Who's had the better 2024? #2 Zverev or #3 Alcaraz?

Which player is doing better this year?

  • Zverev

  • Alcaraz

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Aussie Darcy

Aussie Darcy

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As the thread title says, who's done better this year and what would you rather?

Be Zverev - the #2 in the world with 0 slams, 1 Masters and 1 slam runner up?

Or

Be Alcaraz, #3 in the world with 2 slams, 1 Masters and Olympic Silver?

Zverev is out in front as the #2 in the world despite no slams while Alcaraz is #3 with his 2 slams.

Poll is there to vote :)
 
This poll is a little confused. "Who's had the better 2024?" is not the same question as, "Who has had the better 12 months of results going into his computer ranking?" I think you need to decide whether you want to attack the ranking system as it is, which implies a 12-month analysis of all results, or just argue about 2024 to date as a discrete period.
 
Numbers is king. Zverev it is. Unless, of course, there is a purer source of truth...

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JMR said:
This poll is a little confused. "Who's had the better 2024?" is not the same question as, "Who has had the better 12 months of results going into his computer ranking?" I think you need to decide whether you want to attack the ranking system as it is, which implies a 12-month analysis of all results, or just argue about 2024 to date as a discrete period.
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Actually it's the same because Zverev is #2 in both the 2024 race rankings as well as being #2 in the standards rankings. So the poll is not confused and says what it says. Who's had the better 2024? That's what you vote on.
 
it is just no1 that counts so sinner! and he would have better/greater year even if he did not won USO but got YE#1!
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Funnily enough, not a poll option! :unsure::-D
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and he would have better/greater year even if he did not won USO but got YE#1!

most people thought that muzza had greater seson than nole 2016 despite less slams and H2H. and i am with. i think that YE#1 is at least as great as slams (actually greater)!
 
No ranking system is flawless, but the ATP system is well-developed and transparent.
Every match is worth specific points, making it far superior to relying on biased feelings.
Bean counting goes nowhere.
 
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Neptune said:
No ranking system is flawless, but the ATP system is well-developed and transparent.
Every match is worth specific points, making it far superior to relying on biased feelings.
Bean counting goes nowhere.
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Very true, let us know in the poll who you think has had the better 2024.

Would you prefer 2 slams, a Masters and Olympic silver or no slams, 1 Masters and that's it?

:)
 
Arak said:
Of course I would rather have two slams. I always thought the rankings serve no purpose other than decide the draws at tournaments.
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What sucks most is that come the next Masters we could have Sinner and Alcaraz in the same half because Zverev is occupying the 2nd spot.

We deserve Sinner v Alcaraz as the top 2 seeds in tournaments facing off in the final but instead we have Zverev occupying the spot now :(
 
Anybody would pick two Slams over 0 but it's basic math, not some chink the armor. Zverev has already played 18 tournaments this year to Alcaraz's 12, therefore edging him in total points. Alcaraz has to either play more tournaments or do better in the ones he's played.
 
NoleFam said:
Anybody would pick two Slams over 0 but it's basic math, not some kink the armor. Zverev has already played 18 tournaments this year to Alcaraz's 12, therefore edging him in total points. Alacraz has to either play more tournaments or do better in the ones he's played.
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You know injuries happen right? Alcaraz missed not one, not two but 3 Masters tournaments this year. Zverev played them all, but still couldn't win more than 1 Masters and no slams. Embarrassing.
 
I don't have a problem with the ranking systems looking at total results and not just majors.

Popyrin is a good example. There are probably a few players ranked above him who would trade their ranking for an M1000 win. But one tournament (or even two) shouldn't outweigh results everywhere else.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
What sucks most is that come the next Masters we could have Sinner and Alcaraz in the same half because Zverev is occupying the 2nd spot.

