Who's left in USO 2017

falstaff78

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Who is left in USO (pre-QFs)


Hasn't lost a set
PCB


Greater than 2% chance with bookies to win USO
Rafael Nadal 36%
Roger Federer 32%
Sam Querrey 9%
Juan Martin del Potro 8%
Kevin Anderson 7%
Pablo Carreno Busta 5%
Diego Sebastian Schwartzman 3%
Andrey Rublev 2%

Highest title won
Rafael Nadal 2000
Roger Federer 2000
Juan Martin del Potro 2000
Sam Querrey 500


Seeds
Nadal 1
Federer 3
PCB 12
Querrey 17
Delpo 24
Anderson 28
Schwartzmann 29
 
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Ripster

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Boom-Boom said:
Beware of Pouille in the second half draw
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Yeah, he seems to be finding his game all of a sudden. He has a scary all court game when he's firing on all cylinders.

Not sure why Nadal is rated so high, I don't see him winning at all. There are a number of players that can take him out on a fast hardcourt.
 
Tshooter

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Rublev is a major whiner. Everything bothers him. I think he started to lose it during the warmup. They need to tweak the Russian tennis robot algorithm to fix the mental aspect. Also throw in a few more facial gestures because he always looks pissed.

On the upside he played fast so I got to see Nick "play" for a half a set. The Bryan's are total pros so they just do their thing and ignore him.
 
Mustard

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It's such an odd tournament, like being back at the 2002 Australian Open. Nadal is strange in this tournament, sometimes looking so poor, nervous and out of sorts, and at other times looking world number 1 and tournament favourite. Federer is similar, although much better tonight. And that bottom half of the draw is very interesting, wondering which one is reaching the final.

The whole tournament feels completely unpredictable, which is unprecedented for a major in this epoch.
 
sbengte

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Mustard said:
It's such an odd tournament, like being back at the 2002 Australian Open. Nadal is strange in this tournament, sometimes looking so poor, nervous and out of sorts, and at other times looking world number 1 and tournament favourite. Federer is similar, although much better tonight. And that bottom half of the draw is very interesting, wondering which one is reaching the final.

The whole tournament feels completely unpredictable, which is unprecedented for a major in this epoch.
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It is as predictable as USO 2010 or USO 2013 was. Yawn.
 
stringertom

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sbengte said:
It is as predictable as USO 2010 or USO 2013 was. Yawn.
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Yeah, the Fedovic SF was extremely predictable with 2 MPs saved/blown depending on your perspective. Had fedr won, that final would have been a toss up.

2013 was predictable but ndl this year can be beaten. Also, the bottom half is totally unpredictable like its 2010 cousin. Had Troicki not choked a 2-1 sets lead to Djokovic, we most probably would have had the first Fedal meeting in that final. Anybody but Djokovic in that SF and fedr probably enters the final without dropping a set.
 
Wynter

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Ripster said:
Yeah, he seems to be finding his game all of a sudden. He has a scary all court game when he's firing on all cylinders.

Not sure why Nadal is rated so high, I don't see him winning at all. There are a number of players that can take him out on a fast hardcourt.
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Probably first time he's been at full fitness almost the entire season. Injury at the AO derailed him for months.
 
sbengte

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stringertom said:
Yeah, the Fedovic SF was extremely predictable with 2 MPs saved/blown depending on your perspective. Had fedr won, that final would have been a toss up.

2013 was predictable but ndl this year can be beaten. Also, the bottom half is totally unpredictable like its 2010 cousin. Had Troicki not choked a 2-1 sets lead to Djokovic, we most probably would have had the first Fedal meeting in that final. Anybody but Djokovic in that SF and fedr probably enters the final without dropping a set.
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I only meant predictable in terms of the title winner. Based on the state of the field. It was the same then, as it is now.

It is hypothetical alright, but there was no reason to bet on Fed in a slam final against Nadal irrespective of the surface, because he had a mental block unlike 2017erer. This year, if Fed was fully fit, yeah it would be a tossup given their earlier matches this year. His serve is still a bit off, so I am not really sure what to make of his fitness and form.
 
stringertom

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sbengte said:
I only meant predictable in terms of the title winner. Based on the state of the field. It was the same then, as it is now.

It is hypothetical alright, but there was no reason to bet on Fed in a slam final against Nadal irrespective of the surface, because he had a mental block unlike 2017erer. This year, if Fed was fully fit, yeah it would be a tossup given their earlier matches this year. His serve is still a bit off, so I am not really sure what to make of his fitness and form.
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But Nadal had a USO block until 2010, always underperforming at Flushing. He was not a lock that year and he certainly isn't this year based on the MS1000 results and his slow starts vs Daniel and Mayer.
 
sbengte

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stringertom said:
But Nadal had a USO block until 2010, always underperforming at Flushing. He was not a lock that year and he certainly isn't this year based on the MS1000 results and his slow starts vs Daniel and Mayer.
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MS1000 results mean nothing at slams. Which MS1000 did he win before USO 2010 ? Best of 5 is a different beast.

Also it does not matter at all how he is playing , because of his draw. I'd agree if he had semi decent opposition in his quarter like say Querrey , Delpotro, Anderson or even Lopez. Or any big hitter, big server. He has absolutely none. His toughest match will be against a 36 year old with nagging doubts on his form and fitness. What more can you say ?
 
stringertom

stringertom

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sbengte said:
MS1000 results mean nothing at slams. Which MS1000 did he win before USO 2010 ? Best of 5 is a different beast.

