Whose record will last longer: Sampras' or Nadal's ?
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NadalAgassi
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Since Nadal's record will be broken by Nadal himself either next year or in 2014, obviously Sampras's.
BorisBeckerFan
Professional
Not derail the thread but even though Fed's slam count is the greater achievement, I think ending the year as number 1, 6 straight times in a row is something that is more difficult to do regardless of era and may actually become even more increasingly difficult to do. I just don't think there's anyone both good enough and young enough to do this in the near future. Both Nadal's and Sampras's records are unlikely to be equaled any time soon.
nadal_slam_king
Banned
Nobody will break Sampras record of total weeks at number one.
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srinrajesh
Guest
Nadal's 7 FO is tougher to break while a new comer has a chance if competition eases up few years later
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srinrajesh
Guest
Probably Nadal will end up with 9-10 FO
namelessone
Legend
Yeah, it's not like the media wrote about it as a historic achievement, surpassing Borg's RG count and equaling his overall slam count. They just yawned and skipped over it.
nadal_slam_king
Banned
The media sure cares. It's been reported on every sports bulletin I've seen.
nadal_slam_king
Banned
If he wins his 8th next year with similar ease to this year, I think it will be 10-12. It's not like he'll drop off the face of the earth suddenly. When he declines over the next few years, he'll still be better than most or all, and will just have to drop some sets along the way.
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nadal_slam_king
Banned
Now its up to Djokovic to snap up Wimbledon, or else Nadal should finish with 4-5 Wimbledons. We'll see soon, if he gets a Wimbledon this year, no reason why he can't get another and keep contending. This "prime" is going longer than the retirement experts predicted. Nadal has now tied the record for consecutive years of at least one slam title, 8.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
How stupid can you be? If Nadal declines, it could spell the end of his winning days. It only takes a marginal bit of confidence for other players to start making your life a living hell if you lose your own confidence while others make inroads on your game.
Look at Federer at Wimbledon. He used to dominate like nobody's business. Now players have improved and are hitting harder and have found confidence against him on grass. Federer declining even half a percent on grass made the difference between winning and losing against Tomas Berdych and Tsonga the last 2 years.
And it's not like Nadal hasn't already tasted defeat or come close to it a few times at Roland Garros against Soderling and Isner.
Things can change and they can change very quickly in sports.
For all we know, Nadal may have just won his last Roland Garros. Who knows what will happen next year? Whether he will suffer a drop in confidence or lose matches in the Masters leading to a disaster at RG.
His drop at RG could happen as unexpectedly as Federer's at Wimbledon.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
I think this is the most breakable of them records. Federer is sitting on 285, Nadal has 100+, Djokovic 50+ and I don't see anyone reaching the top spot other than the 3 in a long time.
He lost 53 games (not 35) in the tournament.
Both records will be very difficult to break.
Six consecutive Year End Nº1 will be very very difficult to break.
237 straight weeks at Nº1 (by Federer) will be very very difficult to break too.
286 total weeks at Nº1 (by Sampras) can be beaten by Federer in the following months.
7 Roland Garros (Nadal), 7 Wimbledon (Sampras). So hard to break in the future. But who knows? (Federer at 6 Wimbledon can match it in 3 weeks).
Six consecutive Year End Nº1 will be very very difficult to break.
237 straight weeks at Nº1 (by Federer) will be very very difficult to break too.
286 total weeks at Nº1 (by Sampras) can be beaten by Federer in the following months.
7 Roland Garros (Nadal), 7 Wimbledon (Sampras). So hard to break in the future. But who knows? (Federer at 6 Wimbledon can match it in 3 weeks).
If Federer wins Wimbledon, he's number one.
except majority has a different meaning now (> 90%), than in sampras' days (> 65%).
It's not even a fair comparison. Marcelo Rios was in contention to end the year as #1 in 1998.. that was what Sampras had to deal with! Replace Federer with Sampras and you'd had Federer end 9 straight years as world #1.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Rios had a good year in 1998, winning Indian Wells, Miami, Rome and the Grand Slam Cup. He also had his best result in a major in 1998, in reaching the Australian Open final.
and that's all it took to become world # 1, and almost end the year at #1. Federer, in the past 52 weeks preceding the FO, had reached 1 slam final, 1 QF and 2 SF. had won 3 masters titles, the WTF and a bunch of smaller tournaments, and he was #2 for barely a week.
BorisBeckerFan
Professional
That would still leave Sampras' 6 straight year end #1. This thread was not about weeks at number 1.
