Who would win? Federer 2006 v Djokovic 2011

[vanioMan]

Are you by any chance telling me Federer pushed Nadal more on clay than Djokovic? Im not convinced and Djokovic career aint even over.

They are about even.

Djokovic did score wins in 2011 and 2013/2014.

But also, see MC/Rome 2006, RG 2006, RG 2007, Hamburg 2007/2008.

Against peak Rafa on clay. 2011-2014 is still good, but nowhere near his early years on this particular surface.

 

[Amalhotra]

Fed in three maybe four if djoko produces his us 2011 form. Federer was unbelievable in 06. In my opinion though, 05 federer played incredible tennis, probably the best.

 

[Tsebadoyswonk]

They are about even.

Djokovic did score wins in 2011 and 2013/2014.

But also, see MC/Rome 2006, RG 2006, RG 2007, Hamburg 2007/2008.

Against peak Rafa on clay. 2011-2014 is still good, but nowhere near his early years on this particular surface.

25 year old Nadal is considered old nowadays. Doesnt really matter since Djokovic has always troubled Nadal, even bagels on clay were like 60min sets.
There is one victory Fed should thank Djokovic. Madrid 2009 anyone?
Nadal was completly destroyed in the semis same goes for Djoko ofcourse.

 

[Tsebadoyswonk]

Incase you trouble be again with this crap.

- Djokovic is the one who stopped Nadals dominance in Monte Carlo.
- Djokovic is the only one who booked 2 wins in a row against Nadal on clay.
- Djokovic almost bageled inform Nadal on clay. Can I also remind you who recieved one in RG final?
- Djokovic won matches against Nadal on clay without dropping a set.
- He should have won RG 2013, but was caught like a fish.

I can go on and on about the greuling matches between them on clay.

Its laughable if you say Federer has caused Nadal more trouble on clay, when Djokovic has literally destroyed his career or put on hold.

Their best of 3 in Madrid 2009 lasted longer than any FO match between Federer and Nadal. :lol: lasting more than 4 hours if I can remember.

 

[Jezza94]

Djokovic played the French Open. Not sure what you mean when you say he had 3 Grand Slam appearances in 2011.

My mistake I was supposed to say Grand Slam Final Appearances. Sorry about the confusion.

 

[D.Nalby12]

I don't think Djokovic was enough good even in 2011 to beat absolute peak Federer on any surface you care to mention. Even in 2011 old Federer beat him on clay and almost beat him again on Decaturf too (where Noel luckily survived). Neutralising age and evolution advantage, I simply can't see Djokovic beating Federer.

 

[D.Nalby12]

Wake me up when Djokovic pushes 2005-2008ClayDal like Federer did.

More like 6-4 or 7-3 in favor of Fed.

Pushing Nadal is not test of who's better. In 2011 Djokovic pushed (In fact defeated twice) Nadal on clay which Federer couldn't but he still lost to Federer. Declined Federer is still tricky matchup for him, peak Federer was obviously technically better player overall.

 

[6-3 6-0]

On grass, I don't see Djokovic beating Federer if both were in their prime.

On Clay and Hardcourts, it will be a closer but Federer will most likely win more often than not.

It's important to note that in reality when Federer beats Djokovic, its usually much easier (either straight sets or just losing a set) while when Djokovic beats Federer its usually very tight and go all the distance (except at the AO) which makes me believe that peak-to-peak Federer will win ~55-60% of their matches.

 

[ThomasGB]

Peak Federer all the way.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Right up my alley.
Peak to peak (as I assume you mean, OP)
Average match and the result of a five match series.

