Why Andy Murray is underrated

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
1.
Murray vs big 3 in slams: 5-20 combined (20%)
Wawa vs big 3 in slams: 6-14 combined (30%) - clearly better
Tsonga vs big 3 in slams: 4-13 combined (23.52%)
Del potro vs big 3 in slams: 4-15 combined (21%)
Even Berdych has a better slam H2H against the big three than Murray (16-5). I think we discussed that once and you excluded him because one win against Djokovic was the retirement at Wimbledon 2017. Anywho, all this shows that Murray didn’t do any better against the big three at slams than less successful players (mostly worse), so this is definitely something to hold against him.
2. Courier > Vilas.
and Newk > Murray

Courier was #1 in a tough field for quite some time and won 4 slams. Vilas won 2 full majors RG 77, USO 77. and YEC 74 which can be considered to be a major. Vilas had a great 77, but not 3 years like Courier's 91-93.

Newk is like nearing Becker/Edberg/Wilander level. Above Murray. higher peak level and clearly better mental strength.
Won Wim 70, Wim 71, USO 73. the WCT tour in 74 ( a big deal, somewhat similar to a major).
did win AO 75 (weak field, but beat Connors) and amateur slams in Wim 67 and USO 67.
Agree with all here especially about Newcombe and Murray.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Even Berdych has a better slam H2H against the big three than Murray (16-5). I think we discussed that once and you excluded him because one win against Djokovic was the retirement at Wimbledon 2017. Anywho, all this shows that Murray didn’t do any better against the big three at slams than less successful players (mostly worse), so this is definitely something to hold against him.

Lol.......so winning 2 Slams. a WTF, an Olympics and 8 Masters against the Big 3 somehow makes Murray no better than any other player they faced?? Wow, so other players must somehow have done so much better against them. I wonder who they were???
 

AgassiSuperSlam11

Hall of Fame
Murray played the "Big 3" total of 85 matches which is more than the recent GS champions (excluding the big 3 members). Interestingly, when it came to finals he was rather competitive 14-17.

Notable GS Champions (Since 2000) record against the Big 3 Minimum 25 Matches:
Thiem 16-18 (47%)
Murray 29-56 (34.1)
Hewitt 14-31 (31.1%)
Delpo 17-45 (27.4%)
Roddick 11-32 (25.6%)
JC Ferrero 6-19 (24%)
Wawrinka 12-62 (16.2%)
Cilic 5-35 (14.2%)
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
Imagine if Murray had Roddick or Tsonga's serve or even Fritz or Shelton's. I say it turns that 3-8 slam finals record completely around and those guys having 22 to around 16-ish.
He probably wouldn't be as injured running less from free service points. There's several women serving with more speed than him.
Murray had a great first serve, but his second serve sucks.
:X3:
 

zvelf

Hall of Fame
Lol.......so winning 2 Slams. a WTF, an Olympics and 8 Masters against the Big 3 somehow makes Murray no better than any other player they faced?? Wow, so other players must somehow have done so much better against them. I wonder who they were???

People here have to pretend only slams matter to put down Murray. Olympics don't matter. Master 1000s don't matter. Interesting.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
Lol.......so winning 2 Slams. a WTF, an Olympics and 8 Masters against the Big 3 somehow makes Murray no better than any other player they faced?? Wow, so other players must somehow have done so much better against them. I wonder who they were???
Lol right back for the poor reading comprehension skills (and you are a native speaker if I am not mistaken). I explicitly said and listed slam H2H, so yes Murray did worse against the big 3 at Slams. WTF, Olympics and Masters are completely irrelevant here. Given that he is so far ahead in achievements one has to ask, why guys like Berdych and Tsonga habe better slam H2Hs against the big 3 than him (let alone Stan who is even considerably better here).
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Lol right back for the poor reading comprehension skills (and you are a native speaker if I am not mistaken). I explicitly said and listed slam H2H, so yes Murray did worse against the big 3 at Slams. WTF, Olympics and Masters are completely irrelevant here. Given that he is so far ahead in achievements one has to ask, why guys like Berdych and Tsonga habe better slam H2Hs against the big 3 than him (let alone Stan who is even considerably better here).
This is a fair question
 

D.Nalby12

G.O.A.T.
Murray is anything but underrated. Without having any significant achievements to talk about - he was considered to part of Big players group. Other three happen to be GOATs otoh Murray doesn't have a single slam that would separate him from Wawrinka. Murray is definition of overrated player - thanks to support of powerful media. If he was Serbian instead - he would be nobody in Tennis world.
 
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