Why can't I care for WTA?

GhostOfNKDM

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Other than during the slams I don't much follow womens tennis. Even during slams I might catch the tail end of a ladies match because the next match on the same court is men's game I want to watch.

I used to like women's tennis. Now I don't care ( Except for Hsieh)

Is it just me?
 
NeutralFan

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TheNachoMan said:
Because it’s not the elite of the elite. It’s like watching high school basketball, I don’t really care.
Yeah you can call me sexist. But that’s just the way I see it. I like women’s pro wrestling because it!s not a genuine contest.
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Would be fun if some TG comes and breaks all WTA records, being a hardcord SJW i wanna see it so bad.
 
Fiero425

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NeutralFan said:
I don't even care about the slams, so you are not alone. Didn't care about WTA ever since Justin Henin retired.
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That's how it's been for me! The WTA has been a joke IMO allowing Serena to come and go as she pleased and steal away their thunder! The inconsistency of their tour has the #1 ranking in flux until Swiatek's come along! She's been great and I hope she can keep it up and stabilize the WTA! The rankings have been crazy since the days of Hingis and Henin with only a bright light coming from Osaka and she was run off for a while! :whistle: :cautious:(n):unsure: :rolleyes:
 
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TheNachoMan said:
Because it’s not the elite of the elite. It’s like watching high school basketball, I don’t really care.
Yeah you can call me sexist. But that’s just the way I see it. I like women’s pro wrestling because it’s not a genuine contest.
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I’m not huge on women’s pro wrestling but I liked what Alexa Bliss did with the Fiend and Orton during the pandemic era
 
Lleytonstation

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I can see why for some as the points are longer and less focused on serve. So the tactics and strategy are completely different. More score changes due to more breaks.

Same with women's hockey. Different strategies because they don't have the same abilities.

Not for me, but I understand why some may.
 
Siewi

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LetWinner said:
cuz its kinda just watered down mens tennis. it doesnt offer anything special or different that would draw viewers. I guess they hit flatter, but because they are weaker their flat shots have as much pace as mens top spin shots.

There is just no reason to watch the WTA.
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Same here. And it also annoys me that people have been trying to create a lot of artificial hype about the WTA.
 
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There are a few WTA players that I like to watch: Osaka, Andreescu, Halep, Teichmann, Ostapenko, among others. I will even skip an ATP match to watch the womens’s side if the male players aren’t interesting. There are very boring matches on both tours.
 
Hitman

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I was as equal a fan of mens and womens tennis since I first started watching, but last six or seven years my interest just fell to almost zero, it had so many incredible players, rivalries, battles, storylines, it was at times even more compelling than the mens, but I noticed myself watching less and less and I really at first did not know why. Then it got to the point, I would just stop watching matches with the current top players mid way and watch something else, something I never did before. I understood then that the product is just plain bad, no real players that make me want to watch, and I have seen decades of great champions. I don't even know who won the last 12 or so slams, when in the past I could recite them all easily for like 3 decades worth of wins. Don't know if I will ever come back to it, as I did start filling that time with other things that I enjoy more now, but you never know, maybe some players will come along that make me want to see what is going on back on the WTA, but for now, it won't be happening for a while.
 
RaulRamirez

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I can't answer for the OP, or for anyone else.
I've always been more of an ATP fan, but really enjoy the WTA as well.

The product is good (to me) but it has lacked the great rivalries and consistency at the top. It's a shame that Barty retired, as she and Iga would be vying for #1 (probably) for several years.

But while some of the other names/styles are almost indistinguishable, there may be more variety on the women's tour. Make no mistake: Swiatek has tons of game, and her style is much different than, say, Osaka, Jabeur (great to watch) Halep, Sakkari, etc. Mostly, they probably need a clear #1 (if Iga wins RG, and possibly wins Wimbledon or makes a long run there) or a rivalry develops between her and another player, the tour will have a different feel to it.
 
