Who would win out if these two players?

Who would win?

  • Person with better serves and returns

    Votes: 12 70.6%
  • Person with better groundstrokes

    Votes: 5 29.4%

  • Total voters
    17

zill

Hall of Fame
5.0 serve, 5.0 returns, 4.0 groundstrokes and volleys

vs

4.0 serve, 4.0 returns, 5.0 groundstrokes and volleys


And by what margin?
 

3loudboys

Legend
Depends on who plays better on the day. Generally speaking though the player with better serve and return should have an advantage as those shots set up the points and allow for control of the point from the get go. Big serves or returns should allow the player to get on the fh and dominate.

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AnyPUG

Professional
5.0 serve, 5.0 returns, 4.0 groundstrokes and volleys

vs

4.0 serve, 4.0 returns, 5.0 groundstrokes and volleys


And by what margin?
Player with 5.0 serve and 5.0 return will win by 6-0 6-0 (as long as the skill level holds up that day).
How? 5.0 serve won't loose any service games to 4.0 returner. 5.0 returner will win every return game against 4.0 server. With 5.0 groundstrokes and volleys, he might win a few points against 4.0 gs and volleyer, but will not be able stitch together a game.
 

tonylg

Legend
How does one have 5.0 returns and 4.0 groundstrokes?
Talked about this the other night. I played a big server and he noted that I made 100% of backhand returns and nearly all forehand, while crushing some of his best serves.

In general, I'm not that good off the ground, mostly because I'm not as fast as I used to be, but also because of depth perception. On the serve depth perception is less important .. unless you're trying the sabre.

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travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
No, it doesn’t. Sorry, but your groundstrokes are better than 4.0.
My backhand, yes. But I was referring to my forehand wing. My topspin forehand as a stand-alone shot is actually not better than 4.0 (remember, you were out-hitting me when we played straight-ahead half-court baseline points to take lateral movement out of the picture). My forehand slice return is pretty solid though, and gets more impressive the higher the level of the serve.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
My backhand, yes. But I was referring to my forehand wing. My topspin forehand as a stand-alone shot is actually not better than 4.0. My forehand slice return is pretty solid though, and gets more impressive the higher the level of the serve.
Exactly. So that’s not exactly 4.0, buddy. If it was a 4.0 fh, it would get abused and it doesn’t. Happy new year, my friend! :)
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
How does one have 5.0 returns and 4.0 groundstrokes?
Consider the case of a slicer. My forehand was lousy, but I was pretty decent at getting the ball back with good accuracy with a chip forehand. A few years ago, I committed fully to the forehand slice on that wing on every single return. My forehand return got really good after that -- the bigger the serve, the better I was. The higher the bounce, and the easier it is for me to hit down on my slice return with more power. I actually like hard heavy serves because I can use the power. In singles I am now actually equally confident returning on both wings. But my topspin forehand is still relatively lousy, and I try to avoid getting in cross-court forehand rallies against good players.
 
Consider the case of a slicer. My forehand was lousy, but I was pretty decent at getting the ball back with good accuracy with a chip forehand. A few years ago, I committed fully to the forehand slice on that wing on every single return. My forehand return got really good after that -- the bigger the serve, the better I was. The higher the bounce, and the easier it is for me to hit down on my slice return with more power. I actually like hard heavy serves because I can use the power. In singles I am now actually equally confident returning on both wings. But my topspin forehand is still relatively lousy, and I try to avoid getting in cross-court forehand rallies against good players.
On your FH, do you switch to TS for passing shots?

Stevie Johnson, for example, hits most BHs with slice but switches to TS when the opponent comes to the net.
 
Consider the case of a slicer. My forehand was lousy, but I was pretty decent at getting the ball back with good accuracy with a chip forehand. A few years ago, I committed fully to the forehand slice on that wing on every single return. My forehand return got really good after that -- the bigger the serve, the better I was. The higher the bounce, and the easier it is for me to hit down on my slice return with more power. I actually like hard heavy serves because I can use the power. In singles I am now actually equally confident returning on both wings. But my topspin forehand is still relatively lousy, and I try to avoid getting in cross-court forehand rallies against good players.
Sounds similar to me. I tend to slice aggressively on FH return of serves. Less margin for erro than a big topspin FH return. If I have more time I go topspin. BH is more reliable so I have a swing on that side.

I found it is better to make more returns deep overall rather than hit one or two topspin winners and miss a lot more.

I also seldom have cross court FH rallies. I usually soak up power and redirect on my FH and attack off the BH wing. I'm better on inside out FH though as I usually play add court in doubles
 

ontologist

New User
Lol this isn’t how ntrp ratings work. you can be a level and have a weak shot, but that doesn’t make the shot a lower rating. Being a 4.0 is based on match results, not quality of a particular shot
 

AnyPUG

Professional
How many posts addressed the OP question in a rational/reasonable manner? tbh, just too many juvenile and/or irrelevant responses to a very interestingly formed question.
 
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