Discussion in 'Pro Match Results and Discussion' started by rayoflight110, Sep 12, 2011.
Is it Serena? Rafa? Roger?
Federer by a mile. Tennis wont be the same when he retires. Probably Sharapova on the women's side.
I think Sharapova is up there, but the Williams Sisters are famous beyond tennis, Clijsters would also be up there.
Federer by a long way. Rafa has made lot of inroads, but just lost his shot at matching him ever.
Federer. For his Godsmanship.
uhhhhh Federer clearly, then probably Nadal, then Djokovic
Current? Or retired?
Federer first, Agassi second
lol im a fed fan and he is not even close to being the most famous. Roddick is more famous then fed, but who, i dont know
Not sure if serious...
You have got to be kidding!
I would say Sampras, Federer and Agassi (in no particular order). On the women's side I would say Steffi Graf.
Believe it not but Roddick is incredibly well known, and to non-tennis followers more popular than Federer. But aside from that foible, I'd say Federer, Agassi, Mac.
federer is pretty much a household name. nadal isn't far away.
Sharapova? She has 9 times as many google results than Federer.
Maybe in the USA... But believe me, not in the World.
I think we're talking about in world wide fame. Roddick probably is more famous than Fed in the US.
Federer and Nadal.
Federer just crossed the 9 million fans mark a month ago on fb.
Federer of course.
America isn't the world, the main thing Roddick is known for is losing to Federer in Wimbledon Finals especially 2009 final, he is popular because he is attached to Fed's name
You cannot be serious!
I asked a few guys I know (who do not really know much about tennis at all) about who their favorite pro player is. All three responded with Federer, and then I asked their second favorites - but they only knew who Federer was. No one else. I rarely talk tennis with them, either, so I didn't tell them about any pro players (past or present).
So I'd say for the newer gen it's Fed, and the older gen it's Sampras.
In Kenya it must be Paul Wekesa, and in Zimbabwe, Byron Black
Federer by a loooong shot.
That is not really true. Nadal is very popular as well. He is not as popular as Federer, but the gap in popularity is really not that great.
Roddick is not even more popular than Nadal.
Roddick has had a twitter account for the past 3 years, but he has less followers than Nadal who joined like 3 months.
it's Ryan O'Neil
Yeah, "Sharapova naked" outranks "Federer" by over 9 million results according to Google keyword search stats.
Imagine popularity contests in school. 2 boys arguing over who's more popular based on Twitter followers.
And they are arguing about another boy. Hmmmmmmmmmmm?
Most famous tennis player in the world? I think it's probably between these two guys, with John McEnroe right there as well.
Fed, Rafa, Agassi, McEnroe, Sharapova, Serena, Borg, Martina.
Of course for internet onanists, probably in a different order
Holy fudge. I actually agree with you about something!
Federer used to be a couple million ahead of Nadal in fb followers but Rafa has really closed the gap in the last year. He's over 8,600,000 now, less than 500,000 behind and the gap shrinks daily.
Rafa is approaching 1 million followers on twitter. I don't think most people on this board have any idea how popular Rafa is around the world. He is beloved by tennis fans and his commercial endorsements are making him even more well known. The book that he and John Carlin just wrote has been translated into 16 languages!
Rafa may not be as well known in North America because of his lack of proficiency in the English language but around the rest of the globe, he is a huge star. Federer is too, of course, but Americans tend to have a very myopic world view and think fame or popularity is dependent upon American celebrity. It's not.
Federer is the second most trusted man in the world, so how could any other tennis player be more trusted??? Come on... And rafa has a huge 15 yr old girl following...
Li Na is most famous, hands down.
I don't know how many of these people are being serious with this sort of claim but it really paints images of someone with no appreciation of global awareness, branding, marketing reach etc.
Federer's global public awareness rating would be at worst 10 times that of Roddick, maybe more like 20+. Roddick wouldn't even be in the top ten tennis players - he'd be way, way behind Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Sharapova, S Williams, V Williams, Sampras, Agassi....
Nadal isn't within a country mile of Federer in terms of global recognition. Numbers of fans on a facebook page is one of the ultimate flawed comparisons as, well they're fanpages - vetted only by who happens to both to 'like' someone on facebook. Myself for example, I only got around to checking out any tennis player's page and I've played tennis for decades.
Likewise, Federer did come around a fair bit earlier on in the piece than Nadal so has leagues of fans in the 30 plus age bracket who either aren't on facebook or simply don't use it like young people do.
The comment about endorsements is back the front to. The research that goes into forging those relationships isn't one of making someone better know, it's one of associating the brand with a known person. That said I don't recall and Nadal advert which was remotely "star generating" in concept or execution.