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Ventoux

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I follow some players on the WTA, and sometimes prefer watching women's tennis to the men's slugfest . But the screaming, petulance and pushy parents are a bit unpleasant. The WTA seems to present aggressive behaviour as something that promotes women's power. In the end, there's only so much tennis you can watch, and a further two hours of screaming baseline play is too much.
 
UnderratedSlam

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Lleytonstation said:
I can see why for some as the points are longer and less focused on serve. So the tactics and strategy are completely different. More score changes due to more breaks.

Same with women's hockey. Different strategies because they don't have the same abilities.

Not for me, but I understand why some may.
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The totally schizo nature of women's tennis, with wild swings of the pendulum, makes matches unpredictable hence somewhat entertaining.

How many women serve out sets or matches right away?

3-0 then 3-5. This is a standard. Then 7-5.

Also, the drama is very different from men's tennis. More mutual hatred and more obviously on display.

In the 90s I HATED women's tennis. It was incredibly boring in terms of skill and with total domination by one or two players. It's much better now, though admittedly the 00s and early 10s era was better.
 
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GhostOfNKDM

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Many good points in this thread but I guess it comes down to a lower quality of game (not that the men's game hasn't itself deteriorated outside of Big 3 and a a few glimmers of hope now)

There is virtually no net game, poor serving, robotic baseline strokes, lack of consistency and a very passing commitment to the sport.


TheNachoMan said:
Because it’s not the elite of the elite. It’s like watching high school basketball, I don’t really care.
Yeah you can call me sexist. But that’s just the way I see it. I like women’s pro wrestling because it’s not a genuine contest.
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King No1e

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I'll pay attention if Raducanu wins another Slam. Or if we get another Henin. Until then my interest in WTA is limited, and so is my interest in ATP nowadays.
 
RaulRamirez

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GhostOfNKDM said:
Many good points in this thread but I guess it comes down to a lower quality of game (not that the men's game hasn't itself deteriorated outside of Big 3 and a a few glimmers of hope now)

There is virtually no net game, poor serving, robotic baseline strokes, lack of consistency and a very passing commitment to the sport.
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Passing commitment to the sport? Other than a few examples (which could be had, seemingly, on either tour), I don't know that this is a fair comment. I mean, they're full-time athletes who train and play just as hard.

I prefer the men's game, and thing is, at no time in tennis history would the top women defeat the top men. But we know that, and as long as the matches are still competitive and entertaining, I'm okay with that. And I don't need every player to be compared to Big 3, or even to Serena, Steffi, Martina and Chris. Not that you're doing that, but ... As to robotic baseline strokes, some would apply that description to Zverev, Tsitsipas and Medvedev, possibly Sinner, as well. But there's nothing robotic about Swiatek, Jabeur, Barty (oops, retired), Halep, and some others.
 
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The last time I remember watching a lot of women’s tennis was when Hingis was #1. I lost interest when Venus and Serena only played a few matches a year sometimes but were so clearly better than the tour that other matches seemed inconsequential.
 
GhostOfNKDM

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RaulRamirez said:
Passing commitment to the sport? Other than a few examples (which could be had, seemingly, on either tour), I don't know that this is a fair comment. I mean, they're full-time athletes who train and play just as hard.

I prefer the men's game, and thing is, at no time in tennis history would the top women defeat the top men. But we know that, and as long as the matches are still competitive and entertaining, I'm okay with that. And I don't need every player to be compared to Big 3, or even to Serena, Steffi, Martina and Chris. Not that you're doing that, but ... As to robotic baseline strokes, some would apply that description to Zverev, Tsitsipas and Medvedev, possibly Sinner, as well. But there's nothing robotic about Swiatek, Jabeur, Barty (oops, retired), Halep, and some others.
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Cmon Barty retiring in her prime and Osaka's part-time playing (not to mention Serena who started ignoring most of the season outside the slams) is passing commitment.

They're free to do as they please but doesn't mean it has no cost and impact on fan following.

Also I never implied or said that there are no robotic players on the men's side.