We deserve Sinner v Alcaraz as the top 2 seeds in tournaments facing off in the final but instead we have Zverev occupying the spot now :(
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But that’s why top players try to reach the first two positions. It’s on Alcaraz that he didn’t play enough tournaments for various reasons.
 
Arak said:
But that’s why top players try to reach the first two positions. It’s on Alcaraz that he didn’t play enough tournaments for various reasons.
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This is my point too. Alcaraz has had a great year but there is no excuse losing to players like Monfils or botnic early.

Same with losing to draper early at queens. He does a bit better in those events he’s no2. He has to take some blame as you say in allowing Zverev to be no2.
 
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Aussie Darcy said:
You know injuries happen right? Alcaraz missed not one, not two but 3 Masters tournaments this year. Zverev played them all, but still couldn't win more than 1 Masters and no slams. Embarrassing.
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Not everybody is as good as Alcaraz but it doesn’t make Zverev "embarrassing". I don't understand the point of this thread. Not Zverev's problem if he's fit enough to play more tournaments and be #2 and Alcaraz wasn't.
 
Obviously Carlos. A better poll would be Sinner (2 slams and #1 ranking) vs Carlos (2 slams and a medal).
 
NoleFam said:
Not everybody is as good as Alcaraz but it doesn’t make Zverev "embarrassing". I don't understand the point of this thread. Not Zverev's problem if he's fit enough to play more tournaments and be #2 and Alcaraz wasn't.
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Thread is who you think has had the better 2024 and what accomplishments this year you'd rather have.

What's gotten Zverev to #2?
Or what's gotten Alcaraz to #3?
 
Pheasant said:
Alcaraz now leads 23-0. I don't think I've ever seen a shutout in a poll before.
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So very glad, people earlier on a different thread were trying to say that Zverev was the 2nd best player in the world because he was #2 despite everything Alcaraz did this year. Crickets now.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
This is my point too. Alcaraz has had a great year but there is no excuse losing to players like Monfils or botnic early.

Same with losing to draper early at queens. He does a bit better in those events he’s no2. He has to take some blame as you say in allowing Zverev to be no2.
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As opposed to Zverev losing to Cerundolo or Garin or Altmaier?

We can clearly see the points difference is because Alcaraz was injured for 3 Masters. Meanwhile Zverev has played everything and had terrible losses himself and gotten no slams and no extra Masters..
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Thread is who you think has had the better 2024 and what accomplishments this year you'd rather have.

What's gotten Zverev to #2?
Or what's gotten Alcaraz to #3?
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That's a really a no brainer question since everyone would choose Alcaraz. I remember Venus Williams being #3 in summer 2000 when she was dominating but no one would have taken Hingis or Davenport's years over hers.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Wonder how high this poll can get. Glad this forum realizes how bad the ranking system currently is ;)
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But it's not about the ranking system.

If Djokovic were to win the Australian Open next year and not play another match, would that mean he should be ranked higher than the players who played well at all the majors?
 
Aabye5 said:
But it's not about the ranking system.

If Djokovic were to win the Australian Open next year and not play another match, would that mean he should be ranked higher than the players who played well at all the majors?
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That's a one off event, this is based off multiple events. And i'm just pointing out the accomplishments of the players to get to their respective spots.
 
It is possible for someone to win all 4 grand slams in the same year and still not be ranked #1.

8000 pts = win all 4 grand slams
9000 pts = win all 9 grand slams.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
That's a one off event, this is based off multiple events. And i'm just pointing out the accomplishments of the players to get to their respective spots.
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Exactly -- multiple events. Across many events, Zverev has outperformed Alcaraz. We don't just count the majors in the point system, and we shouldn't.
 
2 slams to 0 already makes it a no brainer. The rest doesn't matter, and it is not like Zverev had this unbelievable year outside of slams, or Alcarez didn't win another tournament.
 
You asked two questions, one in the title, other one in the poll. I've answered the poll - Zverev is doing better. Otherwise, Alcaraz had the better year. It's not quite the same.
 
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