As others have mentioned, ask a pile of non-tennis followers which top current players they can name and it'd be Federer and Sharapova long before Nadal comes into the frame. Federer would also outrank Nadal in awareness and perception (preference) many times over in the over 40 population. He is a great example of a classic vibe sportman - intelligent, naturally gifted, effortless etc... and has been the subject of by far the most iconic tennis photos in the past decade compared to his peers... etc.
Sharapova's google result numbers likewise may not be all they seem. Once you exclude the images (real or fake) of her underwear/camel-toe etc you half of her results disappear. Women however have an inherent advantage in some ways because the internet is visually based and there's generally a lot more traffic potential in a photo of a hot woman than their is a legendary male sportsperson.
Borg. People friggin' wear his name on their crotches!
I'm pretty sure if Fed wanted to, he could launch his own line of Nike underwear that says "Fed Express, World Best Class, Darth Federer, PeRFection," etc on it.
come on now, it's Kournikova on the women side by a mile
even people who never watch tennis knows who she is :mrgreen:
That simply isn't true but I'm not about to waste my time arguing with you. If you want to think otherwise, that's fine, it's your opinion and you're entitled to it but outside of the United States, it's just not so.
You're not wasting your time, it's so crystal clear you're wrong I didn't even consider you were being serious.
Having worked in media for over 15 years and seen ads and brands associated with sportspeople over and over through the years it is clear that Federer is in the upper league of all-time well known sportspeople - sharing company with Woods, Jordan, Schumacher etc. Nadal is not even close. He wouldn't even be in the top 20 of well-known current sportpeople globally yet Federer is top 5.
Federer's appeal is magnified compared to Nadals because he speaks perfect English (as well as French and German) giving him a total native speaking audience about 10 times that of a native Spanish speaker. People don't seem to realise just how much this affects a person's global fame.
He also fits the classic, elegant, handsome category perfectly, one which dwarfs the young, hairless body, grunty, sweaty persona which Nadal portrays.
Don't believe me? Then do you believe the evidence in who and to what level the endorsement deals they each have? Are all the people involved in the process of working these deals out wrong?
If you factor out the under 25, mostly male tennis playing population who make up about 2% of the world and you lose half of Nadal's global recognition. Proof is in pretty much every tennis club I've visited in the past five years - people are wearing RF gear across all ages while Nadal gear is limited to sub 25s or 30-somethings with no style.
We could demonstrate pretty simply the in-built bias of posters on this topic by asking everyone their age, country and native language.
Yep, that was certainly a well thought out, unbiased, fair appraisal of the situation. You go ahead and believe the 'young, hairless body, grunty, sweaty persona' isn't huge around the globe and doesn't have big endorsement deals if that somehow makes your rather creepy idolization of Federer more valid.
p.s. I just went and checked and Rafa was #12 on the Forbes list of richest athletes. Yes, Roger is #4 but Rafa is well within the top 20 and that was only up to May/11 and he's since become the official face of Armani and has resigned on as the global ambassador of Kia as well as a number of other deals. He's just a smidge behind Lionel Messi and Fernando Alonso and ahead of Tom Brady, Derek Jeter, Dale Earnheardt Jr, Peyton Manning, Manny Pacquaio, Ronaldinho, Wayne Rooney, and many other huge names in the sports world.
This isn't a pi$$ing match between Federer and Nadal. Federer is big, no doubt about it, and nobody is disputing that but you are maligning and denigrating Rafa for no reason other than your own personal dislike of his style. Rafa is a huge star around the globe and you have no rational grounds to dispute that statement.
Hingis, Kournikova, Nadal by far
I think it was a little more considered than a foul swoop claim like "..but outside of the United States, it's just not so" which is backed up by, well... nothing that I've seen so far.
See my edited post. Rafa is #12 on the Forbes list of highest earning athletes in the world which includes prize money and endorsement earnings (oh, and they take social media like facebook into consideration when they compile their lists). Google is your friend if you had wanted to, well....see something.
So, you now say after all this that you hadn't even bothered to check out well-known annual lists such as Forbes' as some sort of radar of what the scene is like? Well, you should google "most famous athletes in the world" and see what you find too.
It was exactly that actually. Flamed pointlessly by people who have little idea about global popularity of athletes outside their own country.
It sounded like you were disputing it actually... Saying he's smaller than Nadal when he's not. Nor was I denigrating Nadal at all - nor did I comment once on his style.
I didn't dispute it anywhere. I disputed the folly that he is remotely in the league of Federer with regards to global recognition.
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