If Federer were out of the top 5 at Wimbledon, he could have met Djokovic when the grass was playing more like grass, which would have been beneficial. Djokovic is a big beneficiary of beaten down dead grass, come finals time.
Why are Federer Fans still disappointed?
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If Federer were out of the top 5 at Wimbledon, he could have met Djokovic when the grass was playing more like grass, which would have been beneficial. Djokovic is a big beneficiary of beaten down dead grass, come finals time.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
problem is if Roger was falling out of top 5 then his level and foot speed is rapidly declining, and he will be no match for Novak in earlier rounds... then he will need even bigger racket.
That is true, it would suggest his level of play dropped significantly. Best scenario would be for one to drop out of the top 5 temporarily then recover form before Wimbledon at Queens or Halle, which could set up a week 1 meeting.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Brilliant........strategy... Why don't you email Stephan Edberg and see what he saids.....he might employ that strategy next year. What fee would you charge Roger ?
I'm not saying it's a strategy, no one ever aims to do worse. I'm just saying that Djokovic has benefited from dead beaten down grass come finals time, just as he benefitted from the weather being different and better for his game in the final than the rest of the week at the USO.
But it would be fantastic if Djokovic's level fell down enough until just before Wimbledon for that to happen. Actually, I can't wait for his level to fall off the cliff just like Nadal's did. Federer may very well be in the top 10 more years from now than Djokovic if the same thing happens...however, Djokovic is the strongest player by ELO for his age, as is Federer for his.
okdude1992
Hall of Fame
Probably disappointed because despite a really poor first 1.5 sets Federer could have still won this.
The 3rd set was back and forth, but Djokovic's serve game at 3-4 really changed everything. I remember one BP Fed missed in that game was a sitter short forehand. He loses that game, then gets broken from 40-15 up, and fails again when he had chances to get back on serve at 5-5. Match pretty much over at that point, despite the late comeback attempt.
4/23 BP conversion, and 1/11 on second serve BP. That's poor no matter how you look at it.
The 3rd set was back and forth, but Djokovic's serve game at 3-4 really changed everything. I remember one BP Fed missed in that game was a sitter short forehand. He loses that game, then gets broken from 40-15 up, and fails again when he had chances to get back on serve at 5-5. Match pretty much over at that point, despite the late comeback attempt.
4/23 BP conversion, and 1/11 on second serve BP. That's poor no matter how you look at it.
Emiliano55
Professional
I want Djokovic or Nadal to surpass Roger record, honestly. I want all this "Roger greatness" BS to be over already. He hasn't won a single EPIC GS match against a top player in his entire career. He had another shot at that yesterday, and he failed, AGAIN.
Djokovic and Nadal have won A LOT of EPIC matches between the greatest of this era. Federer, aside for that 2007 Wimbledon, hasn't won ANY. On the contrary, he has lost the majority of the epic matches against his main rivals. So, where is the greatness ?
And no, I won't count the 16-14 5th set against RODDICK. Just because it was RODDICK.
Djokovic and Nadal have won A LOT of EPIC matches between the greatest of this era. Federer, aside for that 2007 Wimbledon, hasn't won ANY. On the contrary, he has lost the majority of the epic matches against his main rivals. So, where is the greatness ?
And no, I won't count the 16-14 5th set against RODDICK. Just because it was RODDICK.
gn
G.O.A.T.
Emiliano55
Professional
Nadal is far from finish. He will be a contender for all GS next year.
gn
G.O.A.T.
LULZ. He really is not.
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RF20Lennon
Legend
I wasn't disappointed last year when he was blown off the court by Cilic. Too good I said.
But this year he could've won it in 4 if he didn't fold. He set up so many opportunities but never made use of them. He could've had 18! Be content with 17 you say? Why the hell should I? and why the hell should he? Ambition is what drives us forward.
But this year he could've won it in 4 if he didn't fold. He set up so many opportunities but never made use of them. He could've had 18! Be content with 17 you say? Why the hell should I? and why the hell should he? Ambition is what drives us forward.
RF20Lennon
Legend
I'm sure Nadal will be back but for Federer it was a mixture of that back injury and some mental issues but once he became healthy he had a good year. Nadal is not as good physically and is dealing with a lot of confidence issues so it'll be a little tougher.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
It's disappointing to see Federer cream the competition in earlier rounds in slams and then come up short against Nadal and now Djokovic in final after final. If he is truly the GOAT ( a concept I don't believe in) he should have figured out how to beat Djokovic in at least one of the last three slam finals even at his age. There's no excuse for it. His form at the last two slams prior to the finals was impeccable. The truth is he is missing self-belief vs Djokovic in slams these days.
drewdoo
New User
I am disappointed because I feel his game and his tennis are beautiful. I give all credit to Novak. He is a great player, sportsman and champion but when he won the match, I felt like it was a less elegant or beautiful form of tennis triumphing over a more beautiful style of tennis.
