Who would win?
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Cooper_Tecnifibre4
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Verdasco! easy!
ARIARAIDEN
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I would say Verdasco
Clay lover
Legend
I don't think it's fair to put them on the same surface as some excel on other surfaces. ON hard I would say Del Potro. Grass, Federer and clay, Nadal easily.
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meg0529
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Rogi for sure. Although Rafa did win the olympics that year. I'm still going with Fed, but I don't think Rafa would get crushed.
tacou
G.O.A.T.
well Gonzo lost to 07 Fed, and 06 Fed was better.
06 Fed seems the way to go, however how often did he face a player of these calibers (i.e. big hitting HC players playing at 120%)?
Nadal on clay and grass? I'm assuming he'd get killed if he wasn't even playing the right style.
so I take those 3 out.
Out of Verdasco, Tsonga and Del Potro...I pick Tsonga for 2 reasons, first because while Del Potro played a great tournament to win USO, his only true crushing performance was against Nadal. Also both Fena and Juan were playing huge from the baseline, whereas Tsonga was hitting big AND playing the net like a mad man.
interesting/unanswerable scenario
06 Fed seems the way to go, however how often did he face a player of these calibers (i.e. big hitting HC players playing at 120%)?
Nadal on clay and grass? I'm assuming he'd get killed if he wasn't even playing the right style.
so I take those 3 out.
Out of Verdasco, Tsonga and Del Potro...I pick Tsonga for 2 reasons, first because while Del Potro played a great tournament to win USO, his only true crushing performance was against Nadal. Also both Fena and Juan were playing huge from the baseline, whereas Tsonga was hitting big AND playing the net like a mad man.
interesting/unanswerable scenario
Six.One.Tour.90FAN
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TSONGA!!!!!!!
He could hit a drop-shot off anything back then
Alle!
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He could hit a drop-shot off anything back then
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FeVer
Semi-Pro
Well, Gonzo actually showed great touch at the net at AO 07, but because he was able to hit a ridiculous amount of winners (every match) from the baseline he didn't need to come to the net much. The reason why Gonzo lost to Fed in the final was because he dipped or was overawed with the situation/opponent. Without these hindrances, if he played like he did against Haas in the semis, he WOULD have beaten Fed (and, IMO, anyone and everyone else).
Crucially, not only was Fena hitting huge from the back but he was hitting ridiculous amounts of winners, more than Delpo and Tsonga mustered in their respective tournaments.
DEL POTRO - 33 winners 28 unforced errors vs. Nadal US 2009
TSONGA - 48 winners 27 unforced errors vs. Nadal AO 2008
GONZALEZ - 45 winners 3 unforced errors vs. Haas AO 2007
The figures speak for themselves, and what they say about Gonzalez is scary.
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tacou
G.O.A.T.
I just took Gonzalez out because he lost to Federer, who is in this hypothetical discussion
couragewolf
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Tsonga, Gonzalez and Verdasco wouldnt stand a chance. They all proved to be quite weak mentally when the pressure was really on in the big matches in those tournaments.
Tsonga and Verdasco especially could have won those tournaments, had they not blown their opportunities (Tsonga wins first set in the AO final and then becomes error man, Verdasco double faulted his way out of a finals berth)
Tsonga and Verdasco especially could have won those tournaments, had they not blown their opportunities (Tsonga wins first set in the AO final and then becomes error man, Verdasco double faulted his way out of a finals berth)
Federer or Gonzalez. Probably Federer, he straight setted Gonzalez twice in late 2006 and then again in 2007 - all of these victories came during Gonzalez's best ever period of play.
Match up aside, I think in 2006 Federer played better tennis at times than Gonzalez did in that AO 2007 Semi Final. In terms of W/UE stats you'd be hard pressed to find anything more impressive than Gonzalez's performance so I can definitely understand the argument that he would win, I just feel that Federer would be able to dig himself out of a match like that with his shotmaking ability - something that not even Gonzalez of the 2007 AO Semi had.
Match up aside, I think in 2006 Federer played better tennis at times than Gonzalez did in that AO 2007 Semi Final. In terms of W/UE stats you'd be hard pressed to find anything more impressive than Gonzalez's performance so I can definitely understand the argument that he would win, I just feel that Federer would be able to dig himself out of a match like that with his shotmaking ability - something that not even Gonzalez of the 2007 AO Semi had.
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lmao
Would either be Gonzalez or Del Potro. It would depend on the surface but then if it was on anything other than hard, Del Potro and Gonzalez would be in a much different shape. Bit of a stupid question.
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meg0529
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except he's also have to go through everyone else, who were not exactly good match ups
President of Serve/Volley
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Fed 2005.... The best he's ever played.
tacou
G.O.A.T.
but as I said, how often in 05 or 06 did Federer play people who were playing well beyond their capabilities? I agree Fed at his absolute best probably beats anyone, but "06 Federer" is a general statement for the whole year, and I can't remember too many matches where he played AO Tsonga or whoever
ksbh
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He played a few guys playing beyond their capabilities in '05.
Ferrero in Dubai played outrageously well and Federer staved off match points to win:
Set 1 Highlights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEke8TN-6as
Set 2 Highlights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVY201wtsxI&feature=related
Set 3 Highlights Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NExZEwDYdwM&feature=related
Set 3 Highlights Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FJOihGK9-M&feature=related
Another couple of guys playing beyond their capabilities were Suzuki in the Ao and Santoro at the USO - both played great and got straight setted. Agassi in the USO finals was godly for a set and a half and Federer weathered that storm. Can't think of any more off the top of my head except the matches he lost to Safin, Gasquet and Nalbandian - the first and third of whom (and maybe Gasquet too) played the match of their lives.
President of Serve and Volley, just curious, which match/tournament stands out to you in '05 for Federer aside from his play at Wimbledon? Because it's always seemed to me that while his overall level of play in 2005 was perhaps his best ever, he didn't have many (if any) of the kind of God mode performances he had in '03 '04 '06 and '07.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Del Potro much? He was in ridiculous form.
abmk
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shaysrebelII
Professional
Thanks for the links. Awhile back there was a discussion of whether or not Fed had ever come back from match point down to win. I don't recall anyone bringing up this match. Also, it seems like Fed utilized the drop shot quite a bit. The tennis media makes it sound like he's only had the dropper in his arsenal since 2008, but I counted at least three times he used it in this match. For a three set match, that's pretty frequent.
There's also those two famous droppers from his 2005 AO match against Safin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKPZ8U9v7ic&p=97CE427CEC847E96&playnext=1&index=38
And even in 2004 against Agassi at the USO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cUUyyxtw-4&feature=related
I think the forehand drop shot was really the addition to his arsenal rather than the dropshot in general.
he didnt play as well in the final. yes i know roger is a tougher opponent
i would say davydenko from the end of last year, but since that is not a choice, I pick gonzo
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TennisAddict121
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Not to derail the thread but I think Andy Murray 08-present would have a better shot of winning that tournament than anyone on that list. But from that list its gotta be 06 Federer, 06 was just an amazing year and although 08 Nadal was in great form even on hardtop, 06 Federer is just something the world will not see for a while
Interesting thought. Do you say that because Murray doesn't really have any bad matchups on the list?
It should be kept in mind though that Murray lost two big Matches to Verdasco and Gonzalez in 2009 (even though the Gonzo match was on clay).
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