Who's your favorite current male tennis player? What are their pros and cons?

[Mayonnaise]

You can't have it both ways then.

What do you mean, both ways?

The field is weak, which is why you'd expect a highly declined player to keep doing so well. Where is the inconsistency?

 

[Djokovic2011]

What do you mean, both ways?

The field is weak, which is why you'd expect a highly declined player to keep doing so well. Where is the inconsistency?

Constantly repeating it won't make it so Mayo.

 

[Noleberic123]

Are you serious? When was the last time there was no Slam winner below the age of 26? There is absolutely no resistance from the field or the young players.

I ask again: when was the last time there was no Slam winner below the age of 26?

Give some credit for the big 4 being unbeatable at the slams

 

[The Green Mile]

Are you serious? When was the last time there was no Slam winner below the age of 26? There is absolutely no resistance from the field or the young players.

I ask again: when was the last time there was no Slam winner below the age of 26?

That's what happens when you had the most dominant big 3(or 4 if you want) of all time... or still have, maybe....

 

[Noleberic123]

That's what happens when you had the most dominant big 3(or 4 if you want) of all time... or still have, maybe....

It the big 2 now. (nadal and djokovic)

 

[Mayonnaise]

Constantly repeating it won't make it so Mayo.

And denying the truth won't make it false, either

 

[Mayonnaise]

Give some credit for the big 4 being unbeatable at the slams

Unbeatable to a very weak field, yes

 

[Noleberic123]

Unbeatable to a very weak field, yes

Wawrinka was able to breakthrough, or was that a fluke?

 

[eldanger25]

Yep. Even a grandpa can do so well because this is a weak field :lol:

Your use of the word grandpa is basically performance art at this point. Don't ever change.

 

[Chico]

Ljubicic didn't finish #3, he finished #5 in 06, and he was a beast that year. Big serve, epic backhand.

Old 30+ Ljubicic won Indian Wells in 2010.

Nalbandian and Davydenko were in prime form in 06, and they were much better shotmakers than the guys who are at the top today.

And don't forget, Nastall was in his prime in 2005 and 2006. When people insult the "weak competition," they are hilariously insulting Nastall, who was #2 in the world for all of it but 2004. 2004 was when Sampras-killer Lleyton Hewitt, along with Andy Roddick, were Federer's main rivals. If they're weak, the undercurrent of Sampras fanboys, which is what 90% of the Nastall "fan base"/Federer haters consists of, must turn a blind eye to 00-02.

Are you for real? Djokovic and Federer also are much better shotmakers than Davydenko, Nalbandian and Ljubicic.

people here would write anything. :shock:

 

[Federer20042006]

Are you for real? Djokovic and Federer also are much better shotmakers than Davydenko, Nalbandian and Ljubicic.

people here would write anything. :shock:

Uh, no. Djokovic isn't a shotmaker, he's a backboard. Every shot he hits is repetitive and a straight-line. He struggles to pass and he has zero variety.

Federer no longer is much of a shotmaker, either. He's a serve and not much else.

 

[Federer20042006]

Who do you think is more dangerous? David freak'n Ferrer, or prime Nalbandian, Davydenko, Ancic, Ljubicic, booming-serve Roddick, and Blake?

Hmmmmm.

 

[Chico]

Uh, no. Djokovic isn't a shotmaker, he's a backboard. Every shot he hits is repetitive and a straight-line. He struggles to pass and he has zero variety.

Federer no longer is much of a shotmaker, either. He's a serve and not much else.

SOrry to say, but you have no idea what are you talking about. Obviously you didn't watch many Novak's matches. Please go back and watch some of Djokovic's matches. For example any of his 17 wins vs Fed. All are pure shotmaking clinics by Djokovic. I guess that is why you are so bitter.

ALso lol at he struggles to pass? Did you watch the W final 2014?

What a ridiculous post.

 

[Federer20042006]

SOrry to say, but you have no idea what are you talking about. Obviously you didn't watch many Novak's matches. Please go back and watch some of Djokovic's matches. For example any of his 17 wins vs Fed. All are pure shotmaking clinics by Djokovic. I guess that is why you are so bitter.

ALso lol at he struggles to pass? Did you watch the W final 2014?

What a ridiculous post.

You just don't know what a shotmaker is. A shotmaker doesn't just hit 30 consecutive routine forehands and backhands and run around like a backboard waiting for the opponent to miss. A shotmaker is aggressive and goes for winners. A shotmaker goes for lots of angles and can hit special improvisational shots.

