a striking thoughtHe didn't win enough slams to be an ATG imo
He didn't win enough slams to be an ATG imo
That's his problem. An ATG would have found a solution, and lessened the damage (and probably won at least the 3 more slams against them Andy needed to be considered an ATG).. Andy Roddick lost a bunch of slam finals to Federer as well. That's sad for Roddick, but it doesn't make him an ATG because he kept losing slam finals to Federer.11 Grand Slam finals, 10 played vs 2 of the top 3 players of all time.
Yeeeeahh I have an idea why he didn't win more Slams.
Did Agassi found a solution to Federer once Fed hit his stride? Hell he couldn't even beat Sampras at the USO, then proceeds to win a few Medvedev and Schuetler opens and suddenly he's an ATG.That's his problem. An ATG would have found a solution, and lessened the damage (and probably won at least the 3 more slams against them Andy needed to be considered an ATG).. Andy Roddick lost a bunch of slam finals to Federer as well. That's sad for Roddick, but it doesn't make him an ATG because he kept losing slam finals to Federer.
Defence alone (getting to balls), perhaps, defence to offence (hitting difficult balls from defensive positions), hell no. Fedalovic were all extremely good at that in their primes, Nadal best of all of course. That's what seriously held Murray back from making an ATG game.His defense was on par with the other Big 3 (probably better than Fed's, actually), but his offense was a bit lacking.
Having a quite similar game and game plan to Djokovic, and yet being slightly outclassed by the latter in several key areas was also a killer.
He's still the fourth finest player of the era by a very comfortable margin.
I'm the M-800 from the year 2900 and we still don't have any legitimate ATG criteria.11 Grand Slam finals, 10 played vs 2 of the top 3 players of all time.
Yeeeeahh I have an idea why he didn't win more Slams.
I know you're trolling but Murray never actually faced Nadal in a slam final.Djokodal prevent it.
Nadal beat him in so many semis though. Wimby 08, 10, USO 11, FO 11, Wimby 11, FO 14I know you're trolling but Murray never actually faced Nadal in a slam final.
it will be a bull year 2021 (horoscope), btw..Nadal beat him in so many semis though. Wimby 08, 10, USO 11, FO 11, Wimby 11, FO 14
Stan faced same competition and won 3/4. This excuse doesn't work here.11 Grand Slam finals, 10 played vs 2 of the top 3 players of all time.
Yeeeeahh I have an idea why he didn't win more Slams.
Stan is by far the biggest overperformer in 20 years. His Slam records vs Federer and Nadal are far worse. Never beaten a good Nadal. Never beaten Federer off clay.Stan faced same competition and won 3/4. This excuse doesn't work here.
Djokovic went 5 sets vs Murray because he was *****, no?Stan is by far the biggest overperformer in 20 years. His Slam records vs Federer and Nadal are far worse. Never beaten a good Nadal. Never beaten Federer off clay.
The way Stan is dragged into dragging Murray down is disgusting. He couldn't even beat Murray at RG if not for Murray's body utterly failing him. Hell I might even argue Djokovic was ****e in the 2015 RG final cause he went 5 sets vs Murray the day before.
Should have won a couple more slams still.11 Grand Slam finals, 10 played vs 2 of the top 3 players of all time.
Yeeeeahh I have an idea why he didn't win more Slams.
Which plays into my point. In his 3 meetings with Nadal at Wimbledon Murray won one set combined. No matter how amazing Rafa undoubtedly is, that's just punching bag territory. I'd bet on guys like Roddick or Goran pushing Nadal more (even if they lose all 3 encounters), let alone someone like Becker.Nadal beat him in so many semis though. Wimby 08, 10, USO 11, FO 11, Wimby 11, FO 14
Or alternatively, should have atleast won more sets, ie. been more competitive.Should have won a couple more slams still.
Actually maybe one slam win beating them in route + that in 2/3 more competitive matches in a loss.Or alternatively, should have atleast won more sets, ie. been more competitive.
Should, based on what? It's a circular argument.Should have won a couple more slams still.
True but he wasn't winning any of those slams anyway. (I think Wimby 08 was a QF)Nadal beat him in so many semis though. Wimby 08, 10, USO 11, FO 11, Wimby 11, FO 14
Edberg, Becker and Agassi would have beaten Novak Djokovic at the AO a few times methinks.Should, based on what? It's a circular argument.
He's 9-2 in Slam semis vs non Big 3. One loss to Roddick. One loss to Wawrinka on a broken hip.
Tell me which of the following matches would your Edberg or Becker or Agassi have won
Federer USO 2008
Federer AO 2010
Djokovic AO 2011
Federer Wimb 2012
Djokovic AO 2013
Djokovic AO 2015
Djokovic AO 2016
Djokovic RG 2016.
