why ATP players generate more spin and power then WTA players

[Deleted member 768841]

I do
However, I am not bashing other players on this board...
And by the way, I got a chance to hit with Suresh and it was a lot of fun

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[polksio]

I do
However, I am not bashing other players on this board...
And by the way, I got a chance to hit with Suresh and it was a lot of fun

Link me sir

 

[Dolgopolov85]

@TheGhostOfAgassi raised a good question.
don't know why the thread was deleted instead of being moved over here.

leaving aside the entire discussion that happened there, with arguments that Serena's serve speed is as fast as men speed, and at some selected tournaments women clock faster groundies of the combined tournament, and how many pull-ups and push-ups an average man vs average woman can do, I think it boils down to total energy that the player can induce to the ball.
this energy is being split between the sheer pace and spin.

from my observation, women tend to play with light-weighted frames.

also, correct me if I am wrong, women on average have less weight, which means that there will be less energy to be transferred to the ball.
in comparison, a top light-weight boxer might generate an astonishing power while hitting, from sheer speed and technique, but a top heavy-weight will still be able to top it up.

Now when we combine this, and compare the pinnacle of the ATP vs pinnacle of WTA, will this explain why men hit "heavier" groundies?
if player A has bigger mass, uses it well and plays with a heavier frame, and probably with a higher SW, should we wonder that player A generates heavier groundies.

what do you think folks?
what other factors result in men hitting "heavier"?

I am not sure how much of it is because of weight because Serena uses a heavy racquet. OTOH Simona doesn't use such a heavy racquet but gets a lot of spin. I think it's more about RHS and swing style. A steeper motion - called hitting up - at pace gives more spin.

 

[tom-selleck]

i am a 4.0 on a good day and i played a set against a former top 100 NCAA player. played at a big football school. won a set against one of the top money winners of all-time (not near the top of the money list any longer)

i found his shots jumped upwards and i wasn't used to it. or didn't have the skills. probably both........ and i really didn't know where to stand on his serves. seemed like i wasn't used to someone who actually puts the ball out wide (or was it the other way around?). anyway, i wasn't covering one of the basic serves at all.

i could only get into rallies nicely if i was way behind the baseline. i just looped the ball back alot. i would never win a point unless he made an error. and if he wanted to, he would never make an error against me.

a few thoughts:

a mutual friend who is very fast and has good forehand can win quite a few points against this guy...... i can have a reasonable match against that guy. the speed keeps points alive against the NCAA guy

i have played doubles against the ncaa guy and am much more competitive. i have pretty good lefty serve and can return well. i'm just very slow afoot.... and we played doubles on grass where i found the bounces low and predictable

he said one huge problem he advancing at highest level of tennis is that he didn't win that many easy points on his serve. very very important he said. i would add it conserves alot of energy for that match and later rounds.

 

[bitcoinoperated]

It may also be strategy. On the WTA it is seems to be possible to just win by overpowering someone so flatter strokes work. On the ATP this just doesn't seem to happen.

 

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[tom-selleck]

It may also be strategy. On the WTA it is seems to be possible to just win by overpowering someone so flatter strokes work. On the ATP this just doesn't seem to happen.

good comment........ i'd be curious as to how a sharapova strategy would work on the ATP. i wonder if the ball would literally sail long too much........ i'm canadian so very familiar with genie bouchard. same thing as sharapova. just hammering everything flattish as hard you can.. i think genie (and many others) would benefit from mixing things up and throwing in drop shots (alot)

 

[Steady Eddy]

The more spin, the less speed. For the ATP player, on average, hitting flat means too many shots go long. So they use their increased racquet head speed for more spin.

BTW, for the math geeks in the crowd, the forward thrust of the ball is the racquet head speed times the cosine of the angle to the court surface.
So, a 100 mph racquet head at

• 0 degrees goes 100 mph
• 30 degrees goes 87 mph
• 45 degrees goes 71 mph
• 60 degrees goes 50 mph

Notice that a moderate amount of spin does not 'cost' much in terms of speed, but once you get past 45 degrees the spin sacrifices a great deal of speed. I think ATP players use their high racquet head speed in favor of spin rather than ball pace.