Why are certain Fed fans obsessed with dismissing Medvedev?

[Sport]

Probably, most of you have noticed a universal pattern on this forum.

Whenever Medvedev loses a Grand Slam match, a forum member (surprisingly, always a Federer supporter) starts a thread to dismiss the Russian, calling him "mug", comparing him negatively with Roddick (despite the fact that the latter possesses a slightly less succesful resume), making hyperbolic assertions such as "this is the weakest era of all time", etc.

Why does the Russian player infuriate so much certain members of this fanbase? When did they become haters of the Russian and what did motivate it?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Because he is the only one in next gen who is worthy and attacking him they want to say Rafole won in vaccum.

Fed also never played Medvedev after reaching his prime and has 2 matches while Meddy was nobody so they want to brag.

 

[nolefam_2024]

You see they don't brag about Thiem because he owned old Fed. They will always talk Medvedev because Fed won 2 matches vs pre prime Med.

 

[Sport]

You see they don't brag about Thiem because he owned old Fed. They will always talk Medvedev because Fed won 2 matches vs pre prime Med.

Yes, I see Fed fans in general respect a lot more Thiem.

Obviously, due to his short-lived prime (2017-2020) and nonexistent longevity, Thiem has a worse career than Medvedev.

But peak for peak, I'd personally choose Thiem over Medvedev.

Remember Thiem destroyed the Mad Lad in 3 at the USO 2020.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Yes, I see Fed fans in general respect a lot more Thiem.

Obviously, due to his short-lived prime (2017-2020) and nonexistent longevity, Thiem has a worse career than Medvedev.

But peak for peak, I'd personally choose Thiem over Medvedev.

Remember Thiem destroyed the Mad Lad in 3 at the USO 2020.

Maybe

I see Medvedev as equal peak as Thiem. You might have forgotten he beat 5 top 10 in a row in 2020 ATP finals. That was amazing. His 2020 to 2021 made him real number 1 in 2021 itself at 10780 pts in 2021 and yet he was number 2.
He became number 1 in 2022 because covid rules helped Nole but he was that good.

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Thiem is not great. He had 1 good year outside RG

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

I like Andrei Medvedev.

 

[Fabresque]

It all stems to the Roddick debate and the idea of a “weak era”.

They don’t want to admit Federer’s era was weak, Roddick was probably the best player in that era minus Fed. So they have to prop him up.

Medvedev’s career is eerily similar to Roddick, talented players who reached multiple slam finals that got stopped by GOAT level players (Fed to Roddick, Nadal+Djokovic to Medvedev). 1 slam each. A pretty small amount of weeks at No.1, etc.. so comparisons happen between them all the time.

Fed fans need to find a way to make this era look as weak as possible to “punish” Djokodal’s success, best way to do that is to punish this gen’s Roddick.

 

[nolefam_2024]

It all stems to the Roddick debate and the idea of a “weak era”.

They don’t want to admit Federer’s era was weak, Roddick was probably the best player in that era minus Fed. So they have to prop him up.

Medvedev’s career is eerily similar to Roddick, talented player who reached multiple slam finals that got stopped by GOAT level players (Nadal, Djokovic). 1 slam each. A pretty small amount of weeks at No.1, etc.. so comparisons happen between them all the time.

Fed fans need to find a way to make this era look as weak as possible to “punish” Djokodal’s success, best way to do that is to punish this gen’s Roddick.

Only problem is meddy is still top 5 player in the world. His window is closing fast but he has so many chances still.

 

[Hood_Man]

Wut

 

[Fabresque]

Only problem is meddy is still top 5 player in the world. His window is closing fast but he has so many chances still.

He’s about to be 29 and his results this year are not as good as last year. Roddick retired at what, 32? The decline is setting in, his last chance for a slam win could be AO 2025.

 

[metsman]

Do we seriously need a reason to log onto a message board call a guy a mug and have a few ROFLMAOs? We're not showing up to his front door and pissing in his cheerios or borscht or whatever. Seriously what is the world coming to?

 

[nolefam_2024]

He’s about to be 29 and his results this year are not as good as last year. Roddick retired at what, 32? The decline is setting in, his last chance for a slam win could be AO 2025.

His results are worse but not that much worse dude. He was in AO finals 2 sets up and Wimby semis.
You have very high expectations.

Nole /Meddy/ Zverev all three had same results in slams.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

 

[matterer]

I think he's the best example of the decline.

