Who's greater: Nole or Rafa?

Who is greater - Nole or Rafa?


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InsideOut900

Hall of Fame
But you don't get to discount clay, as your statement above the bolded shows. If you're going to say Nole>Pete because of clay, then you have to accept Rafa leads h2h over Nole on clay, and overall slam count therefore Rafa>Nole
He hasn't sealed the lead over his rival (yet).
It's not really about dismissing clay. But the H2H is unbalanced, so it's not an accurate enough measure to be taken into account.

It is the sole metric that counts particular instances over showing the full picture.

Or if you want the short version, 2 matches at AO and 8 matches at RG.
 

Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
If I vote for Djokovic, it's probably just bias. Half of the votes for Nadal or Djokovic came by their fans who didn't even want to think about this matter.

I could just vote equal.
I see, yes we can note most of the obvious fanboys of the two players voting for their fave. (Lew a notable exception)
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
Only 46-35 in Rafa's favour, with two extra slams for the Spaniard.

Methinks the poll would tip in Nole's favour, were he to be one slam behind.
The way I see it, Rafa needs to win this coming RG, which I do believe he will win and quite convincingly, however, should the unthinkable happen and he doesn't win, then Djokovic is taking over and he will be taking over quickly.
 

clout

Hall of Fame
Rafa is still ahead as of now cuz of 20>18 but I wouldn't be surprised if Djoker overtook him soon. Rafa has significantly more arguments over Fed than he does over Djoker tbh
 

GabeT

Legend
I see them as roughly equal. Both have incredible achievements the other doesn’t. Nadal has a better record in clay and Novak in HC and grass which places Novak ahead in 2 of 3 surfaces and in a surface that represents 70% of the tour. But Nadal’s record in clay and the FO are something beyond anything Novak has accomplished.
 

ADuck

Hall of Fame
If you're a better player, you have a better capability of winning slams. So as it stands, Nadal is greater AND better player overall even when 70% of the tour is comprised of Novak's favorite surface. People think that argument should be a detriment to Nadal but actually it's a detriment to Novak. If Novak equals Nadal in slams then I will concede he is better as his achievements outside slams push him above.
 

lucky13

Rookie
If you're a better player, you have a better capability of winning slams. So as it stands, Nadal is greater AND better player overall even when 70% of the tour is comprised of Novak's favorite surface. People think that argument should be a detriment to Nadal but actually it's a detriment to Novak. If Novak equals Nadal in slams then I will concede he is better as his achievements outside slams push him above.
only the best player is the no1! and nole has been no1 for 2 whole years longer than rafa. it is 50% longer than rafa has been. he has only 10% less slams and also lost the chance to take wimbl last year as a big favorite.

that and:

6 ye#1
2 golden masters
nole slam
atp best season, 2015
atp best year, w2015-rg2016
atp points record, 16950
h2h
 

ADuck

Hall of Fame
only the best player is the no1! and nole has been no1 for 2 whole years longer than rafa. it is 50% longer than rafa has been. he has only 10% less slams and also lost the chance to take wimbl last year as a big favorite.
no.1 shows the best player over the past 52 weeks, it doesn't show who the best player is over an entire career.
 

lucky13

Rookie
no.1 shows the best player over the past 52 weeks, it doesn't show who the best player is over an entire career.
but it clearly shows that rafa has been the best player for 4 years while nole has been the best for 6 years, during their respective careers. that is a significant margin.

the fact is that no one has been the best in the world longer than nole and that 5 other players have been the best in the world longer than rafa! and the 2 are basically the same generation!
 

ADuck

Hall of Fame
but it clearly shows that rafa has been the best player for 4 years while nole has been the best for 6 years, during their respective careers. that is a significant margin.
But Rafa is doing significantly better than Novak in years where they are not ranked no.1 by an even greater margin
 

lucky13

Rookie
But Rafa is doing significantly better than Novak in years where they are not ranked no.1 by an even greater margin
ye#1: 6 vs 5 (20% more)
weeks: 320+ vs 209 (50+% more)
slams: 18 vs 20 (10% less)
WTF + OG: 5 vs 1 (400% more)
masters: 36 vs 35
masters: 9/9 x2 vs 7(6)/9
all 4 slams at the same time: 1 vs 0
h2h: 29 vs 27
 

ADuck

Hall of Fame
ye#1: 6 vs 5 (20% more)
weeks: 320+ vs 209 (50+% more)
slams: 18 vs 20 (10% less)
WTF + OG: 5 vs 1 (400% more)
masters: 36 vs 35
masters: 9/9 x2 vs 7(6)/9
all 4 slams at the same time: 1 vs 0
h2h: 29 vs 27
Aim of tennis is to win tournaments and Nadal has won more important ones, for me 2 slams + OG > 5WTF and 1 master
 

Lebsta

Rookie
Rafa is still greater, more slams and more titles won. The 4th US Open finally eliminated any argument that he's only great on clay. Although it's not quantiviable, Rafa also made a greater impact in terms of changing the game and perception of what a tennis player could be. His iconic rivalry with Fed still remains the most sacred entity within tennis for many fans, reaching out to non tennis fans as well.

Novak has the statistical greatness, but will he really be remembered or revered as fondly as Rafa or Fed when they all retire? I say no in this regard.

Of course he'll have to stay ahead of Novak in the slam race which is why this year's FO is his most crucial yet. If he can just keep pace with Novak for another two years then that should be good enough. Another win at Wimbledon and Australian would solidify his GOAT status but he must stay ahead of Novak.

Rafa must win at least the French this year, That is his most crucial priority.
 

Lebsta

Rookie
"Greater" as in strictly tennis achievements? Djokovic, he might be down 2 slams, but his resume is far more complete than Rafa's.

"Greater" as in also transcended sports (to become a global icon)? Rafa, because Djokovic can win 40 slams, he'll never reach that status.
Exactly when all is said and done, Rafa will be more revered that Djokovic will ever be, no matter how may slams he wins by.
 

Druss

Hall of Fame
I'll wait until they retire to answer the question. Right now it's just too close to make a call.
 
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