Why Andy Murray is underrated

[Lleytonstation]

impossible to find it now

It has always been about winning tourney, and the big ones. Great stats, but that is not what they fight for. It is about winning at the right times.

Who cares what Fed's stats were during the WC final if he loses. It is and has always been about winning titles.

 

[tacou]

Wow, these are all great but:

"Murray has won the 8th highest number of matches in the Open Era."

Only seven players have ever won more matches? That is incredible.

 

[Mainad]

Next time don't stop yourself

When I read posts like that it's difficult not to.

 

[Mainad]

You misread me as usual, mate. Murray thrived in a solid era but late 80s - early 90s was even better, so this cannot boost him in comparison.

Sorry, but that's just a matter of opinion. Who says 80s and 90s were better and why wouldn't Murray have thrived in that era as well?

 

[Mainad]

no

Then we can't yet make that call can we (or at least the rest of us can't)?

 

[Lleytonstation]

Sorry, but that's just a matter of opinion. Who says 80s and 90s were better and why wouldn't Murray have thrived in that era as well?

Well because of guys like Courier and Chang...

 

[Lew II]

Murray is an ATG. Will always be remembered as one of the Big4.

 

[megamind]

This implies that Murray should have won. Who wouldn't have a bad finals record if 10 of your finals were against Federer and Djokovic? Basically you're holding against him that Murray is not better than two players who when their careers end, either could potentially be considered the greatest of all time, i.e., Murray is not that good because he didn't consistently beat the very best players ever.

But it shows how far he is from ever being a GOAT. There are other players with better records against the Big 3

Murray couldn’t really figure them out

 

[Mainad]

But it shows how far he is from ever being a GOAT. There are other players with better records against the Big 3

Murray couldn’t really figure them out

Who are these players with better records against the Big 3? Enquiring minds are keen to know!

 

[Lleytonstation]

Who are these players with better records against the Big 3? Enquiring minds are keen to know!

Karlovic.

But joking aside, there is really no one other than guys that are 10 years younger.

 

[Mainad]

Karlovic.

But joking aside, there is really no one other than guys that are 10 years younger.

There is no-one other than no-one. Nobody has a better record against the Big 3 as a whole than Murray.

 

[megamind]

There is no-one other than no-one. Nobody has a better record against the Big 3 as a whole than Murray.

Thiem
Zverev
Kyrgios
Roddick
Davydenko

All have great, if not better records against big 3

 

[Lleytonstation]

There is no-one other than no-one. Nobody has a better record against the Big 3 as a whole than Murray.

Smaller sample size, but Thiem is right there.

 

[thrust]

Pretty sure Nadal can live with that stat about winning percentage on hardcourt. He won 5 slams on this surface, Murray won 1.

Therein lies the problem for Murray, and especially for you. Murray is a great player but just not quite in the same league as Fed, Rafa and Novak. SORRY!

 

[StrongRule]

Therein lies the problem for Murray, and especially for you. Murray is a great player but just not quite in the same league as Fed, Rafa and Novak. SORRY!

Murray is NOT a great player.

 

[StrongRule]

Then people get outraged when you say he is an ATG.

These stats speak volumes.

Lol, same as always. You just do everything to make Djokovic's competition look better than it really was. This actually proves you don't believe yourself that his competition was strong in 2015.

 

[Zara]

I get outraged when people say he is not ATG. He clearly is. No angry fan can change that.

Lmho!

 

[RF-18]

Lol, same as always. You just do everything to make Djokovic's competition look better than it really was. This actually proves you don't believe yourself that his competition was strong in 2015.

You are totally wrong and as always you can't take someone elses opinion and instead turn to baseless theories cause you have nothing else to add. Pretty low. Did you read the op? That's ATG stats.

 

[Third Serve]

Who are these players with better records against the Big 3? Enquiring minds are keen to know!

Dominik Hrbaty.

 

[ibbi]

A lot of these stats where you're comparing him to guys from previous generations are completely bogus, because the changes in the game have made it easier to win matches on all surfaces without having to do a whole lot different than ever before.

 

[DSH]

Good but not that good!

 

[Mainad]

Thiem
Zverev
Kyrgios
Roddick
Davydenko

All have great, if not better records against big 3

Ummm nope. Murray has double digit victories against Federer and Djokovic. No other player has this except other members of the Big 3:

Murray v Big 3 (29 wins)
Thiem v Big 3 11 wins)
Zverev v Big 3 (5 wins)
Kyrgios v Big 3 ( 7 wins)
Roddick v Big 3 ( 11 wins)
Davydenko v Big 3 (10 wins)

None of these other players come close to having the success against the Big 3 that Murray has had.