Djokovic is a juiced up Lleyton Hewitt without the passing shots. The fact that an ancient Federer is still able to hang with him really says it all. He's not that great. It's hard for him to win the way he does because he doesn't have any go-to patterns of play to win easy points.

Shotmaking clinics against Federer? He was down 2 match points in 2010 and 2011 US Open SF to Federer. Had to go 5 to beat Serverer this year at Wimbledon. Had to win a tiebreak at Indian Wells. Got a couple of wins against Returning-From-Bad-Backerer in Paris and WTF last year. Won the Miami of 09 match in 3 against Racket Breakerer. Needed 2 tie breaks to notch his first victory over Federer in Montreal 07.

Federer/Djokovic matches are almost always on Federer's racket.

Whereas Federer could play well and have major problems with Nalbandian and Davydenko, because those two were much more offensive-minded.

 

[Djokovic2011]

You just don't know what a shotmaker is. A shotmaker doesn't just hit 30 consecutive routine forehands and backhands and run around like a backboard waiting for the opponent to miss. A shotmaker is aggressive and goes for winners. A shotmaker goes for lots of angles and can hit special improvisational shots.

Djokovic is a juiced up Lleyton Hewitt without the passing shots. The fact that an ancient Federer is still able to hang with him really says it all. He's not that great. It's hard for him to win the way he does because he doesn't have any go-to patterns of play to win easy points.

Shotmaking clinics against Federer? He was down 2 match points in 2010 and 2011 US Open SF to Federer. Had to go 5 to beat Serverer this year at Wimbledon. Had to win a tiebreak at Indian Wells. Got a couple of wins against Returning-From-Bad-Backerer in Paris and WTF last year. Won the Miami of 09 match in 3 against Racket Breakerer. Needed 2 tie breaks to notch his first victory over Federer in Montreal 07.

Federer/Djokovic matches are almost always on Federer's racket.

Whereas Federer could play well and have major problems with Nalbandian and Davydenko, because those two were much more offensive-minded.

Well at least you're not bitter.

 

[Mayonnaise]

Well at least you're not bitter.

You have to give him points for:

1. Returning-from-bad-backerer
2. Racket breakerer
3. Serverer


:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Chico]

You just don't know what a shotmaker is. A shotmaker doesn't just hit 30 consecutive routine forehands and backhands and run around like a backboard waiting for the opponent to miss. A shotmaker is aggressive and goes for winners. A shotmaker goes for lots of angles and can hit special improvisational shots.

Djokovic is a juiced up Lleyton Hewitt without the passing shots. The fact that an ancient Federer is still able to hang with him really says it all. He's not that great. It's hard for him to win the way he does because he doesn't have any go-to patterns of play to win easy points.

Shotmaking clinics against Federer? He was down 2 match points in 2010 and 2011 US Open SF to Federer. Had to go 5 to beat Serverer this year at Wimbledon. Had to win a tiebreak at Indian Wells. Got a couple of wins against Returning-From-Bad-Backerer in Paris and WTF last year. Won the Miami of 09 match in 3 against Racket Breakerer. Needed 2 tie breaks to notch his first victory over Federer in Montreal 07.

Federer/Djokovic matches are almost always on Federer's racket.

Whereas Federer could play well and have major problems with Nalbandian and Davydenko, because those two were much more offensive-minded.

What a garbage. Please go back and watch a bit more of Djokovic. Educate yourself instead of talking nonsense.

 

[Mayonnaise]

What a garbage.

I don't know about garbage, Chico, but seeing that prime Djokovic, on his best surface, got destroyed by an old fossil from a bygone era like Tommy Haas, I think he has a point.

 

[Djokovic2011]

I don't know about garbage, Chico, but seeing that prime Djokovic, on his best surface, got destroyed by an old fossil from a bygone era like Tommy Haas, I think he has a point.

All players have bad days sometimes. That Djokovic has had remarkably few of them in the last few years is a sign of his great consistency.

 

[Chico]

I don't know about garbage, Chico, but seeing that prime Djokovic, on his best surface, got destroyed by an old fossil from a bygone era like Tommy Haas, I think he has a point.

Hmm I think seeing prime Federer on his best surface being destroyed TWICE by old man Canas, gives me the same feeling.

:roll:

Fed fans are obviously in full panic mode. Novak denied Feds 18th slam and they are angry and bitter and would do anything (lie, manufacture, spew nonsense) only to put down Djokovic. It is not only Nadal they have to fear but Djokovic too. Two more wins and H2H will be negative for Fed here too. Supposed "goat" is in danger to slip to the third place on his own era. A bit too uncomfortable for some like those two above.

