Who's a better clay court player: Djokovic or Kuerten?

Who's better on clay?

  • Djokovic

    Votes: 23 35.4%
  • Kuerten

    Votes: 42 64.6%

  • Total voters
    65

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Seriously, I think I'll have to rewatch some of Guga's best matches at RG because the way some people talk about him on here anyone would think he was the second coming of Christ or something. I mean I remember him being good but not that good. :confused:
At his best, he was brilliant. You will find plenty of weaknesses too in his matches overall.
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
Seriously, I think I'll have to rewatch some of Guga's best matches at RG because the way some people talk about him on here anyone would think he was the second coming of Christ or something. I mean I remember him being good but not that good. :confused:

He was very good but not sure if better than Djokovic. Both Federer and Djokovic have less numbers on clay because of Nadal. Nadal of course would have also achieved a lot more on hard court without Djokovic.
 

Mediterranean Might

Professional
Kuerten based on achievements, but I think Novak has a very serious case here. I mean he ran into Nadal 9 times at the French and even so was still successful there and has won many clay masters as well with wins over Nadal.

Pains me a bit to say, but I really think it’s Novak
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
I don’t think you can compare. Just like the Wimbledon courts have got slower many clay courts now play quicker. The players have got faster and the racquets less cumbersome. Have a look at how slow a clay court match between Vilas and anybody else looks like to watch now. It’s extremely slow.
I will say that Guga is more part of the Thomas Muster era of clay brilliance, and Andre was the next instalment in first strike tennis. where’s Novak and his rivals are in the next gen type of athletes
 

ChrisRF

Legend
If we only go by RG titles, then obviously Kuerten.

But if we put things into perspective, then just as obviously Djokovic. The big difference is Nadal, as always on clay. If Djokovic wouldn't have to play in an era with Nadal, he could have Borg numbers on clay. If Kuerten would have to play against Nadal, he would have 1 RG title at best, and not against Nadal himself, but rather in a Federer 2009 style. No one-handed backhand player would beat Nadal at RG.

Even in pure numbers it's really only RG for Kuerten. In Masters it's 10-4 for Djokovic, even though he played in an era with Nadal.
 

spottishwood

Hall of Fame
Gustavo Kuerten was the sort of player who would have to find the groove. He couldn't just show up and deliver like flicking a switch as the big 3 do so often. Sometimes he was flat throughout. In groove, Kuerten could beat anybody.

Michael Russell was one point away from beating Kuerten in straight sets at the 2001 French Open. Kuerten had been flat. The 26-stroke rally to save match point started changing things round. In the final against Corretja, Corretja won the first set and Kuerten won a close second set to make it 1-1 in sets. Corretja failing to make it 2-0 was costly, as Kuerten then surged 6-2, 6-0 in the next 2 sets.
Wasn't he down 1 sets to 2 and 0-3 against JCF in the RG'00 SF(?) also, then took a MTO and went on to win the match :unsure:.
 

Phoenix*

Professional
Lol break it down by slams and Nadal leads in 2 slams and Djokovic leads in 2 slams
Yea but Djokovic leads on 2 surfaces. And he has beaten Nadal at every slam. Nadal is a 0 at AO.

The point of the comment was that Djokovic has beaten Nadal in important matches on his best surface - RG and clay in general.
 

zuluzazu

Hall of Fame
Yea but Djokovic leads on 2 surfaces. And he has beaten Nadal at every slam. Nadal is a 0 at AO.

The point of the comment was that Djokovic has beaten Nadal in important matches on his best surface - RG and clay in general.
Nadal has beaten Djokovic on his best surface and even leads the H2H at USO lol
 

zuluzazu

Hall of Fame
His best surface is AO and he hasn't beaten him.
Lol I expected this amount of ignorance from you. When I said that in individual slams Nadal leads at 2 slams and Djokovic at 2 slams, you said to look at surface and when I look at surface you say to look at individual slams. There is no way of twisting the fact that at slams, Nadal > Djokovic however strong mental gymnastics you try.
 

l0s3

Rookie
Without injuries Kuerten would have 4-5 FO titles. Outside of FO and consistency wise djokovic is ahead. Peak wise Kuerten is better. Could go either way
 

Phoenix*

Professional
Lol I expected this amount of ignorance from you. When I said that in individual slams Nadal leads at 2 slams and Djokovic at 2 slams, you said to look at surface and when I look at surface you say to look at individual slams. There is no way of twisting the fact that at slams, Nadal > Djokovic however strong mental gymnastics you try.
Djokovic has beaten Nadal at every slam, Nadal hasn't.

Therefore at slams Djokovic>Nadal.
 

Phoenix*

Professional
i guess we have to * novak's wimbledon 2021 too since Nadal wasn't there. two can play this game my friend. so if we are doing *, it is nadal 20 > novak 19 then.
Nadal wasn't a 3 times defending champion at Wimbledon. And he hasn't won it in over a decade. Nice try.
 

Thedesertfox

Professional
If we only go by RG titles, then obviously Kuerten.

But if we put things into perspective, then just as obviously Djokovic. The big difference is Nadal, as always on clay. If Djokovic wouldn't have to play in an era with Nadal, he could have Borg numbers on clay. If Kuerten would have to play against Nadal, he would have 1 RG title at best, and not against Nadal himself, but rather in a Federer 2009 style. No one-handed backhand player would beat Nadal at RG.

Even in pure numbers it's really only RG for Kuerten. In Masters it's 10-4 for Djokovic, even though he played in an era with Nadal.
Yes but Guga's career was effectively destroyed by injuries past 2003
 

BauerAlmeida

Hall of Fame
Kuerten higher peak, Djokovic superior consistency.



Djokovic has a higher peak on clay than Nadal.

No, he doesn't. Nobody does. Mabe Borg, but it's hard to compare two eras so different, he has the record of fewer games lost at Roland Garros so he has a case at least.

Broken Guga schooled peak Fed at RG in 2004. Since the 7th best version of Fed on clay beat peak Novak in 2011, Guga > Novak.

Federer RG 2011 is not even close to being the 7th best version of Federer on clay, in fact it's very close to the top. He won one set vs Nadal and had SP in another one, that's his best performance against him there. Not to mention this reasoning is stupid anyway. In 2012 Djokovic straight setted Federer.
 
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