AO (rebound): Fed in 4, 4-1 Fed
AO (Plexi): Gonna be nice, Novak in 5, 3-2 Novak
RG: Fed in 4, 4-1 Fed
WIM: Fed in 3, 5-0 Fed
USO: Fed in 4, 5-0 Fed

WTF: Fed in 3, 3-2 Fed

IW: Fed in 2, 4-1 Fed
Miami: Novak in 3, 4-1 Novak
MC: Fed in 3, 4-1 Fed
Madrid: Fed in 3, 4-1 Fed
Rome: Novak in 3, 3-2 Novak
Canada: Fed in 2, 4-1 Fed
Cincy: Fed in 2, 5-0 Fed
Shanghai: Fed in 2, 4-1 Fed
Paris (up to 2011): Fed in 2, 5-0 Fed
Paris (slow): Novak in 3, 3-2 Novak

Dubai: Fed in 2, 4-1 Fed
Basel: Fed in 2, 4-1 Fed

 

[SpinToWin]

Federer. The matchup plays right into prime Fed's hands. You really just have to look at matches where Fed plays some of his best tennis in recent years (RG 2011, USO 2011, Wimbledon 2012, etc.) to see that an in form Federer beats Djokovic more often than not, as Roger's game troubles Djokovic.

 

[6-3 6-0]

For all those saying Djokovic would mop the floor with Federer at the AO, do you honestly believe that? Its true that Djokovic actually straight setted Federer both times, but in AO'08 he was sick. Even if you don't want to admit it, you know it. He was taken to 5 sets by Tipsarevic who is nowhere the caliber of a player like Fed/Djoker and somehow managed to win. Not discrediting the win, but there was no way he was going to be straight setted. At AO'11, Djokovic was at his best while Federer wasn't (but still played well). No one in their right minds would think Djokovic would mop the floor with AO'07 Fed and I'd favor Fed to win it actually in a close match.

 

[RF-18]

Haha 30 year old fed beat Novak in FO 2011 in 4.

Federer doesn't fit Djokovic, he does something no one can.

 

[NatF]

People are underrated Federer at the AO and underrating Djokovic everywhere else.

 

[chrischris]

Roger Federer

 

[Krish872007]

Speaking as a Djokovic fan (with Fed as no. 2 favourite), overall I think 2006 Federer would beat 2011 Nole more often, but it would need to be broken down by surface/court, etc.
First hardcourt section of the season: I think Nole is favoured at the AO, Indian Wells and Miami. Federer favoured in Dubai.
Clay season: Federer at Monte Carlo and Madrid, Novak at Rome and probably about even at RG.
Grass: Federer clearly favoured at Halle/Queens and Wimbledon.
Summer Hardcourt Season: Novak very slightly at Toronto/Montreal, Federer at Cincinnati and the US Open
Fall/Indoor Season: Federer at Shanghai, Basel, Novak at Paris and the current WTF.

 

[Fiji]

Roger from 2006 of course.

 

[augustobt]

First hardcourt section of the season: I think Nole is favoured at the AO, Indian Wells and Miami. Federer favoured in Dubai.

Maybe in the AO with 2008 plexicuhsion, but on Old Rebound ace or nowadays court, I'd say 50/50. About Miami I'd agree, but absolutely not at IW. The windy is very favorable to Federer's game.

 

[Federer20042006]

Federer would need to serve well and beat him with junk. That's the only way he can ever beat Djokovic.

 

[Michael88]

Incase you trouble be again with this crap.

- Djokovic is the one who stopped Nadals dominance in Monte Carlo.

Didn't Federer end Nadal's insane winning streak on clay in 2007?

- Djokovic is the only one who booked 2 wins in a row against Nadal on clay.

Well, Gaudio recorded 3 in a row.

- Djokovic almost bageled inform Nadal on clay. Can I also remind you who recieved one in RG final?

Almost? Federer actually bageled Nadal on clay in 2007.

- Djokovic won matches against Nadal on clay without dropping a set.

So did Federer.

- He should have won RG 2013, but was caught like a fish.

Djokovic couldn't even beat a Nadal that was coming back after an 8-month layoff. Good luck against peak Nadal on clay.

Their best of 3 in Madrid 2009 lasted longer than any FO match between Federer and Nadal. :lol: lasting more than 4 hours if I can remember.

I'm sure if Federer started bouncing the ball 20 times before each serve, he would last longer against Nadal, too.

 

[Sysyphus]

Right up my alley.
Peak to peak (as I assume you mean, OP)
Average match and the result of a five match series.