 

[beast of mallorca]

What a garbage. Please go back and watch a bit more of Djokovic. Educate yourself instead of talking nonsense.

You tell 'em Chico. These people have no respect for Djoker. Shame on them ......

 

[Mayonnaise]

Hmm I think seeing prime Federer on his best surface being destroyed TWICE by old man Canas, gives me the same feeling.

:roll:

Fed fans are obviously in full panic mode. Novak denied Feds 18th slam and they are angry and bitter and would do anything (lie, manufacture, spew nonsense) only to put down Djokovic. It is not only Nadal they have to fear but Djokovic too. Two more wins and H2H will be negative for Fed here too. Supposed "goat" is in danger to slip to the third place on his own era. A bit too uncomfortable for some like those two above.

:lol: at H2H. Perhaps Murray > Federer? Heck, even Rafter > Federer? :lol:

Canas was 29 when he beat Federer. Haas, at 35, was a dinosaur fossil when he beat Djokovic on his best surface! :lol:

Either way, the facts are:

17 > 7
6 > 3
5 > 2

 

[Deleted member 716271]

I don't know about garbage, Chico, but seeing that prime Djokovic, on his best surface, got destroyed by an old fossil from a bygone era like Tommy Haas, I think he has a point.

You're just like those failed political debaters on tv who thinks ONE example counteracts detailed and overwhelming examples to the contrary.

:lol::lol:

 

[Mayonnaise]

You're just like those failed political debaters on tv who thinks ONE example counteracts detailed and overwhelming examples to the contrary.

:lol::lol:

This is what Djokovic lost to on his best surface:

:lol:

 

[Chico]

Looks more like Canas than Haas to me.

 

[Mayonnaise]

Looks more like Canas than Haas to me.

35 > 29. It's simple math, Chico. Or should I say match? :lol:

 

[mrravioli]

Federer
Upside: hmm... You name it
Downside: too big in his peak time (which was somewhat a weak era) that I actually hated this man who always wins and never sweat when I first came to tennis.

Dimitrov
Upside: offer some nice ohbh after fed retires. Prostaff line user
Downside: almost everything else, especially his bad taste in girls

 

[Deleted member 716271]

This is what Djokovic lost to on his best surface:

:lol:

Did it again!

I thought h2h doesnt matter, only titles?!?!?



BTW, Fed lost to Nadal aged 17 in 2004

 

[Chico]

Didn't Fed lost to the same old player of his other best surface (GOAT has plenty of them) in 2012 when he was goating and winning Wimbledon.

How did this happen.

You are in too much panic to answer this rationally.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Didn't Fed lost to the same old player of his other best surface (GOAT has plenty of them) in 2012 when he was goating and winning Wimbledon.

How did this happen.

You are in too much panic to answer this rationally.

He will claim Fed "wasn't in his prime".

 

[MichaelNadal]

He will claim Fed "wasn't in his prime".

I thought Djokovic fans had excuses. Federer has only lost 1 match in his prime to his fans, and that was against Safin in 05 :lol: (a guy that they have NO REASON to care about after that match of course).

 

[Deleted member 716271]

I thought Djokovic fans had excuses. Federer has only lost 1 match in his prime to his fans, and that was against Safin in 05 :lol:

that was okay though, because Safin was playing "beautiful, attacking Godmode tennis" :lol:

 

[Sentinel]

Dimitropova.

 

[Mayonnaise]

Did it again!

I thought h2h doesnt matter, only titles?!?!?

Of course. Who said otherwise?

BTW, Fed lost to Nadal aged 17 in 2004

Nadal was much closer to 18 than 17. And yes, he did. Nadal got bageled by ******* in 2011. What's your point?

 

[MichaelNadal]

Nadal:
Pros: Thrilling, Amazing Style, Sick Shots, Mental Fortitude, Epic Comebacks
Cons: Slow serving routine, Needs too many matches for confidence, Toni Nadal.

 

[Mayonnaise]

Didn't Fed lost to the same old player of his other best surface (GOAT has plenty of them) in 2012 when he was goating and winning Wimbledon.

How did this happen.

You are in too much panic to answer this rationally.

Grandfatherer wasn't GOATing in 2012. He was Grandfathering and still won because of the weak field :lol:

As for his loss to Haas, what's wrong with a grandfather losing to a great grandfather?

