Why did Federer's grass game decline so badly after the 2008 final?

[Spencer Gore]

Before Roger Federer played the 2008 Wimbledon final he had won his previous 10 grass tournaments in a row.

The next ten tournaments, starting with Wimbledon, saw Federer win only 4 times, losing 6. From Wimbledon 2008 to the present, Federer has won only 9 of the 27 grass court tournaments he has entered.

Why did his form on grass decline so sharply after that day? Was it that the air of invincibility had gone.

 

[TennisLurker]

It's called aging and losing half a step of speed

 

[Shu-Pak]

It's called aging and losing half a step of speed

It's also called other competition stepped up and rose to the occasion.
Namely, Nadal and Djokovic.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Stuff happens when bunnies like Roddick are replaced.

 

[RS]

Stuff happens when bunnies like Roddick are replaced.

You don’t rate a peak Roddick on grass?

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

You don’t rate a peak Roddick on grass?

Jesting. But to give a hot take of the day, I rate all of the Big 4 higher.

 

[abmk]

It's also called other competition stepped up and rose to the occasion.
Namely, Nadal and Djokovic.

fed only faced nadal once after Wim 08 on grass - Wim 19 SF & beat him.
Fed beat Djoko in Wim 12.
Djokovic wouldn't beat him until Wim 14 final.

Wim 10 - fed lost to berdych
Wim 11 - fed lost to tsonga
Wim 13 - fed lost to stak

So your post is incorrect to put it in kind words.

 

[RS]

Jesting. But to give a hot take of the day, I rate all of the Big 4 higher.

Are we sure about Murray being better at peak level?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Before Roger Federer played the 2008 Wimbledon final he had won his previous 10 grass tournaments in a row.

The next ten tournaments, starting with Wimbledon, saw Federer win only 4 times, losing 6. From Wimbledon 2008 to the present, Federer has won only 9 of the 27 grass court tournaments he has entered.

Why did his form on grass decline so sharply after that day? Was it that the air of invincibility had gone.

This is a good question. Especially since Federer had won 10 in a row. He lost to Nadal because of matchup in 2008 but then they didn't play for 11 straight years till 2019. Loses to Berdych Tsonga Djokovic Anderson. But all of them were top 10 at that time I think so they were no scruffs.

2013 is weird and should be ignored.

 

[abmk]

Before Roger Federer played the 2008 Wimbledon final he had won his previous 10 grass tournaments in a row.

The next ten tournaments, starting with Wimbledon, saw Federer win only 4 times, losing 6. From Wimbledon 2008 to the present, Federer has won only 9 of the 27 grass court tournaments he has entered.

Why did his form on grass decline so sharply after that day? Was it that the air of invincibility had gone.

Once again, Hopeless Bore with a baiting thread.
Fed won Wim 09 after losing Wim 08.

He exited his prime after AO 10. Hence lesser success after that.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Are we sure about Murray being better at peak level?

We are sure.

 

[Shu-Pak]

fed only faced nadal once after Wim 08 on grass - Wim 19 SF & beat him.
Fed beat Djoko in Wim 12.
Djokovic wouldn't beat him until Wim 14 final.

Wim 10 - fed lost to berdych
Wim 11 - fed lost to tsonga
Wim 13 - fed lost to stak

So your post is incorrect to put it in kind words.

I'll correct my post. Here you go:
It's also called other competition stepped up and rose to the occasion.
Namely, Nadal and Djokovic, Berdych, Thonga and Stak

Boom!

 

[RS]

We are sure.

Roddick beat him in 2009 when both were prime form though.

 

[abmk]

I'll correct my post. Here you go:
It's also called other competition stepped up and rose to the occasion.
Namely, Nadal and Djokovic, Berdych, Thonga and Stak

Boom!

fed faced tougher competition than berdych, tsonga and stak from 2003-09 at Wimbledon.
fed only faced nadal once after Wim 08 on grass and beat him.
fed beat djoko in Wim 12 and wouldn't lose to him on grass till Wim 14 final when fed was nearly 33.
so instead of accepting you were wrong, you double down?
do you have some decency?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Roddick beat him in 2009 when both were prime form though.