Here's your answer. None of them.
Here's the complete list of players who have beaten Novak Djokovic in the semis and finals of the Australian Open.Edberg, Becker and Agassi would have beaten Novak Djokovic at the AO a few times methinks.
like agassi beat sampras at wimby+uso=0-6 yea?Edberg, Becker and Agassi would have beaten Novak Djokovic at the AO a few times methinks.
Agassi would have been a big threat at AO. Could have won AO 13 or AO 15 or something like that remember Murray was dead even at one point before he faded away physically.Should, based on what? It's a circular argument.
He's 9-2 in Slam semis vs non Big 3. One loss to Roddick. One loss to Wawrinka on a broken hip.
Tell me which of the following matches would your Edberg or Becker or Agassi have won
Federer USO 2008
Federer AO 2010
Djokovic AO 2011
Federer Wimb 2012
Djokovic AO 2013
Djokovic AO 2015
Djokovic AO 2016
Djokovic RG 2016.
Here's your answer. None of them.
lost to Nadal at RG sf in 2014, probably could have beaten djoko in the final. Rafa wasn’t playing well in the final but still beat Djokovic.11 Grand Slam finals, 10 played vs 2 of the top 3 players of all time.
Yeeeeahh I have an idea why he didn't win more Slams.
Agassi meanwhile very noted for being a better athlete than Murray. Let's be real. 2/4 AOs of his were an absolute joke. And it's not like guys like Kafelnikov were ATG level players either. He has 2 wins over Sampras, himself only 2 time champion and that's it.Agassi would have been a big threat at AO. Could have won AO 13 or AO 15 or something like that remember Murray was dead even at one point before he faded away physically.
Agassi had AO 04 were he had a classic as well and held up better than Murray did physically in any his finals. Sampras is a impressive AO player himself even though i agree he had more luck than Murray in his AOs.Agassi meanwhile very noted for being a better athlete than Murray. Let's be real. 2/4 AOs of his were an absolute joke. And it's not like guys like Kafelnikov were ATG level players either. He has 2 wins over Sampras, himself only 2 time champion and that's it.
on modern slow & high bouncing surfaces, they'd be lucky to be top 20 players and would be described like mugs and pigeons on this board.Agassi would have been a big threat at AO. Could have won AO 13 or AO 15 or something like that remember Murray was dead even at one point before he faded away physically.
Becker is a real threat on faster courts i could see another Wim/USO but that era was a bit further back and depends on how they could adapt to modern tennis.
FactsWhich plays into my point. In his 3 meetings with Nadal at Wimbledon Murray won one set combined. No matter how amazing Rafa undoubtedly is, that's just punching bag territory. I'd bet on guys like Roddick or Goran pushing Nadal more (even if they lose all 3 encounters), let alone someone like Becker.
Murray's 6 years younger than Fed yet half of his slam losses to Fed were in straights. Agassi on his last lags was giving peaking Fed (who was barely ***** losing matches all year long) more trouble.
Lol you are so butthurt. Used to be better, guess life is making you bitter like many of us, llelel.Should, based on what? It's a circular argument.
He's 9-2 in Slam semis vs non Big 3. One loss to Roddick. One loss to Wawrinka on a broken hip.
Tell me which of the following matches would your Edberg or Becker or Agassi have won
Federer USO 2008
Federer AO 2010
Djokovic AO 2011
Federer Wimb 2012
Djokovic AO 2013
Djokovic AO 2015
Djokovic AO 2016
Djokovic RG 2016.
Here's your answer. None of them.
Andy Roddick let Andy Murray stay at his guest house place during the matches against Nadal at Wimbledon.Which plays into my point. In his 3 meetings with Nadal at Wimbledon Murray won one set combined. No matter how amazing Rafa undoubtedly is, that's just punching bag territory. I'd bet on guys like Roddick or Goran pushing Nadal more (even if they lose all 3 encounters), let alone someone like Becker.
Murray's 6 years younger than Fed yet half of his slam losses to Fed were in straights. Agassi on his last lags was giving peaking Fed (who was barely ***** losing matches all year long) more trouble.
Is that Jenny’s house from forest gump?Andy Roddick let Andy Murray stay at his guest house place during the matches against Nadal at Wimbledon.
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NadalGOAT!Considering the large overlap between their primes, it's kinda crazy that he and Nadal never met in a major final.
Bunch of semis/quarters though, plus Nadal is the only player who beat him in all 4 majors!
In my heart he's in the same tier as say Courier, or even Edberg/Becker despite the lack of major titles.
GO ANDEEEH