AO (rebound): Fed in 4, 4-1 Fed
AO (Plexi): Gonna be nice, Novak in 5, 3-2 Novak
RG: Fed in 4, 4-1 Fed
WIM: Fed in 3, 5-0 Fed
USO: Fed in 4, 5-0 Fed

This. Peak Fed is simply betterer. I could entertain a 3-2 for Fed at RG, perhaps.

 

[90's Clay]

Depends on the surface..

AO- Nole easy
French- Fed
Wimbledon- Fed
USO- Not sure. Flip a coin
Indoors- Depends.. If this is the court they use today then Nole, older faster court Fed

 

[Michael88]

Depends on the surface..

AO- Nole easy
French- Fed
Wimbledon- Fed
USO- Not sure. Flip a coin
Indoors- Depends.. If this is the court they use today then Nole, older faster court Fed

How is US Open a coinflip?

 

[drm025]

I can't keep up with so many Fed fans at once. I did not change my opinion that peak Djokovic would match up with any version of Federer on hard and clay courts.

I feel your pain, man. Fed fans are certainly the majority here.

 

[jg153040]

Anyway stuff like this is silly. If Djokovic was born in 1981, he wouldn't be on his 2011 level in 2006 obviously, so he would still lose.

Previous generations make new generations, it's called evolution. Without previous generations, Nole's level in 2006 is not the same as in 2011.

 

[90's Clay]

Nole was troubling Fed dating all the way back to 07 when he was a baby and Fed at his peak in Flushing. Nole definitely came into his own around 2010-2011 to present.. So Fed is definitely not going to skunk Nole on that surface. It can go either way there

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Nole was troubling Fed dating all the way back to 07 when he was a baby and Fed at his peak in Flushing. Nole definitely came into his own around 2010-2011 to present.. So Fed is definitely not going to skunk Nole on that surface. It can go either way there

He wasn't troubling Federer at Flushing Meadows. Federer won in straight sets and won every tiebreak. If Djokovic took a set or two I could understand, but LOL.

 

[StrongerThanAll]

2006 Fed beats everyone.

 

[Michael88]

Nole was troubling Fed dating all the way back to 07 when he was a baby and Fed at his peak in Flushing.

Federer's peak was 2006. Not 2007. And how exactly is a straights sets defeat "troubling"? Old Federer had 2 match points, on serve, against peak Djokovic in 2011. That is real trouble.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

I mean, it's almost like saying Agassi and Sampras' matches at the USO "could go either way" because Agassi took a set off peak Sampras at Flushing Meadows.

 

[Michael88]

He wasn't troubling Federer at Flushing Meadows. Federer won in straight sets and won every tiebreak. If Djokovic took a set or two I could understand, but LOL.

It's funny how they say:

"Baby Djokovic" troubled peak Federer in a straight sets defeat :lol:

And neglect the fact that:

"Old Federer" had two match points against peak Djokovic :lol:

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Federer's peak was 2006. Not 2007. And how exactly is a straights sets defeat "troubling"? Old Federer had 2 match points, on serve, against peak Djokovic in 2011. That is real trouble.

According to 90's Clay that defeat at the USO '07 means Djokovic would beat Federer at the USO a few times peak for peak.

Let's see 2008 and 2009 though, 2008 was a good year for Djokovic and in 2009 he made the SF again (it was probably Djoker's best Grand Slam in 2009). And Federer routined him pretty easily, in straights each time..

 

[Deleted member 307496]

It's funny how they say:

"Baby Djokovic" troubled peak Federer in a straight sets defeat :lol:

And neglect the fact that:

"Old Federer" had two match points against peak Djokovic :lol:

If 2007 Federer hypothetically played against 2011 Djokovic at the USO, I'd give it to Federer in 4 sets maximum.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

Federer needed 4 sets for the 2008 encounter.

 

[90's Clay]

He wasn't troubling Federer at Flushing Meadows. Federer won in straight sets and won every tiebreak. If Djokovic took a set or two I could understand, but LOL.