This is the problem when so many would-be detractors think they can disparage Murray's record wothout knowing the first thing about it. Never fails to amaze me.

If you want to criticise someone, at least make sure of your facts. In Murray's case so many critics don't even bother to pay him the basic courtesy of learning them!

 

[Mainad]

Smaller sample size, but Thiem is right there.

'Fraid he isn't. He has 11 wins against the Big 3 v 29 for Murray.

 

[Mainad]

Dominik Hrbaty.

Hrbaty has 5 wins against the Big 3 v 29 for Murray.

 

[Mainad]

Murray is NOT a great player.

Only in your strange little universe mate.

 

[Third Serve]

Hrbaty has 5 wins against the Big 3 v 29 for Murray.

You said "records", not total wins. As it stands, Hrbaty's record against the Big 3 is 6-3, counting a challenger win against Djokovic in 2004. If not, then it's 5-3.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

OK, don´t compare post-homogenization era players with pre-homogenization era players because the post guys are at an advantage. That pretty much takes away your early stats as real arguments.

As for Olympics, everyone knows he got lucky both time with the draws and how things played out in the semis and finales.

And Olympics are overrated anyway.

Still, he is underrated but that´s only by tennis know-nothings who believe that only the Big 3 are what tennis is about.

 

[megamind]

Ummm nope. Murray has double digit victories against Federer and Djokovic. No other player has this except other members of the Big 3:

Murray v Big 3 (29 wins)
Thiem v Big 3 11 wins)
Zverev v Big 3 (5 wins)
Kyrgios v Big 3 ( 7 wins)
Roddick v Big 3 ( 11 wins)
Davydenko v Big 3 (10 wins)

None of these other players come close to having the success against the Big 3 that Murray has had.

This is the problem when so many would-be detractors think they can disparage Murray's record wothout knowing the first thing about it. Never fails to amaze me.

If you want to criticise someone, at least make sure of your facts. In Murray's case so many critics don't even bother to pay him the basic courtesy of learning them!

Not about double digits it’s about percentage of wins

 

[Mainad]

You said "records", not total wins. As it stands, Hrbaty's record against the Big 3 is 6-3, counting a challenger win against Djokovic in 2004. If not, then it's 5-3.

Almost all of Hrbaty's wins came very early in the careers of the Big 3 and he won no title matches against them so there can be no comparison with Murray's record.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

don't think he's overrrrrrrrrated: he played decently in lost of translation.

... BILL WITH IT !!!

PS: who's 'andy' murray ?

 

[Mainad]

Not about double digits it’s about percentage of wins

Size of sample and record in big title matches must also be taken into account. Murray has played the Big 3 many more times than any other non-Big 3 player and has won many more big title matches against them (12 vs 3 for Zverev, 2 for Davydenko, 1 for Thiem, 0 for Roddick or Kyrgios).

 

[Third Serve]

Almost all of Hrbaty's wins came very early in the careers of the Big 3 and he won no title matches against them so there can be no comparison with Murray's record.

I know, I was just trolling.

 

[Zara]

Only in your strange little universe mate.

The Universe of the Strong Rules?

 

[MichaelNadal]

Scottish Ferrer

 

[Zara]

Scottish Ferrer

As if Spanish Ferrer won so many slams and masters.

 

[Mainad]

Scottish Ferrer

Ferrer should be so flattered!

 

[megamind]

Scottish Ferrer

 

[OhYes]

Bcs of Novak degrading, nothing else.

 

[Bobby Jr]

Murray has reached more major semis than McEnroe, Edberg, and Wilander.

All have at least twice as many major titles than him.

Murray has reached more major quarterfinals than Pete Sampras.

Sampras has more than 4 majors for every major Murray has done.

Murray has won the same number of matches at the Australian Open that Lendl and Agassi had and more than Sampras did.

Murry has zero Australian open titles, Lendl has two.

Agassi has four.

Sampras has two.

Which one of these facts is the most surprising to you?

None. Majoring in semifnals/quarterfinals is a chump's game for 3rd tier, maybe not even 3rd, players.

 

[megamind]

All have at least twice as many major titles than him.


Sampras has more than 4 majors for every major Murray has done.


Murry has zero Australian open titles, Lendl has two.

Agassi has four.