But certainly much better overall than women.

Now tbf I haven't watched this latest gen of players - Swiatek, Jabeur etc - perhaps they're good, but it'll take a sustained period of excellence and rivalry before I care.

Last I paid attention, there was a rivalry between Henin and Serena, however short lived.
 
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King No1e said:
Tbh Barty, Swiatek, and Halep aren't as bad as Zverev, Tsitsipas, and Medvedev. ATP of 2022 increasingly starting to look like WTA with servebots.
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These hard working guys are steady in the top ATP rankings. Swiatek's a fine newcomer and Halep a good example. But hasn't Barty retired "prematurely"? Yeah, you could come with the old ones before Barty as they were steadier and more into their jobs in the WTA. My view is that the current top 30 in ATP is uncomparable to the top 30 in WTA.

On second thought, I honestly think that you are out of your mind comparing. Just look at the current ATP competition; Alcaraz, Sinner, Ruud, Rublev, FAA, Shapovalov, Schwartzman, Hurkacz etc. Are you serious to compare those competitors in the sense of their work, effort, results and especially reliability to those top 30 women in their category? I think you're just trolling :LOL
 
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smalahove

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I really enjoy watching Ons Jabeur (even more so than Barty). She has an epic touch and wonderful, varied all-court game. I find Zwiatek's game entertaining bc she plays so aggressive, but with topspin margins, in contract to the run-of-the-mill Ostapenko style line licking, no margin, flat hitting.
 
Graf1stClass

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You can say that Graf had a better forehand than most of the men (relatively)

You can say that Serena had a better serve than most of the men (relatively)

You can say that Navratilova had better volleys than most of the men


You can say Seles was better mentally than most of the men

You can say that Hingis had better court sense than most of the men


You cannot say this about any of the women today.. I can understand the sentiment of disappointment. But still what Iga is doing right now is very special
 
GhostOfNKDM

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Graf1stClass said:
You can say that Graf had a better forehand than most of the men (relatively)

You can say that Serena had a better serve than most of the men (relatively)

You can say that Navratilova had better volleys than most of the men


You can say Seles was better mentally than most of the men

You can say that Hingis had better court sense than most of the men


You cannot say this about any of the women today.. I can understand the sentiment of disappointment. But still what Iga is doing right now is very special
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Graf - Martina N. matches were epic.
 
GhostOfNKDM

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smalahove said:
I really enjoy watching Ons Jabeur (even more so than Barty). She has an epic touch and wonderful, varied all-court game. I find Zwiatek's game entertaining bc she plays so aggressive, but with topspin margins, in contract to the run-of-the-mill Ostapenko style line licking, no margin, flat hitting.
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I'll have to watch her. Been hearing a lot... RG is around the corner.
 
GhostOfNKDM

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BeatlesFan said:
I never watched women’s tennis after Steffi retired. I can’t stand the screeching while striking the ball. It’s unwatchable.

@TennisFan3 We’re on the same page. Steffi was just in another world of greatness.
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No grudge against her as a person, she seems such a graceful person now for what she went through, but Seles really damaged the sport.
 
ghostofMecir

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GhostOfNKDM said:
Other than during the slams I don't much follow womens tennis. Even during slams I might catch the tail end of a ladies match because the next match on the same court is men's game I want to watch.

I used to like women's tennis. Now I don't care ( Except for Hsieh)

Is it just me?
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I only care about WTA when there are mixed events and want to see which matches will hold up the ATP matches by going 3 sets, 15 breaks, endless deuces, etc.
 
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Ventoux said:
I follow some players on the WTA, and sometimes prefer watching women's tennis to the men's slugfest . But the screaming, petulance and pushy parents are a bit unpleasant. The WTA seems to present aggressive behaviour as something that promotes women's power. In the end, there's only so much tennis you can watch, and a further two hours of screaming baseline play is too much.
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Wait...are you still talking about the WTA or did the conversation change to Tsitsipas?
 
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