Why couldn't Djoko dethrone Nadal at RG?

maratha_warrior

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What? I don't recall indicating he should have done anything.

I think Roger's 09 title was more impressive than Novak's in 16, beyond that I dont care.

Aside, I've not downplayed the legitimacy of their wins just acknowledging that neither were able to do it in their various attempts against Rafa anywhere near his best.

The amount the of fangirls/boys that get bothered by a critique, as though that is being dismissive of their achievements is alarming.

Am I suggesting their titles are illegitimate? No

Also, I think Novak looks far more natural/comfortable on clay than grass.
Djokovic did beat 3 Time slam Champion , 2 time Olympic gold medallist ,14 Masters winner , 42 weeks at No. 1 , World No. 2 Champion Andy Murray to win his RG 2016 & and beat Thiem in Semis Who is current 2 Nd best Clay played for 3 years now .

Fed beat some Soderling in straight sets in finals .

Djokovic fans didn't even say that Djokovic win is more impressive than Fed . Win is a Win .
But Fed fan gloating hilariously that Fed 2009 win is more impressive than Djokovic 16 RG . lol :-D
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic did beat 3 Time slam Champion , 2 time Olympic gold medallist ,14 Masters winner , 42 weeks at No. 1 , World No. 2 Champion Andy Murray to win his RG 2016 & and beat Thiem in Semis Who is current 2 Nd best Clay played for 3 years now .

Fed beat some Soderling in straight sets in finals .

Djokovic fans didn't even say that Djokovic win is more impressive than Fed . Win is a Win .
But Fed fan gloating hilariously that Fed 2009 win is more impressive than Djokovic 16 RG . lol :-D
Sjoderling is a two times RG finalist and the only person to beat Nadal there when Nadal was in reasonably good form, so "some" Sjoderling is "some" statement. Whatever Andy was, it doesn't relate very well to his clay ability.

 

Linelicker

New User
Djokovic beat Nadal on clay in as many finals as all other players combined:

Djokovic 4
Federer 2 + Murray 1 + Zeballos 1 = 4

He is the player who beat the most times Nadal on clay and Federer on grass.
You're derailing the topic and it's only post #4...

RG. Roland Garros. The clay slam in Paris. Not other finals.
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
Sjoderling is a two times RG finalist and the only person to beat Nadal there when Nadal was in reasonably good form, so "some" Sjoderling is "some" statement. Whatever Andy was, it doesn't relate very well to his clay ability.

Andy is RG finalist , multiple times semifinalist and won masters on clay by beating Nadal and Djokovic . All court player .Plus all other achievements on grass hardcourt .

BTW fed fan logic is Great ,
Soderling is great clay player bcoz he once beat Rafa at RG .
Novak is not a better clay player than Fed inspite of beating Nadal at Monte Carlo , ROME , Madrid , RG . o_O
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Andy is RG finalist , multiple times semifinalist and won masters on clay by beating Nadal and Djokovic . All court player .Plus all other achievements on grass hardcourt .

BTW fed fan logic is Great ,
Soderling is great clay player bcoz he once beat Rafa at RG .
Novak is not a better clay player than Fed inspite of beating Nadal at Monte Carlo , ROME , Madrid , RG . o_O
Sjoderling is not a "great clay court player". He is just a better clay court player than Murray (or at least has higher peak), and, yes, last time I checked beating Nadal at RG is a kind of special. Murray's achievements on grass or hard have nothing to do with clay. Novak might or might not be considered better than Federer as it is results vs peak form. The one conclusive match where Djokovic was to prove that he was better than Federer in Djokovic's best season Djokovic lost.

 

BringBackSV

Hall of Fame
Djokovic did beat 3 Time slam Champion , 2 time Olympic gold medallist ,14 Masters winner , 42 weeks at No. 1 , World No. 2 Champion Andy Murray to win his RG 2016 & and beat Thiem in Semis Who is current 2 Nd best Clay played for 3 years now .

Fed beat some Soderling in straight sets in finals .

Djokovic fans didn't even say that Djokovic win is more impressive than Fed . Win is a Win .
But Fed fan gloating hilariously that Fed 2009 win is more impressive than Djokovic 16 RG . lol :-D
You know its bad when you are mentioning Murray on clay.
 
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