 

[Sport]

Maybe

I see Medvedev as equal peak as Thiem. You might have forgotten he beat 5 top 10 in a row in 2020 ATP finals. That was amazing. His 2020 to 2021 made him real number 1 in 2021 itself at 10780 pts in 2021 and yet he was number 2.
He became number 1 in 2022 because covid rules helped Nole but he was that good.

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Thiem is not great. He had 1 good year outside RG

Yeah, he only had 3 good runs in Slams outside clay (USO 2018, with that epic 5 setter clash with Nadal, his great AO 2020 run beating Nadal and pushing Novak to 5 in the final and the USO 2020 where he won the title after beating FAA, Medvedev and Zverev). Medvedev has been far more consistent.

 

[Sport]

It all stems to the Roddick debate and the idea of a “weak era”.

They don’t want to admit Federer’s era was weak, Roddick was probably the best player in that era minus Fed. So they have to prop him up.

Medvedev’s career is eerily similar to Roddick, talented player who reached multiple slam finals that got stopped by GOAT level players (Nadal, Djokovic). 1 slam each. A pretty small amount of weeks at No.1, etc.. so comparisons happen between them all the time.

Fed fans need to find a way to make this era look as weak as possible to “punish” Djokodal’s success, best way to do that is to punish this gen’s Roddick.

Thanks for this insightful analysis. Magnificent post.

 

[ghostofMecir]

Probably, most of you have noticed a universal pattern on this forum.

Whenever Medvedev loses a Grand Slam match, a forum member (surprisingly, always a Federer supporter) starts a thread to dismiss the Russian, calling him "mug", comparing him negatively with Roddick (despite the fact that the latter possesses a slightly less succesful resume), making hyperbolic assertions such as "this is the weakest era of all time", etc.

Why does the Russian player infuriate so much certain members of this fanbase? When did they become haters of the Russian and what did motivate it?

The only one who is obsessed is you as it seems every other one of your posts is about Federer.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Yeah, he only had 3 good runs in Slams outside clay (USO 2018, with that epic 5 setter clash with Nadal, his great AO 2020 run beating Nadal and pushing Novak to 5 in the final and the USO 2020 where he won the title after beating FAA, Medvedev and Zverev). Medvedev has been far more consistent.

Also 1 masters title only. 2 big titles in whole career
Its nothing to do with longevity. Meddy won 2 big titles in 2019 itself. Then 2 in 2020 and 2021. He is as good a peak player as Thiem.

 

[ND-13]

OP, you know Thiem’s wins was against 37 year old and most of them saving or surviving close matches ? You talk as though Thiem beat peak Fed handily

 

[ghostofMecir]

You see they don't brag about Thiem because he owned old Fed. They will always talk Medvedev because Fed won 2 matches vs pre prime Med.

And… Fed was in his prime? Lol he was 100 years old and Medvedev was on the rise and look like a future level player. Medvedev could not return his serve at all and fed read serve like a book. Medvedev versus Federer would’ve been like a Rod versus Federer lopsided head to head. There’s no evidence to the contrary.

 

[GabeT]

Do we seriously need a reason to log onto a message board call a guy a mug and have a few ROFLMAOs? We're not showing up to his front door and pissing in his cheerios or borscht or whatever. Seriously what is the world coming to?

Did you ask for permission to post this?

 

[I get cramps]

Probably, most of you have noticed a universal pattern on this forum.

Whenever Medvedev loses a Grand Slam match, a forum member (surprisingly, always a Federer supporter) starts a thread to dismiss the Russian, calling him "mug", comparing him negatively with Roddick (despite the fact that the latter possesses a slightly less succesful resume), making hyperbolic assertions such as "this is the weakest era of all time", etc.

Why does the Russian player infuriate so much certain members of this fanbase? When did they become haters of the Russian and what did motivate it?

Why would Federer's staunch fans hate Medvedev? No reason. Their expert tennis analyses, psychological evaluations, theories such as the so-called 'weak era', and scientific explanations of the concept of 'vulturing' make the postulators of the existence of phlogiston pass for geniuses.

These guys are like that, nothing they do or say is less interesting than what a chimpanzee does or says, but nothing they do or say is more interesting than what a chimpanzee does or says.

