Who's had the better 2024? #2 Zverev or #3 Alcaraz?

Which player is doing better this year?

  • Zverev

  • Alcaraz

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BlueB said:
You asked two questions, one in the title, other one in the poll. I've answered the poll - Zverev is doing better. Otherwise, Alcaraz had the better year. It's not quite the same.
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Of course Alcaraz, but in terms of rankings it is what it is. It's less than 400 points difference and about 100 in terms of the Race to Turin.

Zverev has been more consistent throughout. Alcaraz had 3 good tournaments and that's it. You can also wonder how someone with 2 slams and 1 Masters has so few ranking points. You could even argue that the level difference is not as big as the results on average.

The most important thing here is; Zverev has very few points for a #2 ranked player, and Alcaraz has very few points for a player with two slam titles. The only player who has been truly consistent the whole season has been Sinner and he's well ahead at this point.

The only thing to say here is that the Olympics not having ranking points is the deciding factor at this moment.
 
You have to have a ranking system, otherwise it become arbitrary rankings, which is a mess. What is in place right now, has petty good weighing and represents the consistency throughout the 1 year period. So yes, you could be "doing better" while someone else had "the better year".

The only exception I could see implemented is the Slam seedings, somewhat like the WTF - if you hold a slam title(s), you are automatically seeded into top 4, accordingly. In other words, comes AO, Raz and Sinn would be 1 and 2, no matter what they do from here.
 
The ranking system exists for a reason, and the tennis calendar is more than 8 weeks

The easy "fix" to this is to make Slam wins worth 10000 points, but that is not at all useful
 
BVSlam said:
Of course Alcaraz, but in terms of rankings it is what it is. It's less than 400 points difference and about 100 in terms of the Race to Turin.

Zverev has been more consistent throughout. Alcaraz had 3 good tournaments and that's it. You can also wonder how someone with 2 slams and 1 Masters has so few ranking points. You could even argue that the level difference is not as big as the results on average.

The most important thing here is; Zverev has very few points for a #2 ranked player, and Alcaraz has very few points for a player with two slam titles. The only player who has been truly consistent the whole season has been Sinner and he's well ahead at this point.

The only thing to say here is that the Olympics not having ranking points is the deciding factor at this moment.
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Why do people keep saying this about Carlos? 3 good tournaments? He didn't lose 1R at every other tournament he played. He won Olympic silver. QF at the Aus Open, QF's in Madrid and Miami. That's decent.

The reason is because Alcaraz missed 3 Masters tournaments this year.
 
Where are the folks that say numbers are really important ? The person with the higher number in points for the ranking is Zed
 
jm1980 said:
The ranking system exists for a reason, and the tennis calendar is more than 8 weeks

The easy "fix" to this is to make Slam wins worth 10000 points, but that is not at all useful
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May be this forum overrates majors ? Probably in ATP's eyes a major is worth just 2 masters and a major runner up is marginally better than a masters winner ?
 
BlueB said:
You have to have a ranking system, otherwise it become arbitrary rankings, which is a mess. What is in place right now, has petty good weighing and represents the consistency throughout the 1 year period. So yes, you could be "doing better" while someone else had "the better year".

The only exception I could see implemented is the Slam seedings, somewhat like the WTF - if you hold a slam title(s), you are automatically seeded into top 4, accordingly. In other words, comes AO, Raz and Sinn would be 1 and 2, no matter what they do from here.
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There is an easy solution - give each slam champion 500 more points and we'll most probably avoid situations like 2024 (Alcaraz could have missed #1 even with 3 slams) and 2022 (Ruud with 0 slam was 1 good Sinner shot away from #1).

ATP won't do this. They have increased slam runner-up points from 1200 to 1300 instead. Good news for Zed, Ruud, Tsitsi and co.
 
BVSlam said:
Of course Alcaraz, but in terms of rankings it is what it is. It's less than 400 points difference and about 100 in terms of the Race to Turin.

Zverev has been more consistent throughout. Alcaraz had 3 good tournaments and that's it. You can also wonder how someone with 2 slams and 1 Masters has so few ranking points. You could even argue that the level difference is not as big as the results on average.

The most important thing here is; Zverev has very few points for a #2 ranked player, and Alcaraz has very few points for a player with two slam titles. The only player who has been truly consistent the whole season has been Sinner and he's well ahead at this point.

The only thing to say here is that the Olympics not having ranking points is the deciding factor at this moment.
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sinners clay season prpves otherwise
 
ND-13 said:
May be this forum overrates majors ? Probably in ATP's eyes a major is worth just 2 masters and a major runner up is marginally better than a masters winner ?
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This isn't really because of how major wins are valued relative to other ATP tournaments. A major has been worth 2 masters since 2000.

This is more because the ATP increased the points for non-winning (F, SF, QF, R16, etc.) finishes across the board starting this year.

With the previous ranking system, Alcaraz would have been 350 points ahead of Zverev in the race, instead of 100 points behind.
_phantom said:
There is an easy solution - give each slam champion 500 more points and we'll most probably avoid situations like 2024 (Alcaraz could have missed #1 even with 3 slams) and 2022 (Ruud with 0 slam was 1 good Sinner shot away from #1).