Murray has 5 queens and 1 Olympics on grass outside Wimbledon. Roddick has 4 Queens.

Roddick has 3 finals and Murray has 3 finals at Wimbledon. Roddick has 0 titles.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Roddick beat him in 2009 when both were prime form though.

Even a blind hen sometimes finds a grain of corn.

 

[RS]

Murray has 5 queens and 1 Olympics on grass outside Wimbledon. Roddick has 4 Queens.

Roddick has 3 finals and Murray has 3 finals at Wimbledon. Roddick has 0 titles.

Consistency and peak is not always the same though. We know Murray is the greater player overall but did he peak higher at Wimby?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Consistency and peak is not always the same though. We know Murray is the greater player overall but did he peak higher at Wimby?

Yes. What does their grass elo says ? We can't decide peak by just a match especially in case of Roddick who has 0 titles at Wimbledon.

 

[RS]

Even a blind hen sometimes finds a grain of corn.

Maybe significant though

 

[junior74]

Federer aged while having very strong competition. When Nadal and Djokovic aged:

 

[RS]

Yes. What does their grass elo says ? We can't decide peak by just a match especially in case of Roddick who has 0 titles at Wimbledon.

What does the grass ELO say never looked at it

Roddick wasn’t exactly a one match peak player at Wim so it is not based on just one match. Don’t you think facing 2013 Djokovic and 2016 Ranoic could see a peak Roddick being a Wim champ?

 

[Shu-Pak]

do you have some decency?

NO.

Also, I agreed with another poster above that Fed lost half a step and got older AS WELL AS my post regarding the competition getting better and stepping up.
Namely that competition being NADAL, DJOKOVIC, BERDYCH, TSONGA and STAK.

BOOM! EAT IT!

 

[Strale]

I guess competition got tougher...

 

[RS]

I guess competition got tougher...

Wimby 2008 Fed vs Wimby 2015 Djokovic in a final who wins?

 

[Shu-Pak]

Wimby 2008 Fed vs Wimby 2015 Djokovic in a final who wins?

The fans?

 

[Strale]

Wimby 2008 Fed vs Wimby 2015 Djokovic in a final who wins?

Well 3:1 i guess Djokovic wins since he is proven better player on grass when it comes to facing Federer...

My bet is on him but in the world of fantasy everything is possible and i wouldn't count Federer out there .

 

[Madinolf]

At the age Federer's grass prime ended, 27 years old, Djokovic's grass prime started.

 

[abmk]

NO.

Also, I agreed with another poster above that Fed lost half a step and got older AS WELL AS my post regarding the competition getting better and stepping up.
Namely that competition being NADAL, DJOKOVIC, BERDYCH, TSONGA and STAK.

BOOM! EAT IT!

Like I said.

fed faced tougher competition than berdych, tsonga and stak from 2003-09 at Wimbledon.
fed only faced nadal once after Wim 08 on grass and beat him.
fed beat djoko in Wim 12 and wouldn't lose to him on grass till Wim 14 final when fed was nearly 33.

So your post is utter rubbish to say the least.

Djokovic ultra mega lucky with fed becoming older.
DEAL WITH IT!

And get some decency while you are it.

 

[RS]

At the age Federer's grass prime ended, 27 years old, Djokovic's grass prime started.

Was Wim 11-12 not a grass prime Djokovic?

 

[abmk]

At the age Federer's grass prime ended, 27 years old, Djokovic's grass prime started.

wrong.
Djoko's prime years on grass: 11-15 and 18.

19/21 is not prime Djokovic on grass. Just ultra mega lucky with weak competition (&choking from fed in Wim 19 final)

 

[RS]

Well 3:1 i guess Djokovic wins since he is proven better player on grass when it comes to facing Federer...

My bet is on him but in the world of fantasy everything is possible and i wouldn't count Federer out there .

So Djokovic in 4/5.

 

[Madinolf]

Was Wim 11-12 not a grass prime Djokovic?

I'm talking of results.

 

[Strale]

So Djokovic in 4/5.

Pfff as i said i work poorly with hypothetical stuff,i try to focus on reality and proven evidence...

 

[RS]

I'm talking of results.

Djokovic won in 2011 and reached the SF in 2012.