 

[ND-13]

Djokovic gave s&v lessons to Medvedev at Paris that he hasn’t forgotten until now

Imagine what Fed would do to him

 

[Fabresque]

Djokovic gave s&v lessons to Medvedev at Paris that he hasn’t forgotten until now

Imagine what Fed would do to him

You’re claiming Medvedev was a one trick pony which is true, he was kinda limited. But Roddick wasn’t? He only had a serve and forehand. Volley game non existent. Backhand for big parts of his career non existent. He was a one trick pony just on the other end of the spectrum.

 

[Sputnik Bulgorov]

It all stems to the Roddick debate and the idea of a “weak era”.

They don’t want to admit Federer’s era was weak, Roddick was probably the best player in that era minus Fed. So they have to prop him up.

Medvedev’s career is eerily similar to Roddick, talented player who reached multiple slam finals that got stopped by GOAT level players (Nadal, Djokovic). 1 slam each. A pretty small amount of weeks at No.1, etc.. so comparisons happen between them all the time.

Fed fans need to find a way to make this era look as weak as possible to “punish” Djokodal’s success, best way to do that is to punish this gen’s Roddick.

I think you’re making a lot of sense, but if we want to be consistent and call Roddick weak, then we should also call Medvedev weak. Medvedev is slightly more successful than Roddick, but not enough to be placed on a higher tier.

Where I disagree with you is saying Roddick was the best player of that gen minus Fed as Safin and Hewitt were both better than Roddick, but had shorter periods as top players. If Federer’s era is weak, but the 4th best player of Fed gen is as good as the best player of this gen, shouldn’t it follow that this gen is also weak if not weaker?

 

[Subway Tennis]

I never noticed specific Federer fans singling out Medvedev. Who are they?

I’m wondering if for certain Fed fans it might simply be that the two players are so stylistically and tactically different and it’s just a visual and tactical style taste thing.

I know everyone now kind of plays different from Federer, but Medvedev is so stylistically and tactically opposed that I can’t imagine a player who contrasts more with Federer.

Off-topic, but I think the person who hates GOATvedev the most is @Kralingen who I believe is a Nadal fan.

Overall it’s a very interesting observation, and I’m not sure where it leaves folks like me, who are combined Roger GOATerer and Medvedev fans in partial measure.

 

[ND-13]

You’re claiming Medvedev was a one trick pony which is true, he was kinda limited. But Roddick wasn’t? He only had a serve and forehand. Volley game non existent. Backhand for big parts of his career non existent. He was a one trick pony just on the other end of the spectrum.

Medvedev is not a one trick pony but a limited player who cannot handle bag of tricks that are thrown to him

 

[ND-13]

while the OP is correct that lot of Fed fans hate Medvedev, it is not because to attribute it to weak era , which can be done regardless , but mainly a factor of how ugly and far from tradition Medvedev’s style is

 

[Fabresque]

I think you’re making a lot of sense, but if we want to be consistent and call Roddick weak, then we should also call Medvedev weak. Medvedev is slightly more successful than Roddick, but not enough to be placed on a higher tier.

Where I disagree with you is saying Roddick was the best player of that gen minus Fed as Safin and Hewitt were both better than Roddick, but had shorter periods as top players. If Federer’s era is weak, but the 4th best player of Fed gen is as good as the best player of this gen, shouldn’t it follow that this gen is also weak if not weaker?

Thiem-Medvedev could be the same comparison as Safin-Roddick wouldn’t you agree?

Thiem/Safin were better overall and more talented but had less time at the top and less consistency. Right? There’s arguments on here that Thiem is outright the better player than Med. 2020 US Open when their peaks overlapped, Thiem straight setted him. So I don’t think there’s any major difference between these eras.

 

[RaulRamirez]

I never noticed specific Federer fans singling out Medvedev. Who are they?

I’m wondering if for certain Fed fans it might simply be that the two players are so stylistically and tactically different and it’s just a visual and tactical style taste thing.

I know everyone now kind of plays different from Federer, but Medvedev is so stylistically and tactically opposed that I can’t imagine a player who contrasts more with Federer.

Off-topic, but I think the person who hates GOATvedev the most is @Kralingen who I believe is a Nadal fan.

Overall it’s a very interesting observation, and I’m not sure where it leaves folks like me, who are combined Roger GOATerer and Medvedev fans in partial measure.

It could be that (stylistic opposites) or simply the same old (tiresome) practice of using players as proxies in never-ending goat debates.
"I'll see your Roddick Hewitt denigration, and raise you a Medvedev, Tsitsipas and Zverev".