ATP won't do this. They have increased slam runner-up points from 1200 to 1300 instead. Good news for Zed, Ruud, Tsitsi and co.
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Indeed. This is a long needed redistribution of points.

You shouldn't be able to just play the majors and then half ass the rest of the season
 
onehandbh said:
It is possible for someone to win all 4 grand slams in the same year and still not be ranked #1.

8000 pts = win all 4 grand slams
9000 pts = win all 9 grand slams.
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The #1 player could reach and lose all the slam finals plus all the other significant finals
 
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zagor said:
I could agree with 1500.

1000 at the very least, it makes a mess out of whole pre-USO scheduling but gives no points. Kinda ridiculous.
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It would step on Toronto/Montreal/maybe the Real Slam toes even more. Those tournaments are more vital to the players’ ranking points/earnings/development since they happen annually.
 
jm1980 said:
This isn't really because of how major wins are valued relative to other ATP tournaments. A major has been worth 2 masters since 2000.

This is more because the ATP increased the points for non-winning (F, SF, QF, R16, etc.) finishes across the board starting this year.

With the previous ranking system, Alcaraz would have been 350 points ahead of Zverev in the race, instead of 100 points behind.

Indeed. This is a long needed redistribution of points.

You shouldn't be able to just play the majors and then half ass the rest of the season
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Great post, didn't realize ATP had increased the points this year. ATP now give the male SFists more points than the WTA give the female SFists. Bizarre.
 
ChrisJR3264 said:
are we serious here?
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Semi serious. Mostly did it because I had Sinner fans saying Zverev is the second best player in the world since he's #2 in the rankings. So I wanted to see if people would rather have Alcaraz's year or Zverev's year.

Because the rankings do have Zverev as #2 but I don't think many people believe he's 2nd best behind Sinner and that he's ahead of Alcaraz.
 
Im(moral) Winner said:
The #1 player could reach and lose all the slam finals plus all the other significant finals
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In my scenario, the #2 ranked player could win all 4 slams and lose early or not play any of the masters 1000s.

And the #1 ranked player could lose in the 1st round in all 4 slams but win 9 masters 1000s.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Semi serious. Mostly did it because I had Sinner fans saying Zverev is the second best player in the world since he's #2 in the rankings. So I wanted to see if people would rather have Alcaraz's year or Zverev's year.

Because the rankings do have Zverev as #2 but I don't think many people believe he's 2nd best behind Sinner and that he's ahead of Alcaraz.
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Carlos won two grand slam titles and IW - two of those he defended successfully.

Carlos , outside of Australia - had more points to defend. Zverev had a very good year. Atp 1000 title and maybe a 250. Reach a GS final.
Bc of the computer system and his 2023 season was more coming back , he had more points to gain this year. Also an Olympic year on clay and Carlos made the final there as well (which probably impacted his performance in US like it did to most but had more recovery time losing when they did ).
 
JMR said:
This poll is a little confused. "Who's had the better 2024?" is not the same question as, "Who has had the better 12 months of results going into his computer ranking?" I think you need to decide whether you want to attack the ranking system as it is, which implies a 12-month analysis of all results, or just argue about 2024 to date as a discrete period.
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Zverev is ahead of Carlitos on both
 
jm1980 said:
You shouldn't be able to just play the majors and then half ass the rest of the season
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That's what ATP is trying to enforce. However the top 2 or 3 players aren't going to conform. By top 3, I mean Sinner, Alcaraz, and Djokovic right now regardless of their ranking positions.

I sense that Sinner and Alcaraz are already showing apathy towards Masters tournaments, something the Big 3 only started showing near the end of their careers.

Today we can still look at the rankings and pretend or debate that Zverev might be the second best player in the world. But if this trend continues, the rankings will become more insignificant in discussions and won't reflect the true hierarchy of players in any meaningful way.
 
Ivan Lendl was the year end #1 in 1989 according to the ranking points, but we all know who the real number one was. Zverev's case is even worse as he failed to win anything significant (bar Rome).
 
It's simple. All because of Alcaraz didn't gain any points by winning Wimbledon he just protected from last year.

These are the reasons why ranking points kind of meaningless for me never care it should be different

Deceiving and doesn't tell that one having better year than the other.
 
Phenomenal said:
I realized this lately but actually this is the real rating it should be more relevant, promoted whatever.


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Sinner Zverev then Alcaraz Djokovic is 9th.

Zverev still ahead but only 105 points. Olympics should give points kinda dumb not to give it. Both Alcaraz and Djokovic would have more points.
 
In a way, Alcaraz has best year ever, since he's won two slam this year. No matter what the rankings say, Zverev got to be down on himself, since he lost two straight slams to Fritz. And there's no easy way out of the rut.

BTW, Fritz being the highest ranked American. there's no light at the end of the tunnel. Must Americans wait another 20 years?
 
Djokovic. He literally completed the game of tennis by beating Nadal and Alcaraz on Philippe Chatrier for Olympics Gold. Can't get any more epic than that.
 
The modern ranking system sucks; Zverev's taken advantage of it. There's nothing more rewarding in tennis than winning a GS which Zverev's never been able to accomplish; Carlos's got two of those this year. So much who's had a better year.
 
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