Sampras has two.


None. Majoring in semifnals/quarterfinals is a chump's game for 3rd tier, maybe not even 3rd, players.

Facts is this man dont win ****. All time choker? All time most consistent 2nd placer? These are the titles we should be naming him

 

[megamind]

Reporter: Murray, congrats on reaching the finals, how do you win?
Murray: (smirk) I don’t

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

2 words: Novak Djokovic

These would not be valid in a game of Scrabble, so are unequivocally dismissed as valid suggestions.

 

[Deleted member 758560]

don't think he's overrrrrrrrrated: he played decently in lost of translation.

... BILL WITH IT !!!

PS: who's 'andy' murray ?

but this shot is from groundhog day

 

[LETitBE]

Muzzard dispatches Kyrgios with consummate ease

something the big 3 cannot say

 

[megamind]

Muzzard dispatches Kyrgios with consummate ease

something the big 3 cannot say

Yet Kyrgios has a better record against the big 3 than measly murray

 

[megamind]

I actually like Murray as a player

Just don’t think he should be regarded even close to being an ATG as some in this thread will have you believe

 

[Zardoz7/12]

He's "overrated" to people who never liked him, how can you have an unbiased opinion if you have a dislike of that player?

He in my opinion is not an ATG and I say that as a staunch fan, I remember making threads about this 3 years ago on here when I was under another name (I asked for a break), Murray is not an ATG, in my opinion Murray is where Kuerten and Courier are on the ATG lists, he's going in the tennis hall of fame, he's going to be remembered whether you like him or not so deal with it.

 

[Pistol10]

How many times he won a tournament while all the big 3 were in?

 

[blablavla]

I'm not even a big Murray fan, but I just noticed this collection of stats.

Murray has the 8th highest winning percentage (77.5%) in the Open Era, better than Sampras, Becker, Agassi, Edberg, and Wilander.

Murray has the 9th highest winning percentage (55.2%) against top 10 players in the Open Era, better than Agassi, Wilander, Edberg.

Murray has the 4th highest winning percentage (83.6%) on grass, higher than Borg, Sampras, Laver, Connors, and Becker.

Murray has the 9th best winning percentage on hard court in the Open Era, better than Nadal’s.

Murray has 2 Olympic gold medals, beating Djokovic then Federer in 2012 and del Potro in 2016.

Andy Murray has played 856 tennis matches in his career. 85 of them were played against Federer (25), Nadal (24), and Djokovic (36), arguably the three best players ever to play the game. This means that 10% of his career has been spent playing against Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic. Murray is a combined 29-56 against them (34%). Until 2014, Murray had a winning head-to-head against Federer and was 6-4 against peak Federer in 2005-2009.

Other than the Big 3, no one who’s played Murray more than 5 times has a winning head-to-head against him. Murray’s two other biggest rivals in terms of number of matches played are Ferrer and Wawrinka. Murray is 14-6 against Ferrer and 11-8 against Wawrinka.

Murray has reached 11 Grand Slam major finals, the same number that McEnroe, Edberg, and Wilander did. Murray played Federer or Djokovic in 10 of these, losing to Federer 3 times and to Djokovic 5 times. In the 3 that Murray won, he beat Djokovic at the U.S. Open and Wimbledon and beat Raonic at Wimbledon.

Murray has reached more major semis than McEnroe, Edberg, and Wilander.

Murray has reached more major quarterfinals than Pete Sampras.

Murray has won the 8th highest number of matches in the Open Era.

Murray has won the same number of matches at the Australian Open that Lendl and Agassi had and more than Sampras did.

Murray has won more matches at Wimbledon than Nadal and Edberg.

Murray has the 8th highest winning percentage (85%) at Wimbledon in the Open Era, higher than McEnroe and Connors.

Murray has 10th highest winning percentage (80%) at the French Open in the Open Era, higher than champions like Agassi, Bruguera, Chang, Ferrero, Kafelnikov, Moya, Muster, and Wawrinka.

Murray is one of only 7 men in the Open Era to reach all 4 major semis in the same year.

Which one of these facts is the most surprising to you?

too many are into "glory hunting".
so, without big titles -> everything else doesn't matter for the glory hunters.
those who like the game, will know that he is a great player.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

but this shot is from groundhog day

I wasn't sure (he had a mic but looked a bit young!) but I'm glad someone finally noticed it
(but somehow the sentence sounded better with lost in translation... can't tell why!)

Ps: his shots are underrated