 

[Fabresque]

It could be that (stylistic opposites) or simply the same old (tiresome) practice of using players as proxies in never-ending goat debates.
"I'll see your Roddick Hewitt denigration, and raise you a Medvedev, Tsitsipas and Zverev".

That’s all it is. At the end of the day everyone has different opinions on the debate.

Djokovic fans look at the numbers as they are which point to him as the GOAT.

Fed fans take those numbers and insist there’s certain intangibles which make it impossible to view them with an equal value. Med/Zed/Pas inefficiency is one of those intangibles they bring up.

 

[metsman]

I never noticed specific Federer fans singling out Medvedev. Who are they?

It was claimed not too long ago that Medvedev would be winning matches off peak Federer on grass no problem.

"Federer fans" had the audacity to gently disagree with that claim and here we are I guess, with Joedal fans defending Med to the last few hairs remaining on his head (as usual Djokovic fans lack the self awareness to understand that they shouldn't glorify a guy who embarrassed their guy in the biggest match of his life even if he rolled over every other time, but anyways, that's why we love them!)

 

[Lleytonstation]

Probably, most of you have noticed a universal pattern on this forum.

Whenever Medvedev loses a Grand Slam match, a forum member (surprisingly, always a Federer supporter) starts a thread to dismiss the Russian, calling him "mug", comparing him negatively with Roddick (despite the fact that the latter possesses a slightly less succesful resume), making hyperbolic assertions such as "this is the weakest era of all time", etc.

Why does the Russian player infuriate so much certain members of this fanbase? When did they become haters of the Russian and what did motivate it?

Honestly, I can not remember why. But it is definitely a thing, but for me, it wore off after his USO runs.

 

[jackson vile]

It’s all about insecurity, they hate the fact that two players are historically better superior to Federer. They’re in denial and want Federer to still be the best ever. That’s why they argue that Federer is still the best ever even though he doesn’t own the records to make that claim in the first place.

They attempt to slander this generation as much as possible in order to compensate for that insecurity. Hating the fact that Roddick pointed out that Medvedev is a superior player to him as that also indicates the players ranked above Medvedev are even better than Roddick reinforcing this era being stronger than when Roddick was in his prime.

This proves that the current era is stronger than the era when Federer won a large chunk / majority of his slams and reinforces the difficulty of the records set by Novak.

It’s the same desperate energy sinking, screaming, begging, gasping for air as it drowns every time Novak sets yet another record.

 

[KingCarlitos]

It’s because Med has the ugliest tennis while Fed has the most beautiful.

 

[Biotic]

He had one job.

 

[Ace7]

It all stems to the Roddick debate and the idea of a “weak era”.

They don’t want to admit Federer’s era was weak, Roddick was probably the best player in that era minus Fed. So they have to prop him up.

Medvedev’s career is eerily similar to Roddick, talented players who reached multiple slam finals that got stopped by GOAT level players (Fed to Roddick, Nadal+Djokovic to Medvedev). 1 slam each. A pretty small amount of weeks at No.1, etc.. so comparisons happen between them all the time.

Fed fans need to find a way to make this era look as weak as possible to “punish” Djokodal’s success, best way to do that is to punish this gen’s Roddick.

this is exactly what it is all about. not much to add here really. it is all about to try and protect Federers prime years from 04-06 and push Roddick as much tougher competition then Medvedev despite them being kinda equal.
Of course it fits the agenda of the " weak era " today in downgrading players like Meddy, Zverev etc. And they will always do it with some completely overblown phrases like " told you all Med is bad even Davydenko/Nalbandian would tripple breadstick him. All of them are hurt badly the pain of Federer not being Goat stings forever for those hardcore fans.

 

[KingCarlitos]

this is exactly what it is all about. not much to add here really. it is all about to try and protect Federers prime years from 04-06 and push Roddick as much tougher competition then Medvedev despite them being kinda equal.
Of course it fits the agenda of the " weak era " today in downgrading players like Meddy, Zverev etc. And they will always do it with some completely overblown phrases like " told you all Med is bad even Davydenko/Nalbandian would tripple breadstick him. All of them are hurt badly the pain of Federer not being Goat stings forever for those hardcore fans.

So annoying How some users try to completely overhype mugs of previous era’s to put down top players right now, Weak Era is bull-****e.

 

[The_Order]

 

[aldeayeah]

I'm not a Fed fan, but I can say this with almost certainty:

If they had coexisted anywhere near the height of their powers, Fed would have been an absolute nightmare matchup for Med - to the point that the latter would barely win any matches, if any.

 

[Sudacafan]

Disagree. Fed fans who are Nole haters (99.9% of them) have a lot of respect for Med, especially for what he did at the 2021 USO.

 

[SonnyT]

Med defeated Carlos at '23 US (possibly opening the path for Djokovic) and Jannike at '24 WB. May another slam come his way, thus validating '21 US!

 

[NatF]

Med has lost two slam finals from two sets to love. There is indeed much reason to dismiss him as a competitor.

It's not like Djokodal fans have a vested interest in overrating him either is it?

 

[Sputnik Bulgorov]

Thiem-Medvedev could be the same comparison as Safin-Roddick wouldn’t you agree?

Thiem/Safin were better overall and more talented but had less time at the top and less consistency. Right? There’s arguments on here that Thiem is outright the better player than Med. 2020 US Open when their peaks overlapped, Thiem straight setted him. So I don’t think there’s any major difference between these eras.

Comparable in short time at the top, but Safin is flat out better and more dangerous. 2 slams to 1. Safin beat Sampras, Federer, Hewitt and Ferrero for his slams while Thiem beat Medvedev and needed one of the greatest chokes in history from Zverev.

You didn’t account for Hewitt at all, who is also flat out better than all of the players in this era. Note I’m not counting Sinner and Alcaraz. The difference isn’t as massive as Fed fans want you to believe, but I think this era is weaker.

 

[Razer]

Best players born in 1980s

01. Djokovic
02. Federer
03. Nadal
04. Murray
05. Safin
06. Hewitt
07. Roddick
08. Wawrinka

Best players born in 1990s

01. Medvedev
02. Thiem
03. Zverev


Now do you you understand why people consider Medvedev to be garbage ?

The best player of 1990s gen is only as good as the 7th or 8th best player of the 1980s gen. Nobody really rates Med as great... he is a glorified Davydenko.

 

[ActualTennisPlayer]

I think you’re making a lot of sense, but if we want to be consistent and call Roddick weak, then we should also call Medvedev weak. Medvedev is slightly more successful than Roddick, but not enough to be placed on a higher tier.

Where I disagree with you is saying Roddick was the best player of that gen minus Fed as Safin and Hewitt were both better than Roddick, but had shorter periods as top players. If Federer’s era is weak, but the 4th best player of Fed gen is as good as the best player of this gen, shouldn’t it follow that this gen is also weak if not weaker?

Hewitt and Safin were mostly successful before Feds rise though. During 2003-2006, the YE ranks were:
- Safin: 77, 4, 12, 26
- Hewitt: 17, 3, 4, 20
- Roddick: 1, 2, 3, 6

Of that generation, Roddick was Feds main rival - not Hewitt and safin.

 

[ActualTennisPlayer]

Best players born in 1980s

01. Djokovic
02. Federer
03. Nadal
04. Murray
05. Safin
06. Hewitt
07. Roddick
08. Wawrinka

Best players born in 1990s

01. Medvedev
02. Thiem
03. Zverev


Now do you you understand why people consider Medvedev to be garbage ?

The best player of 1990s gen is only as good as the 7th or 8th best player of the 1980s gen. Nobody really rates Med as great... he is a glorified Davydenko.

lol at rating Safin and hewitt higher than Wawrinka.

 

[Omega_7000]

Because Djokovic fans hype Medvedev up as if he is an ATG level talent. He's not! He got lucky with one slam but he is nowhere near the great players of the past!

 

[Third Serve]

lol at rating Safin and hewitt higher than Wawrinka.

You can definitely rate Hewitt higher. Stan was way streakier and doesn’t have much to show outside his Slams, though he was definitely impressive in his Slam victories (well, two of them at least). Hewitt has a better resume and was more well-rounded across the different surfaces. Not to mention Stan enjoyed a matchup advantage against Djokovic that Hewitt never really had with the dominant player of his era.

Tougher to make an argument for Safin, though, given he was about as streaky and had a shorter prime period. You could say that his Slam wins were more impressive given the beatdown he laid on a good Sampras in 2000 and winning possibly the highest quality match of all time in 2005.

 

[helterskelter]

I like Andrei Medvedev.

These days, he would get so much heat for his Tsitsipas-esque waxing lyrical about how falling in love with Anke Huber inspired his run to the final of Roland Garros 1999.