Obviously this is just my opinion re: which style of tennis is more ' beautiful,' but that's why I am disappointed. I am biased to Fed's game and style and badly want to believe it is best.
Obviously this is just my opinion re: which style of tennis is more ' beautiful,' but that's why I am disappointed. I am biased to Fed's game and style and badly want to believe it is best.
Bukmeikara
Legend
Only here a 34 years old reaching two Major finals in a row can somehow be used against him, a thing that makes his resume worse not better. The best player of all time been called mentaly weak or a choker.
TheMusicLover
G.O.A.T.
My disappointment is mostly based on the fact that he suddenly completely abandonned a winning playing style which earned him two masters on a comparable surface merely a couple of weeks ago.
With indeed creaming all of the earlier opponents with exact that winning attacking style even during this USO.
There's just NO excuse of the tons of lame return games, squandering the most of no less than 11 BPs on Djok's 2nd serve. Nor is there for being up 40-15 in the final set, and then committing five UEs in a row, literally handing over the match to Djok.
Yes, Djokovic deserved this victory, don't get me wrong about it, but I'd rather see a fav of mine go down after a decent FIGHT, or even being pummeled off the court by Nadal at his peak on clay (simply TOO GOOD at those occasions), than this lame exhibition of immensely poor mental fortitude.
But hey, it's only a game, and perhaps Fed fans should rather just be happy about him making two GS finals again at his age.
With indeed creaming all of the earlier opponents with exact that winning attacking style even during this USO.
There's just NO excuse of the tons of lame return games, squandering the most of no less than 11 BPs on Djok's 2nd serve. Nor is there for being up 40-15 in the final set, and then committing five UEs in a row, literally handing over the match to Djok.
Yes, Djokovic deserved this victory, don't get me wrong about it, but I'd rather see a fav of mine go down after a decent FIGHT, or even being pummeled off the court by Nadal at his peak on clay (simply TOO GOOD at those occasions), than this lame exhibition of immensely poor mental fortitude.
But hey, it's only a game, and perhaps Fed fans should rather just be happy about him making two GS finals again at his age.
Tenez!
Professional
I'd bet fans of Fognini came out of the USO rather elated.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
As did Anderson fans. For a while, anyway.
How many events have you won? Like to see you win a "Mickey Mouse" title.
Could you beat Roddick?
PinShot
Rookie
Im not a Fed Fan,
But I understand every loss is a tough cookie to eat,
Because 17 Slams is a weird Number,
Its not Fish and its certainly not meat.
Its somewhere hanging there in between 10 and 20,
And time there left fore Fed to win more aint plenty.
Even more so with Ultron lingering for more,
Still young and fresh, hungry and motivated to the core,
And if Serena's able to pile Trophies at Thirty Plus,
And if Stawrinka's and Fed at 34 still surprise us,
One can only imagine where Djokos Limits lie,
Maybe even 20 Majors and Masters Titles stacked to the Sky.
kOaMaster
Hall of Fame
In comparison to the Wimbledon 2015 - match the difference of disappointment comes clearly from the fact that Novak wasn't really the better player throughout the whole match but rather Federer blew it despite domaniting.
It's somehow weird but if Novak won in the same manner as in Wimbledon I'd be perfectly fine saying "well, Djokovic is just the player to beat this year and plays such great tennis". But this wasn't the case and it bugs.
It reminded me big time of the 2009 AO final and the 2007 RG-final vs Nadal (worst BP-conversion ever by Federer, 1/17)
It's somehow weird but if Novak won in the same manner as in Wimbledon I'd be perfectly fine saying "well, Djokovic is just the player to beat this year and plays such great tennis". But this wasn't the case and it bugs.
It reminded me big time of the 2009 AO final and the 2007 RG-final vs Nadal (worst BP-conversion ever by Federer, 1/17)
SoBad
G.O.A.T.
In all fairness, not everyone who posts around here is a spoiled no-talent with no life outside of tennis and a parent who is very well-versed in pharmaceutical substances.
Still, I can inform you that I have once reached the SF of a highly prestigious mens open event that was full of talent.
Was it a Masters 1000? ;-)
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
OP, three reasons
1) because more wants more
2) because he, BP's aside, played more than well enough to win and we as fans obviously want him to win (and 3 years with no slam is a while)
3) because with a victory, he would be relatively safe ahead and out of reach from both Rafa and Nole. Now Rafa can get close with a short, intense resurgence (if he can manage that) and given the field the next 2-3 years, it's quite possible that Novak gets there or above too.
With 18-14-9 both scenarios would be much less likely.