 

[abmk]

So Djokovic in 4/5.

Please stop feeding that loser 12 yo kid or pathetic loser of a troll who hasn't watched tennis before 2011 or possibly 14/15.
I'm putting him on ignore now.
Djokovic fanbase is ultra-loser and toxic on TTW - big chunk of it.

 

[RS]

The fans?

Well yes

 

[RS]

Pfff as i said i work poorly with hypothetical stuff,i try to focus on reality and proven evidence...

Now say that without crying lol...Not my fault you are supporting weak era vulture champ

Oh boy.....

 

[abmk]

Now say that without crying lol...Not my fault you are supporting weak era vulture champ

Hey, I'm not supporting Djokovic, the weak era vulture, loser kiddo/troll.
I am done replying to you.
Maybe one day when you get your head out of Djokovic's you know where, I'll put you off ignore.

 

[Nadal_Django]

He didn't declined. He was found out by a better competition.

 

[RS]

Please stop feeding that loser 12 yo kid or pathetic loser of a troll who hasn't watched tennis before 2011 or possibly 14/15.
I'm putting him on ignore now.
Djokovic fanbase is ultra-loser and toxic on TTW - big chunk of it.

At least you seem okay with Nadal fans

 

[Strale]

He didn't declined. He was found out by a better competition.

Literally this

 

[abmk]

You probably remember 125downthemiddle.

I do. But the Djokovic fanbase these days makes him look a lot better in comparision. Its that pathetically toxic/ignorant.

 

[ffw2]

I do. But the Djokovic fanbase these days makes him look a lot better in comparision. Its that pathetically toxic/ignorant.

lol, he's versatile.

 

[RS]

He didn't declined. He was found out by a better competition.

I don’t think you are saying 2015 Fed was the same as 2003-2008 Fed at Wimby and it was just the competition that was different.

 

[Nadal_Django]

I don’t think you are saying 2015 Fed was the same as 2003-2008 Fed at Wimby and it was just the competition that was different.

2015 Fed was certainly on par or better than those younger version of himself. But he had to deal with one of the highest grass Peaks in modern tennis history, that year. We aren't talking about the bunny Roddick here you know.

 

[pj80]

Its simple ... There is a significant difference going up against Roddick than Djokovic in a slam final.

 

[RS]

Its simple ... There is a significant difference going up against Roddick than Djokovic in a slam final.

Roddick Wim 04 final ~ Djokovic Wim 14 final.

 

[Kralingen]

Can someone seriously explain the drop off from 08/09 form to getting breadsticked by Berdych in 2010 though? Was Fed hurt or something?

The rest have decently easy explanations if you pay attention (Tsonga literally serving 83% from sets 3-5, back injury in ‘13, Djokovic being really good on grass). That one loss to Berdych is the weird outlier.

 

[Shu-Pak]

because you said competition including berdych/tsonga/stak stepped up. I said fed faced tougher competition than berdych/tsonga/stak in 2003-08 at Wim.
The one who needs to comprehend is you, pal.

I agree that Fed "may" have faced tougher competition in 2003-2008. However, I agreed that Fed had lost half a step AND got older while the competition may have also stepped up (Nadal, Djokovic, Murray etc).

Having this in mind, Federer did remarkably well considering all the factors against him (losing speed, getting older, competition). He won in 2012 and 2017! Made the finals in 2014, 2015 AND 2019 losing only to the tennis GOD Djokovic.
That's actually extremely impressive and that's why Fed is one of the GOATS.

I'm unsure why you're so angry at the TRUTH???

Just DEAL with your emotions a bit better huh? Nobody is trying to troll you bruh.....just spittin' facts homie!

 

[abmk]

Can someone seriously explain the drop off from 08/09 form to getting breadsticked by Berdych in 2010 though? Was Fed hurt or something?

The rest have decently easy explanations if you pay attention (Tsonga literally serving 83% from sets 3-5, back injury in ‘13, Djokovic being really good on grass). That one loss to Berdych is the weird outlier.

Fed had leg issue in Wim 10.
Wim 13, I think he was fine by himself in that Stak match. Just couldn't get the returns going vs Stak SnVing very well.