok was finally beating the #1, who happened to be Nadal at the time.
But I wonder now, did he never rip off his shirt after beating Fed? To me, that means Nadal was the bigger win for him.
Djok has about the same H2H against both Nadal and Fed (a difference of one more against Nadal in 50 meetings) so I can't imagine he cares much about whether Fed beats Nadal or vice versa at this point.

 

[checkmilu]

Djok did the shirt ripping when Nadal was #1 and Djok was finally ascending to the throne. I don't think it had anything to do with it being Nadal or Fed, just that after trying for so long Djok was finally beating the #1, who happened to be Nadal at the time.
But I wonder now, did he never rip off his shirt after beating Fed? To me, that means Nadal was the bigger win for him.
Djok has about the same H2H against both Nadal and Fed (a difference of one more against Nadal in 50 meetings) so I can't imagine he cares much about whether Fed beats Nadal or vice versa at this point.

If you look at the expressions when Fed hit a great winner like the tweener pass at USO,...Novak was like Ok, you are just F*king too good. But when Nadal hot great banana winners, Novak act like it's his fault that he let Nadal does those shots. Novak respect Federer more than Nadal even though his dad may not agree.

 

[airchallenge2]

Nadal! Tennis needs a balance somehow and plus, I always liked Rafa better than Roger.

 

[newpball]

Who do I want to win the US Open?

Anyone under 30 will do!

 

[Get A Grip]

If you look at the expressions when Fed hit a great winner like the tweener pass at USO,...Novak was like Ok, you are just F*king too good. But when Nadal hot great banana winners, Novak act like it's his fault that he let Nadal does those shots. Novak respect Federer more than Nadal even though his dad may not agree.

Well, the thread was actually about who Djok fans want to win the USO--not who Novak respects more. And I don't think you can even begin to tell from the look on his face when Fed hit one shot, and Rafa hit another about who Djok respects more anyway.

 

[merlinpinpin]

Who do I want to win the US Open?

Anyone under 30 will do!

Anyone over 36 is okay, too, for different reasons.

 

[Steve0904]

Federer's the one that Djokovic fans should want to win the USO (if Djokovic doesn't which looks very likely) because it leaves Djokovic closer to Nadal. Simple.