 

[Mayonnaise]

I thought Djokovic fans had excuses. Federer has only lost 1 match in his prime to his fans, and that was against Safin in 05 :lol: (a guy that they have NO REASON to care about after that match of course).

Prime Federer was pretty much dominated by young Nadal.

 

[Mayonnaise]

that was okay though, because Safin was playing "beautiful, attacking Godmode tennis" :lol:

Yes, that was a great match. Some of the best Tennis ever played

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Of course. Who said otherwise?

Nadal was much closer to 18 than 17. And yes, he did. Nadal got bageled by ******* in 2011. What's your point?

You did by referencing Djokovic losing to Haas. Try to keep up

 

[Mayonnaise]

You did by referencing Djokovic losing to Haas. Try to keep up

I referenced a match. Not a H2H. Don't you even know what a H2H means? :lol:

 

[Federer20042006]

I thought Djokovic fans had excuses. Federer has only lost 1 match in his prime to his fans, and that was against Safin in 05 :lol: (a guy that they have NO REASON to care about after that match of course).

Nah, all the losses Federer suffered in 04-06 were legitimate.

There just weren't very many of them, and a chunk of them came to Nastall.

Unlike Nastall and his citing 14 injuries in his last 18 slam losses.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Nah, all the losses Federer suffered in 04-06 were legitimate.

There just weren't very many of them, and a chunk of them came to Nastall.

Unlike Nastall and his citing 14 injuries in his last 18 slam losses.

Dude who CARES? You people CAREEEEEE way too much. He LOST. If I hated Nadal, I couldn't care any less what excuses he has. If someone steps on court, they did it with the intention of thinking they could win the match. Too bad for Nastall and whatever was wrong with him that caused him to lose.

 

[Backspin1183]

Nadal:
Pros: Thrilling, Amazing Style, Sick Shots, Mental Fortitude, Epic Comebacks
Cons: Slow serving routine, Needs too many matches for confidence, Toni Nadal.

Toni Nadal in Cons? You seem to take these internet forum troll discussions a bit too seriously, I'm afraid. Toni has been good for Nadal imho. He may not be the smartest coach but he's been an emotional support for Rafa in times of despair. Tio is one of the reasons why Rafa could come back each time it seemed like retiring was an easy option.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

I referenced a match. Not a H2H. Don't you even know what a H2H means? :lol:

You really are dumb, my lord.

You were saying Player A beat Player B...therefore...

And you're right it was just ONE match, way less than a 23-10 H2H

:lol:

 

[MichaelNadal]

Toni Nadal in Cons? You seem to take these internet forum troll discussions a bit too seriously, I'm afraid. Toni has been good for Nadal imho. He may not be the smartest coach but he's been an emotional support for Rafa in times of despair. Tio is one of the reasons why Rafa could come back each time it seemed like retiring was an easy option.

Oh of course. Toni has been great for Rafa overall. I just think his time is passed and he needs to keep his trap shut. Has nothing to do with what anyone else thinks of him. Roig is a better coach for Nadal right now, last summer HC season showed that.

 

[Mayonnaise]

You really are dumb, my lord.

You were saying Player A beat Player B...therefore...

And you're right it was just ONE match, way less than a 23-10 H2H

:lol:

Do you really not know the difference between a match and a head-to-head? And you call me dumb? :lol: Get a mirror! :lol:

 

[SoBad]

The non-MM H2H is 9-2 and Federer deserves the credit for playing his peak heart out to secure those two triumphant victories against the fragile slender unsure teenage boy Nadal playing grass first time.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

The non-MM H2H is 9-2 and Federer deserves the credit for playing his peak heart out to secure those two triumphant victories against the fragile slender unsure teenage boy Nadal playing grass first time.

:lol: love it

 

[Backspin1183]

Oh of course. Toni has been great for Rafa overall. I just think his time is passed and he needs to keep his trap shut. Has nothing to do with what anyone else thinks of him. Roig is a better coach for Nadal right now, last summer HC season showed that.

Well, Toni has been more of a cheergirl than a coach last few years. Rafa may benefit from talking to guys like JMac or Borg.

 

[Mayonnaise]

The non-MM H2H is 9-2 and Federer deserves the credit for playing his peak heart out to secure those two triumphant victories against the fragile slender unsure teenage boy Nadal playing grass first time.

If the non-MM H2H is 9-2, you're admitting Nadal's 27 Masters are Mickey Mouse titles :lol: