Why are people hating on Nadal?

REKX

Rookie
The Nadal hate here seems to be so strong. People saying he had it too easy.

Federer had the same at WImbledon, no competition at all this year. And I say this as a Federer and Nadal fan.

Let us just face the reality. Right now in tennis it is a weak era.

Nadal is putting on more power, hitting shots harder, but he is no the same player he was in his prime - speed is a key factor but it is not being tested other than Federer in a few competitions this year.

Federer again is not the same player he was in 2005-2009, he was so aggressive, used a smaller racquet, and his speed and the way he went for the shots was unbelievable.

I'm just enjoying the fact that I get to watch my two favorite players at the top, even though no one has emerged from the new generation. But you can't fight nature, Federer and Nadal are over 30s and will not be at this level for much longer - and I will feel upset when they finish up because I grew up watching these two.

So yes there is a lack of competition in todays field, but Federer and Nadal are not the two greatest players in history because of the field in 2017, but because what they achieved those years in their prime at their best and they took tennis to a level we may never see again - that is what made them.

Lets just enjoy watching these two players until they retire and the new generation emerge because we will miss them when they are not there.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
They know Ralph can get very close to Fed's slam total. Nads has at least two more RGs left and maybe one other slam. That would tie him if Fed's back doesn't improve. Then with both having 19 slams, but Rafa have a lop sided H2H against Roger makes a good debate for GOAT.
 

StrongerThanAll

Professional
They know Ralph can get very close to Fed's slam total. Nads has at least two more RGs left and maybe one other slam. That would tie him if Fed's back doesn't improve. Then with both having 19 slams, but Rafa have a lop sided H2H against Roger makes a good debate for GOAT.
If these 2 are ever tied in slams, and nobody points out that Fed has double the weeks at #1 and 6 WTF's I will just shake my head. just the stupid H2H of course.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
It's more that an out of form clay specialist who didn't face a top 25 player won the slam that traditionally plays fast. It's out of whack with how the variations of the tennis season traditionally play out.
Dude has 6 Slams on non-clay surfaces. Hardly a "Clay specialist". There are thousands of hard court specialists that would love Nadals record on hard courts.
 

MugOpponent

Hall of Fame
I love the anti-Nadal crowd getting their crow. All we heard is Rafa can't win on hard court, blah blah blah. These people were so confident they didn't really think the level of competition mattered because omg it's hard court, so it's a great middle finger to the haters. Yeah he got a weak draw but Nadal has no control how the other matches play out.
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
The Nadal hate here seems to be so strong. People saying he had it too easy.

Federer had the same at WImbledon, no competition at all this year. And I say this as a Federer and Nadal fan.

Let us just face the reality. Right now in tennis it is a weak era.

Nadal is putting on more power, hitting shots harder, but he is no the same player he was in his prime - speed is a key factor but it is not being tested other than Federer in a few competitions this year.

Federer again is not the same player he was in 2005-2009, he was so aggressive, used a smaller racquet, and his speed and the way he went for the shots was unbelievable.

I'm just enjoying the fact that I get to watch my two favorite players at the top, even though no one has emerged from the new generation. But you can't fight nature, Federer and Nadal are over 30s and will not be at this level for much longer - and I will feel upset when they finish up because I grew up watching these two.

So yes there is a lack of competition in todays field, but Federer and Nadal are not the two greatest players in history because of the field in 2017, but because what they achieved those years in their prime at their best and they took tennis to a level we may never see again - that is what made them.

Lets just enjoy watching these two players until they retire and the new generation emerge because we will miss them when they are not there.
You are totally right. Good post and well said.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
I love the anti-Nadal crowd getting their crow. All we heard is Rafa can't win on hard court, blah blah blah. These people were so confident they didn't really think the level of competition mattered because omg it's hard court, so it's a great middle finger to the haters. Yeah he got a weak draw but Nadal has no control how the other matches play out.
Ralph made it to the AO 2017 final and almost beat Fed. He made it to IW 2017 final and just won USO 2017. I'd say he's doing pretty well on hardcourts.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
Federer is the most popular tennis player by far, probably in modern history.

It's the side effects of it.

It's incredible how quiet even the TV commentators got once del Potro started losing to Nadal. It's amazing.
Everyone has biases, especially the media.
 

George Turner

Hall of Fame
Dude has 6 Slams on non-clay surfaces. Hardly a "Clay specialist". There are thousands of hard court specialists that would love Nadals record on hard courts.
Nadal is a clay specialist. A glorified Clay specialist who has managed to win majors elsewhere playing his clay court style game. But he's still a clay court specialist because he plays his best there.

I'd say people are hating on Nadal because he's not really beaten anyone this tournament and hasn't played remarkably well. The kind of draw he got is not what a major should be about. The highest ranked player he's faced this hardcourt summer is Kyrgios and he lost.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
Media should at least try to be neutral.
At least make it no obvious.
Except maybe McEnroe, Carrillo or Gilbert,
all of them are Federer worshipers, particularly the non-tennis expert commentators.
Chris Fowler acts like he knows a lot. He was a football guy!
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
Federer had the same at WImbledon, no competition at all this year.
Federer had to play Raonic, Berdych and Cilic on grass at age 35. All three of those guys have been top 10 (some top 5) forever. His Wimbledon draw was brutal in comparison's to Nadal's cakewalk this tournament. But I'm not one who bitches about bad draws and Nadal would have defeated anyone this tournament even with a tough draw.
 

George Turner

Hall of Fame
Federer had to play Raonic, Berdych and Cilic on grass at age 35. All three of those guys have been top 10 (some top 5) forever. His Wimbledon draw was brutal in comparison's to Nadal's cakewalk this tournament. But I'm not one who bitches about bad draws and Nadal would have defeated anyone this tournament even with a tough draw.
He would not have *beaten anyone* heck a guy like Kyrgios would have been capable of beating him! You're making the mistake of assuming wins against lowly ranked players means he'd dominate the top ranked players.

Nadal played much better in 2010 and 2013 US opens than this one. I think he would have a challenging match against a Berdych or a Dimitrov, never mind a big four player. Instead he got the nicest draw imaginable.
 

Purplemonster

Hall of Fame
I love the anti-Nadal crowd getting their crow. All we heard is Rafa can't win on hard court, blah blah blah. These people were so confident they didn't really think the level of competition mattered because omg it's hard court, so it's a great middle finger to the haters. Yeah he got a weak draw but Nadal has no control how the other matches play out.
The guy has won 4 hard courts majors now. Not bad for a clay court specialist. He is one of the greatest of all time. And I am not a Nadal fan. Imagine the hatred if he equals Federer's 19 !!!
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
The Nadal hate here seems to be so strong. People saying he had it too easy.

Federer had the same at WImbledon, no competition at all this year. And I say this as a Federer and Nadal fan.
Um... Federer played 4 players in a row in the top 15 including 2 in the top 10.

Nadal didn't play even a single player in the top 25 and only 1 in the top 30.

Pretty obviously these are not like-for-like examples.
 

REKX

Rookie
Because Nadal brought so much pain and suffering to Fed fans. FACT.
I started of watching tennis as a Federer fan, and I disliked Nadal.

But I soon grew to appreciate what Nadal was, something amazing.

He is the only player in history that actually beat Roger Federer, in his prime, on his best surfaces. Wimbledon 2008, Federer was playing amazing did not lose a set until the final. That has to be admired.

I don't think any other player in history could have beaten Federer at Wimbledon in 2008.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Nadal is a clay specialist. A glorified Clay specialist who has managed to win majors elsewhere playing his clay court style game. But he's still a clay court specialist because he plays his best there.

I'd say people are hating on Nadal because he's not really beaten anyone this tournament and hasn't played remarkably well. The kind of draw he got is not what a major should be about. The highest ranked player he's faced this hardcourt summer is Kyrgios and he lost.
He is the best clay courter of all time for sure. Just as Federer is the best grass courter of all time. Doesn't mean they are true "specialists". That term implies they are only good on one surface. But they are both good on all surfaces and supreme on one. That's not a pure specialist. That's an all-round great player with a preference. Which is probably true for a lot of tennis players.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
They are worried that Nadal could catch or overtake Federer's major tally. Personally, it wouldn't bother me if Nadal never caught Federer's tally, yet the anti-Nadal fanatics are terrified.
You are terrified that you cannot take it, if Nadal DOESN'T catch Federer.

That is why you spent the better part of the last 2.5 years explaining how Nadal's form has been gradually declining never to be regained again.

You were hedging your bets in case Nadal doesn't catch Federer.

What a pathetic, insecure little troll you are.

Hahaha

:cool:
 

aman92

Hall of Fame
Federer had much easier opponents at Wimbledon relatively speaking...servebots who he usually is the best against
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Federer had much easier opponents at Wimbledon relatively speaking...servebots who he usually is the best against
Yep, a couple of finalists, plus a SF and a surface specialist are easier opponents compared to a bucket of qualifiers and nobodies until the SF...... relatively speaking, of course.

:cool:
 

KingKyrgios

Professional
I started of watching tennis as a Federer fan, and I disliked Nadal.

But I soon grew to appreciate what Nadal was, something amazing.

He is the only player in history that actually beat Roger Federer, in his prime, on his best surfaces. Wimbledon 2008, Federer was playing amazing did not lose a set until the final. That has to be admired.

I don't think any other player in history could have beaten Federer at Wimbledon in 2008.
Fed was a shadow of himself in 2008.
No mono- no wimbledon for bull
 

NothingButNet

Semi-Pro
It's not so much that they are hating on him, per se. In comparison to the Federer Effect, it can seem like a snub as there's just a bit less magic, je ne sais quoi and aura to what the Bull achieves compared to the Maestro.

This magic appeals to the child in many a fan worldwide.

Wherever you go the general attitude towards them - largely owing to their playing styles and aura - swings from one of enormous respect for Nadal, as his sheer effort, hard graft and achievements cannot be denied (or surpassed) vs unbridled adulation for Federer whose talent and wizadry seem other-worldly and unachievable for most.

These sentiments begin in the locker-room, spread through the media, on to the general public and crystallise here on the forums.

I think the ultimate snub, if you want to call it that, is that regardless of if Rafa eventually bypasses Fred's Slam-count (Roger will have retired by then, surely) Federer will always be regarded as the GOAT, even by Rafa.

This is what I believe.
 

captainbryce

Hall of Fame
There is no such thing as a weak era.

As far as competition goes, Federer and Nadal both have stronger competition in 2017 than they did in 2007. Zverev and Kyrgios are arguably more talented and dangerous than Hewitt and Roddick ever was. The fact that Djokovic and Murray are absent is irrelevant considering that neither of them was a slam champion 10 years ago either. Nadal and Federer are actually better players today than they were when they were dominating a decade ago. Federer's backhand is superior, and Nadal is a better all court player. They deserve to be #1 and #2, and if anything their longevity shows just how great they are compared to any other athletes who have played this sport. In no other era (Laver, Rosewall, Conners, Borg, McEnroe, Lendl, Sampras, Agassi, Djokovic, Murray) were the top players able to do anything close to what Fedal has done. They really are in a class by themselves!
 

TearTheRoofOff

Hall of Fame
Dude has 6 Slams on non-clay surfaces. Hardly a "Clay specialist". There are thousands of hard court specialists that would love Nadals record on hard courts.
He still specializes in clay court tennis. It's the bias that counts, not necessarily the absolute achievements in both respects that make that the case.
 

REKX

Rookie
He still specializes in clay court tennis. It's the bias that counts, not necessarily the absolute achievements in both respects that make that the case.
He beat Federer in hard and grass whilst Federer was in his prime.

Like the previous guy said, Federer and Nadal are not specialists, they are very good at grass and clay respectively but amazing on others. Nadal won 2 Wimbledons, one against the greatest grass court player of all time, and his weakest surface.

The guy is a genius.
 

REKX

Rookie
There is no such thing as a weak era.

As far as competition goes, Federer and Nadal both have stronger competition in 2017 than they did in 2007. Zverev and Kyrgios are arguably more talented and dangerous than Hewitt and Roddick ever was. The fact that Djokovic and Murray are absent is irrelevant considering that neither of them was a slam champion 10 years ago either. Nadal and Federer are actually better players today than they were when they were dominating a decade ago. Federer's backhand is superior, and Nadal is a better all court player. They deserve to be #1 and #2, and if anything their longevity shows just how great they are compared to any other athletes who have played this sport. In no other era (Laver, Rosewall, Conners, Borg, McEnroe, Lendl, Sampras, Agassi, Djokovic, Murray) were the top players able to do anything close to what Fedal has done. They really are in a class by themselves!
This is wrong. Both Federer and Nadal were superior in their earlier days. Both Nadal and Federer are considerably slowly than they were, how can you not notice this? If you watch old Federer on Youtube you will be amazed how quick they were.

Zverev and Kyrgious more dangerous than Djokovic and Murray? Djokovic was a grand slam winner already when he was young, and both Djokovic and Murray were regularly getting to finals. This does not apply for Zverev and Kyrious, stupid stupid comparison.

It's just that on balance Federer and Nadal are far superior to most other over 30 players in history and also there no Federer/Nadal esque players around aged 22 who are getting ready to dominate. The field is weak at the moment, but it doesn't bother me because for me Federer became the greatest of all time because of what he done in his Prime, this is just bonus now. Same as Nadal, he transformed his game from clay court specialist to all surface grand slam winner. Again these are just bonuses.

Both Federer and Nadal will retire soon and they will be missed so much. Like Floyd Mayweather in boxing, no one really knows who the big money superstars are after the big 4 retire and they are all over 30.
 

ChaelAZ

Legend
The closer he continues to get to that simple slam total, the more obscure stats they will start clinging to until there isn't anything left. It's an amazing amount of anxiety and causes panic.
 

JasonZ

Semi-Pro
I disliked Nadal from the beginning in 2005. Both his style of play and his on court personality. And i wasn't even a Federer fan till beginning of 2017.

I also think some of the nehativity he receives is the fact that he had much more easy draws than Federer and Djokovic in many of his triumphs outside the french open.
 
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