Also it does not matter at all how he is playing , because of his draw. I'd agree if he had semi decent opposition in his quarter like say Querrey , Delpotro, Anderson or even Lopez. Or any big hitter, big server. He has absolutely none. His toughest match will be against a 36 year old with nagging doubts on his form and fitness. What more can you say ?
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I can say he needs to take one match at a time and his task tomorrow may be too much for him should he continue to park meters behind the baseline and play his clay game. That strategy won't work in the next round either. Rublev plays a speed Nadal hasn't seen and Goffin, now that he finally seems fit, takes time away from opponents on HCs.

As to fedr, I think he made a big step forward last night. He has a hot player to deal with tomorrow night but I think he will cool him off. If he does, he has another match to prove where his conditioning is at.

Neither top seeds on that side are locks to make the final. And the outcome of any final is still in doubt. For that reason, this USO is growing on me as a most interesting two weeks.
 
BGod

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I'd take Querrey over Nadal in a Final. I really would. The other 3 guys are near guaranteed to lose badly.

Fed or Potro can beat Nadal and it's hard to say which has the better shot but considering court speed it's Federer.
 
sbengte

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stringertom said:
I can say he needs to take one match at a time and his task tomorrow may be too much for him should he continue to park meters behind the baseline and play his clay game. That strategy won't work in the next round either. Rublev plays a speed Nadal hasn't seen and Goffin, now that he finally seems fit, takes time away from opponents on HCs.

As to fedr, I think he made a big step forward last night. He has a hot player to deal with tomorrow night but I think he will cool him off. If he does, he has another match to prove where his conditioning is at.

Neither top seeds on that side are locks to make the final. And the outcome of any final is still in doubt. For that reason, this USO is growing on me as a most interesting two weeks.
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We can agree to disagree.

I picked Nadal to win USO (just based on the state of the field) over a month ago. The way things have panned out, it is looking more or less certain.

If I am proved wrong and Nadal doesn't win, I'm willing to don an avatar that you give me for a month. Will you do the same if Nadal wins ? :)
 
stringertom

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sbengte said:
We can agree to disagree.

I picked Nadal to win USO (just based on the state of the field) over a month ago. The way things have panned out, it is looking more or less certain.

If I am proved wrong and Nadal doesn't win, I'm willing to don an avatar that you give me for a month. Will you do the same if Nadal wins ? :)
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No cheesy bets, please.

Good luck on your prediction.
 
Shank Volley

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For whatever reason I just want Nadal, Federer, and Schwarzman to lose so it can be a free for all with no negative result for me.
 
falstaff78

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sbengte said:
We can agree to disagree.

I picked Nadal to win USO (just based on the state of the field) over a month ago. The way things have panned out, it is looking more or less certain.

If I am proved wrong and Nadal doesn't win, I'm willing to don an avatar that you give me for a month. Will you do the same if Nadal wins ? :)
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certain? bit strong no? bookies giving 2/3ds chance he loses - see OP
 
sbengte

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falstaff78 said:
certain? bit strong no? bookies giving 2/3ds chance he loses - see OP
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Certain. He's won two USOs already with unbelievably cake draws. So far it has looked like this year's draw will top even those.

No seeded player until the QF at least. Shaky Fed or Thiem/Delpo in the semi - he'll get past them.

Against a first time slam finalist in the final - I'd bet my money on Nadal. Now if only if I was into tennis betting and put a good amount on him before the tournament started.
 
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sbengte said:
Certain. He's won two USOs already with unbelievably cake draws. So far it has looked like this year's draw will top even those.

No seeded player until the QF at least. Shaky Fed or Thiem/Delpo in the semi - he'll get past them.

Against a first time slam finalist in the final - I'd bet my money on Nadal. Now if only if I was into tennis betting and put a good amount on him before the tournament started.
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Nadal beat his toughest rival in both the finals to win his 2 USO titles. Meanwhile Fed had to luck out 1 French open when someone took out Nadal, not to mention the cakiest of cakewalk Wimby draw the year. But trust Fed fans to find reasons and excuses for their obnoxious statements.
Lmoa.
 
gn

gn

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GOATzilla said:
Nadal beat his toughest rival in both the finals to win his 2 USO titles. Meanwhile Fed had to luck out 1 French open when someone took out Nadal, not to mention the cakiest of cakewalk Wimby draw the year. But trust Fed fans to find reasons and excuses for their obnoxious statements.
Lmao.
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Fixed. Continue....
 
sbengte

sbengte

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GOATzilla said:
Nadal beat his toughest rival in both the finals to win his 2 USO titles. Meanwhile Fed had to luck out 1 French open when someone took out Nadal, not to mention the cakiest of cakewalk Wimby draw the year. But trust Fed fans to find reasons and excuses for their obnoxious statements.
Lmoa.
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Draw isn't made of 1 player. I am talking of his draw before the finals. Like Gasquet and Youzhny in semifinals. ROFLMAO ...I mean ROFLMOYA .

Fed on the other hand had to face Haas, Monfils and Delpotro at FO 2009 who gave him all he could handle. Hardly a joke draw.
 
gn

gn

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stringertom said:
No cheesy bets, please.

Good luck on your prediction.
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You probably should have accepted the bet. Imagine another person shrinking Big_Beautiful into a 125x125 avatar. Sewretch would be pleased. :D
 
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gn

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Rafa has better odds than Fedr with bookies? But he has not won anything on HC since Doha'14. :confused:
 
sbengte

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gnana prakash said:
You probably should have accepted the bet. Imagine another person shrinking Big_Beautiful into a 125x125 avatar. Sewretch would be pleased. :D
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What is Big_Beautiful ? I'm glad he didn't accept as well, imagine I might have had to put on a sewretch avatar :eek:
 
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