Nole was close to take a few sets but his inexperiences cost him. Still Fed had wayyy more trouble than he should have considering Nole was like 19 or 20 at the time?? :shock:

 

[Deleted member 3771]

Djokovic would win because 2011 Djoko would have the benefit of a lof of experience vs Fed quality competition while 06 Fed wouldnt have the benefit of the extra experience and improvement he had after 06 while playing vs better quality than he faced up to 06 with Nadal, Djoko, Murray and others.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Nole was close to take a few sets but his inexperiences cost him. Still Fed had wayyy more trouble than he should have considering Nole was like 19 or 20 at the time?? :shock:

Yeah, and ranked 3 in the world..

Djokovic wasn't close enough, and that's the beauty of playing peak Federer. You can get as close as you want, but Federer can close it out when he wants..

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Djokovic would win because 2011 Djoko would have the benefit of a lof of experience vs Fed quality competition while 06 Fed wouldnt have the benefit of the extra experience and improvement he had after 06 while playing vs better quality than he faced up to 06 with Nadal, Djoko, Murray and others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bcOm116RhA

 

[Michael88]

Nole was close to take a few sets but his inexperiences cost him. Still Fed had wayyy more trouble than he should have considering Nole was like 19 or 20 at the time??

How about 30 year-old Federer having 2 match points on serve against peakest of peak Djokovic?

:shock::shock::shock::shock:

 

[Steve0904]

How is US Open a coinflip?

It's not. That's 90's clay showing his bias.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

@Natural and Sabratha

Does that mean Hewitt would beat Sampras at Wimbledon circa 2005 because of the extra experience he had against ever evolving competition?

Can we agree also that Sampras definitely beats Laver at Wimbledon for the same reasons (+ tech changes)?

 

[Deleted member 307496]

@Natural and Sabratha

Does that mean Hewitt would beat Sampras at Wimbledon circa 2005 because of the extra experience he had against ever evolving competition?

Can we agree also that Sampras definitely beats Laver at Wimbledon for the same reasons (+ tech changes)?

Hewitt beat prime Sampras on grass as a teenager, and if we use that logic at his peak it would be almost a walkover for Hewitt.

But we know how silly that sounds, don't we..

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Federer needed 4 sets for the 2008 encounter.

Also, my mistake. It still doesn't disprove my point any.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

Hewitt beat prime Sampras on grass as a teenager, and if we use that logic at his peak it would be almost a walkover for Hewitt.

But we know how silly that sounds, don't we..

Not in the absolute sense, but certainly in the relative sense. I mean Sampras definitely would cream Laver given the evidence we've seen of their tennis standard. But, that's unfair.

 

[NatF]

Federer needed 4 sets for the 2008 encounter.

Djok was playing as well in 2008 as he did in 2013 at the Open.

2006 Federer shuts 2011 Djokovic down at the USO. Probably in 4 sets, he was simply too good.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Not in the absolute sense, but certainly in the relative sense. I mean Sampras definitely would cream Laver given the evidence we've seen of their tennis standard. But, that's unfair.

Indeed.

Thus so are these comparison threads.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

Djok was playing as well in 2008 as he did in 2013 at the Open.

2006 Federer shuts 2011 Djokovic down at the USO. Probably in 4 sets, he was simply too good.

Yeah, also can't see anybody other than Federer as a favourite in that match even given the 5 year ''experience'' gap. Nole at the US Open is nothing special.

 

[Gary Duane]

Federer's peak was 2006. Not 2007.

That's nonsense. Fed won three slams in 2007.

 

[Michael88]

That's nonsense. Fed won three slams in 2007.

So? He was still better in 2006, because he won more and lost less. If he was better in 2006, how can 2007 be his peak? Do you know what the word means?

 

[Chanwan]

I think this match-up plays slightly into Fed's hands and with both of their peak, I would think Fed would win more often than not - and be very close to equal with Djoko on Djoko's best surface.

Wimbledon and US are obviously Fed, Wimbledon more so, but US he'd still be dominant - like 8-2.

AO and FO are close and could go either way, old AO, 6-4 to Fed. New: 6-4 or 7-3 to Novak.
FO: 5-5 or 6-4 Fed.