1) because more wants more
2) because he, BP's aside, played more than well enough to win and we as fans obviously want him to win (and 3 years with no slam is a while)
3) because with a victory, he would be relatively safe ahead and out of reach from both Rafa and Nole. Now Rafa can get close with a short, intense resurgence (if he can manage that) and given the field the next 2-3 years, it's quite possible that Novak gets there or above too.
With 18-14-9 both scenarios would be much less likely.
SoBad
G.O.A.T.
Not a meaningful way of assessing tournament significance. Your Stososov would trade his 5 Cincies for half a Monte Carlo in a heartbeat.
Shouldn't pretend to know what a person thinks. Who says he cares about MC anyway I don't want a negative bash about I was mearly saying none of us could even touch a 250 let alone a masters. So to call them Micky mouse title is a little silly.
SoBad
G.O.A.T.
Are you saying Cincy is a slam?
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
A long as Federer continues breezing past the minnows until reaching the final, he'll have a shot. I mean, he hardly breaks a sweat when dispatching all these players not called Djokovic.
No I'm not sure I made reference to that.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Fed fans are greedy.
When he was at 16, they wanted a 17th slam. Now they want an 18th; if he had won at the USO they would want a 19th. It never stops.
The guy already has way more slams than anybody else, why not be generous like Novak and let other players win a few once in a while?
When he was at 16, they wanted a 17th slam. Now they want an 18th; if he had won at the USO they would want a 19th. It never stops.
The guy already has way more slams than anybody else, why not be generous like Novak and let other players win a few once in a while?
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Not surprising coming from a Djokovic fan.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Which part of it isn't true?
Or do you think if Fed won the USO you lot would just say "well, 18 sounds good to me!"
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
It's not "greedy" to want your favorite player to win a Slam. Were you being "greedy" this year at the AO when Djokovic was playing Murray in the final? After all, Djokovic already had 4 AO titles, and Murray had 0.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Of course I wanted Djoker to win, but I would have been fine with Murray winning it.
But Djoker was at 7 Slams, a far cry from 17. If he had 17 I might have rooted for Murray.
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
Isn't 4 a far cry from 0? Would you be rooting for Ferrer the next time he faces Djokovic? I mean, after all, 0 is a far cry from 10, no?
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
You got me there.
But Fed and Djoker are not in the same spot. Djokovic is chasing several other players ahead of him in the ATG list. Fed on the other hand is already ahead of everybody else, and it's unlikely anybody will catch him in the foreseeable future.
Whenever Fed loses his fans can take comfort in everything he's already achieved. He's won every important title to be won. Djokovic fans don't have this luxury.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
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disappointed Federer fans,,,,,Not to worry,,,,you will see more of your God/ king this weekend......it might be fast though....
disappointed Federer fans,,,,,Not to worry,,,,you will see more of your God/ king this weekend......it might be fast though....
The_18th_Slam
Hall of Fame
You think Federer's 17 is gonna last? I can guarantee that his record will be broken in the next 30 years (maybe much sooner). It wouldn't be safe unless he gets to 20 or something.
But that's not why I want him to win an 18th. It's just been so long, and it'd be great to see him win a big one again. Will I want a 19th if he ever wins an 18th? Sure. But I wouldn't fret about it. 18 just sounds like a great number, and it'd be great if Federer could get there.
xan
Hall of Fame
disrespectful? lol. towards whom?
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
How do you propose to accomplish this idiotic goal? He has 17 slams, his greatness is not in quotations, it's a fact. Never mind that neither Rafa or Nole will get near 17 slams, but even if they both did, it in no way negates Fed's greatness.
When Nadal reached 14 slams, did it negate Pete's greatness? Of course not.
Nor does Federer's 17 diminish the greatness of Nadal's 14 or Djokovic's 10. Extremely impressive in all cases.
Tennis_Fever
Rookie
mostly because it's true...
pirateofthecarribean
Hall of Fame
True. Most people thought Serena would not catch up to Navratilova. Look what happened. Boom, 3 more already. Things can happen very quickly in tennis, quicker than anyone can imagine.
17 is even less than what Navratilova has. Surely it would not last very long.
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Only because 10 of those 14 were RGs, a one-trick pony distribution.
3fees
G.O.A.T.
I dont think Fed Fans should be upset, he beats everyone except Djokovic in the slams, Djokovic is the best all around player in tennis and he will beat Federer in the slams until he retires, what will Fed fans do when Murray finally passes Federer, Federer is No 2 and will decline, as for Federer errors he didnt make that many until he played Djokovic, that should tell you something.
If Djokovic had his aces working it would have been 3-0, he didnt need them to beat Federer 3-1, Djokovic is a deeper better player than he gets credit for.
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3Fees
If Djokovic had his aces working it would have been 3-0, he didnt need them to beat Federer 3-1, Djokovic is a deeper better player than he gets credit for.
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