Apun94
Hall of Fame
Fed didnt drop his form all of a sudden. In 2010, after AO he didnt play that well, he lost in Qs at RG and then almost lost in the first round of Wimb and had a set taken off of him in the second. So indeed he was playing crap. I mean it was due wasnt it? He was getting old, others were getting better, Wimb became slower so his lost wasnt THAT huge a surprise as compared to if Rafa loses to RG next yr other than Nolee. Rafa is in his prime and unless he gets himself injured, Nadal's honestly not losing next year. These sort of these things just dont happen now
Apun94
Hall of Fame
Hahahahaha, good one! Rog's really not looking like the fav, is he?
The favorite doesn't always win the tournament.
I think "total number of weeks" will be broken. Federer is 1 week shy
of it, for example, AFAIK.
It's the #1 weeks spread over 7 years, 6 straight year end #1, which will be
very hard to break.
But Nadal's 7+ french open. That thing will be virtually impossible to break.
It is very hard to dominate very long term on clay. That's why it's just Borg
and Nadal.
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christinamaniac7
Semi-Pro
Well def each record is tough to break in its own way, but IMHO being consistent enough to win the toughest GS physically 7 times in 8 years is something that might never be repeated, Given that there are not too many consistent clay court specialists and no real young guns to consider at least for the next 2 decades...
Apun94
Hall of Fame
Yeah they do, especially these days. Nadal and Nole have been the favourites to win slams for the last year and a half and all of them have been won by them. Surprise defeats to these guys dont come at slams these days. However, Fed winning Wimbledon could happen but only if Fed is VERY consistent with his FH and can continue to play at the highest level for 5 sets against the biggest of players... Otherwise he's not winning.
PS. I personally think that if Rog is in Nole's draw he can reach the final but if in Rafa's draw he's probably not winning at all...
WhiskeyEE
G.O.A.T.
Oh come on. Joker is tougher for Roger than Rafa these days.
Apun94
Hall of Fame
The funny thing these days is that both nole and rafa are dangerous for rog. Even a year ago, fed was only, troubled by rafa bt that has changed. Rog has declined and nole and rafa have become better...
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
You mean you yawned and skipped over it. By the way, a wax work of Nadal is now at Madame Tussaud's in London, that how great he already is.
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primetennis
Rookie
well..hadn't nadal been around federer would have had 6 FO's by now..most weeks at #1 by far..23 slams..and 6 year end #1..
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
It took 30 years from when Borg was born for another tennis player like him, Rafa, to be born. That's how difficult it will be for anyone to break Rafa's 7 RG titles. I don't think it will ever happen.
It was more than a hundred years before Rafa equalled the record of 8 straight titles at one tournament, and when the record was first held, the champion only had to compete in the final not go through the rounds like Rafa had to do.
Once Rafa equals Roger's number of slam titles, there'll only be the number of weeks at #1 that Roger will have over Rafa, unless Rafa surpasses that as well.
It was more than a hundred years before Rafa equalled the record of 8 straight titles at one tournament, and when the record was first held, the champion only had to compete in the final not go through the rounds like Rafa had to do.
Once Rafa equals Roger's number of slam titles, there'll only be the number of weeks at #1 that Roger will have over Rafa, unless Rafa surpasses that as well.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
The fact is, Rafa is around so that's a bogus point.
primetennis
Rookie
smart,eh??that was in reply to a post which said if federer hadn't been around..
Flash O'Groove
Hall of Fame
Yes I agree with you, but we never know. Things could change fast. I don't see anyone beating nadal's record only with fitness or talent, but maybe with new racket technology or medicine technology.
Nadal has been able to play each RG because he had access to platelet treatment, when other players from the past couldn't because that wasn't available. Maybe some new medicine technology will allow players to play longer than now, at a higher physical level than now. If this kinf of scenario occure, maybe someone could beat this record.
primetennis
Rookie
like that's going to happen..lolzz:lol:
If not Rafa, someone will break that record pretty soon, unless we go back to
the surface specialized conditions between 1970s-1990's.
Under current homogeneous conditions (or pre Open era when 3 out of
4 slams were played on same surface), someone will win 20+ soon.
But winning 7+ on clay, which has been pretty much same conditon
for tennis history, essentially never happened. (of course, except
on womens side, Chris Evert)
TopFH
Hall of Fame
Nadal will have another 2009/2011 next year so maybe 2014.
Bud
Bionic Poster
I recall responses like this a few years ago when people were posting 16 > 6
16 > 11 is a much smaller margin
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