Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Lilguy1456, Oct 27, 2012.
I can't believe I'm agreeing with you so much lately.
Which means most of humanity.
What originally caused Sandy / Frankenstorm??
things here are afwul. live in toms river close to seaside bridge. have family along the bay, marina, and surrounding areas. my mom works/worked blocks from the beach at antrim school. don't know if they school is left. there were bodies in the water by arnold avenue. 2 sides of family has lost homes. we can't even try to get back in to try to get mail and whatever essentials. had to swim to future-mother-in-laws house sunday afternoon because we hadn't heard from her in a day. things aren't organized at all around here. we got power back a day ago and have been periodically houses 4 or so families. parents won't leave house in lakewood with no power because of fear of looters (don't live in great area) and are too stubborn to ever ask for anything. things here are pretty nuts. will update soon again. people are in shock. tryed not to punch girls doing stupid kissy-face facebook posts in areas of destruction. people need to start planning things to do instead of waiting for people to do them for you. thanks for any support.
Good luck and I hope life returns to normal for you soon.
Yes all the very best of wishes and luck . We need help each other out.
What help are you getting?
What do you think is the original reason why hurricanes form / how do they gain their power??
Errol Flynn believed one was formed just so he could discover heaven on Earth...Jamaica! If you have time read My Wicked Wicked Ways! Have a case of Smirnoff on hand to truly appreciate his take on things!
Ok, will check that out .. seems quite a find.
Did he run for office?? Or for the hills?? Lol.
The only thing he chased was skirt!
On a serious note and back to topic...just saw the new DMZ is 25/26th Street in Manhattan...above there power is plentiful; below there is still blacked out!
A Hormon problem?
Yeah, he kept the neighbors up bcoz the hoars moaned loudly!
$600B?? Where did you get that number?
Ok, wow thats quite some windspeed!
Can you post more about that event?
im really trying to come to terms with what storms/hurricanes have been happeening in the past and what the near future is prone to have in store . Also why they form and what is possible to do to mitigate and 'prevent'.
NYC Mayor gets real and says Sandy was powered up by global warming.
Finally someone speaks out and gets it.
I havent been to my courts yet since sandy but i hope the nets didnt fly off! i can only play at weekends because i have school. every weekend it rains so i have to wait every weekend when it rains. but anyway i hope sandy didnt do much to your courts guys!
Why is my tax money going to people I don't know? Why aren't we spending money on important "National" security issues such as illegal alien invasion, Chinese "stealth" naval fleet, Iranina nuclear armed ICBM. The world is intumult and my tax money is wasted on people beach front properties?
FEMA, get out! Let private, for profit companies rebuild. Let these companies create jobs, make money by charging "free market" fair value. People are not entitled of free bottled water when we can charge them $20.
Obama and that Jersey turn coat are turning all of us into the 47%.
If you can't pay to rebuild your house, don't buy it. If you can't afford to insure your car, don't get one. Self-reliance is key.
My money should be going toward the 1000 ships fleet needed to defend America! Red Dawn is coming!
Sandy was caused by people eating rice and beans. Blame the illegal Mexicans not industry. the only thing keeping flatulence induced global warming is heavy industries.
No politics please, we're British.
Business magazine Bloomberg News has figured out what caused Sandy:
Its Global Warming , Stupid!!!!
So much in this thread to respond to but chrischris, get a grip please. You've asked several times what caused Sandy. Have you not had basic 8th Grade Earth Science? Or is it that you don't live in a hurricane (or tornado) prone area and they skipped over that part of class?
I'm guessing, however, that your questions are mostly rhetorical as you seem to want to drive this conversation into the Global Warming arena. But the real solution to avoiding such destruction is much more, well, global than blaming human carbon production. I'm neither a "denier" or "prophetizer" of Warming. In fact, I think one of the quotes in the article you referenced probably put it best: “Would this kind of storm happen without climate change? Yes. Fueled by many factors. Is storm stronger because of climate change? Yes.” [quote by Jonathan Foley, director of the Institute on the Environment at the University of Minnesota]. I don't know of or care about the man or that organization's particular politics...but the statement makes sense to me and I suspect, that's where a large majority of folks reside: somewhere in the middle. So, can we prevent hurricanes? Please. No. But can we minimize damage done from them? Absolutely.
As a society, I think we need to be more realistic about the whole concept of living and building so near to water....be it the Mississippi River floodplains or the sub-sea level city that is New Orleans. Try as we might, through the powers of engineering and money (to construct and insure such things)....in the end, you're not going to win the war with Mother Nature. You can win battles along the way, "buy" (in every sense of the word) some time to enjoy the proximity but the waters will eventually win. And rebuilding in these places, well, I see that as the very definition of throwing good money after bad and as your average josette-taxpayer, I resent having our tax dollars going to perpetuate this problem.
For the folks in the NE, I'm sorry you're having to live through this mess. It's hard, though, to have a lot of sympathy for the ones who didn't heed warnings to prepare (by either getting o-u-t outa there or stocking up on all manner of supplies). I've lived through many a 'cane warning, and sometimes get a bit jaded on the media's hype that "This is the Big One" --- only to prepare and then not need it. But we still go through those motions every time. Better safe. Than sorry.
/rant over and I hope my fellow TTers treat it as such.
What business do not need initial investments and startup capital ?
The Dutch know how to live beneath sea level and given that you can't move big cities then tens of billions will have to be spent.
The fact is that human habitation is where it is for good reasons and teilling fisherman to live twenty kilometers from the coast makes no sense.
Moreover, the devestation of New Orleans was made immeasurably worse by the destruction of the wetlands for real estate development when a different development pattern may have spared them.
The natural sponges that would have saved some of Staten Island were all concreted over long ago.
Without even considering the question of AGW, we have to develop in environmentally sustainable ways for the sake of our human environment (and our bank books) as much as for nature itself.
Sadly , you are missing the bigger picture.
Agreed, particularly on the last. But recognize we already spend millions (dare I say billions without a referencable "link" ) to keep these "big cities" dry...for now. Couldn't we have a rational discussion about using some of those dollars on relocation as well, as part of a more overall plan for minimizing water/flood damage? Merely saying you can't do it isn't entirely so. I see it more of a question of if, when and how prudent it is rather than a cut-n-dry proposition.
And nah, no one's telling a fisherman to live 20K from the coast. But very few of them build their decks out on the dunes as is the case along much of the the US's East Coast. Fishermen know better. In fact, I'd venture that few of the actual homes on the coast are for people who garner their livelihood directly from the sea (other than rental income to inlanders seeking time at the beach). No, let's just call it like it is. WE like to be at the beach. And we're willing to pay, and pay, and pay to do it. Houses and boats are stuff, that can be replaced. It's when human life is unnecessarily put at risk that the harder questions should be asked. We are so fortunate to have the technological sophistication like radar and satellite imagery to forecast and predict (albeit with some margin of error) these large storms; it boggles my mind that we still have such loss of life.
As for the Dutch, they seem to have made their own below sea-level bed to lie in with "extensive and poorly controlled peat extraction" (sad credit to Wiki here for the admittedly opinionated quote but the substance of it seems reasonably confirmable through other web sources). Much like the NOLA folks, they (over?) used the seaside and inland-protecting natural resources and created a difficult situation. Yes, the Hollanders have learned to live for centuries in their self-imposed position but please don't kid yourself. When the money and the will to spend it on such projects as the Zuiderzeewerken and Deltawerken run out...the North Sea will win there too.
New Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen. It was, in a sense, the Perfect Storm for destruction. Unsustainable development in all Quarters (up- and downstream) and garbled politics and plan preparation (or lack thereof). With a cousin that still lives in the French Quarter, we continue to get updates on what's really happening down there -- and perhaps, just perhaps, they're starting to get it: community leaders being held accountable, slowed, revised or downright prohibited building in some areas and a larger recognition that "things" have to change. Because another Hurricane season will come next year. And the next year. And the next.
the sad thing, the private organizations are going to profit immensely from this disaster while the real needs of the people (see katrina) are going to be barely considered in the rebuilding process. its filthy
Bain Capital is setting up shop in Soho to sell bottled water for $18 a bottle. And individually packaged Cup of Noodles at $8 per serving.
Are they autographed?
IIRC, Casey Anthony was getting a better deal from the jail commissary for her Ramen noodles while a guest of lovely 33rd Street Motel! But our enlightened Governor wants to privatize the corrections system so Bain will have inside track to more fortune.
What year is it ? 1980something forever ,according to that gentlemans ideas it seems...
Quote of the day:
'Our cover story may create controversy , but only among the stupid'
YES! Free market economics at work.
When the storm came about I turned on the radio because the internet was sketchy. I was surprised by the volume of advertisement - airtime goes up in price when you have an emergency heh...:lol:
Who thinks Sandy was very bad and wont be toppled soon / alternatively who thinks Sandy was an indicator of things to come as precursor?
I should point out that by soon i mean within the next 10 years or so and the area i am talking about is the CONUS.
Yes , the free market can solve everything.
And it has no hidden costs .
I was just watching Sportscenter and they're go to go ahead with the NY marathon.
They're also bringing in generators, personnel, and etc. to facilitate the marathon.
Are you kidding me?! If you're BRINGING in resources, they should be used to aid the struggling areas. Not run a damn marathon!
Yeah! Thats free market economics at work.
Nobody has gas for their cars so this is a great time to run a marathon.
Sure , thats the main reason.
How on earth could i have not thought of that?
Participators in such a small event as the NYC marathon are last minute decisions too of course.
No planning for it nor training in advance needed, right?
I'm sure they have trained for a long time and would be disappointed but understanding if the event were canceled.
I'd be curious whether Nero let the "games" at the Colloseum go on as scheduled soon after he fiddled???
Bloomberg is doing this to show NYC bent but did not break. It's all PR and economics...participants spend millions on this once-a-year event.
Meanwhile, on a different vein...how much would you bet The Boss sings Asbury Park, 4th Of July (Sandy) sometime tonight at the benefit???
Of course Mikeleer the vast majority has + of course they would have been humble enough to accept and understand that due to Sandy/Frankenstorm a postponement alt.cancellation would have been necessary.
Sarcasm sometimes flies under the radar.
I'm hoping this rumor about them turning away electrical workers from Alabama because they were non Union is untrue.
don't think so.
Guess Bloomberg just gagged...NYC Marathon is now cancelled! I wonder if he will still accept $26.20 from every participant who wasted time and energy getting there ahead of time to prep for the run???
Oh no! Free market economics are not working.
Bloomberg finally came to his senses.
Good call. Bloomberg is great.
Good call here and earlier in the week a couple of times showing mature knowledge , judgement and execution.
we're not getting help. i have family and friends periodically coming over for showers and hot meals. batteries and gas are impossible to come by. i've spendt about $300 so far buying pet food and baby food for the shelters as well as got rid of a considerable amount of clothing for the shelters. terrible conditions. tried to get into future brother-in-laws apt that was on the bay to get any stuff and its rotting and smells horrible., water up to ceiling on 1st floor. had hour wait to move 1/4 mile with cops with automatic weapons checking i.d.'s to get there. i will be selling my racquet collection with 100% of profit going towards shelters. parted with blx new federer 90 with gut (birthday present) for $100 so i can buy more stuff for people at shelters. in next upcoming days will be having major sale on sticks with verifiable reciepts of supplies and delivery to shelters so if youre looking for half-price sticks and want to support the relief anything is welcome. thanks for checking in everyone. i can't wait for people to fix things for me. i know people are dealing with tough times but don't wait for things to happen. be proactive.
Do you have a mobile phone with a video camera in it or a digital camera to document your situation and ordeals??
i do but that wasn't a priority for me. first was getting to people i hadn't heard from. next was/is salvaging whatever from the 2 sides of family currently near us that lost their homes. these things are burned into my brain. i thought it'd be interesting to show people what it's like but the more it sinks in the sadder it gets . i mean stuff you'd never think happens was happening around me. i was climbing across jet ski's to try to cut through a parking lot and jump fences to get to a house. and in the little lot i was trying to stay above water so to get to the fence i went to step on a car engine, because it had to be resting on something to be sticking out above water... nope. stepped on car engine which was somehow floating and fell into 4 feet or so of water. i mean it's just too weird. like i have power back and everyone i know who doesnt have power is dropping food off here and i'm cooking it as fast as i get it and sending it back with them so they have hot food for at least one meal. they sit on the couch for a few hours to see the images on tv and then they want to get back to their freezing houses so people don't break in and steal stuff ... i was a mess leaving one of the shelters after seeing all the old lost/confused old people who just are in denial. i am by no means deserving of sympathy. i've been lucky in so many ways but theres so many people around who haven't and it's a disservice and a waste of time to criticize what red cross of fema could do for people when you have people here in the middle of it who aren't even helping their neighbors. it still feels like a dream. cliche' as it seems
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