Why did Med not step forward when he pulled Rafa wide?

There were 2 dozen points where Rafa was pulled wide, running wide,
and Med did not step forward to anticipate a weak reply.
Stayed behind baseline. This is basic tennis 101 positioning.

Did anyone notice this basic blunder by Med ?
I am tempted to make a video with a handful of examples once the match is posted.
 

Spider

Hall of Fame
That doesn't come naturally to him. And expecting him to make that in a final isn't easy at all.

The best part for Medvedev is he is young and can work on this in the off season and challenge the big 3.
 

tonylg

Semi-Pro
There were 2 dozen points where Rafa was pulled wide, running wide,
and Med did not step forward to anticipate a weak reply.
Stayed behind baseline. This is basic tennis 101 positioning.

Did anyone notice this basic blunder by Med ?
I am tempted to make a video with a handful of examples once the match is posted.
Worse than that, he actually hit a ball from inside the service line and ran back to the baseline.

:-D
 
Worse than that, he actually hit a ball from inside the service line and ran back to the baseline.

:-D

Yes, I saw that a few times where he was backpedaling.
Mac even commented on it the first time.

I was shocked that the announcers were not picking up on this
He would have Rafa on the run, and just stand there.
I mean this is BASIC 3.5 stuff.

Tennis is crazy.

I have downloaded the match, and will find a few examples later in the week.
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
Yes, I saw that a few times where he was backpedaling.
Mac even commented on it the first time.

I was shocked that the announcers were not picking up on this
He would have Rafa on the run, and just stand there.
I mean this is BASIC 3.5 stuff.

Tennis is crazy.

I have downloaded the match, and will find a few examples later in the week.
It’s easy to say that a player should have done this or that, but it’s a whole different view when your on the court playing a match. Plus you get passed a few times and it makes a player wary.
 

tonylg

Semi-Pro
It’s easy to say that a player should have done this or that, but it’s a whole different view when your on the court playing a match. Plus you get passed a few times and it makes a player wary.
Totally agree. Tennis has become a sport where you only go to the net for an easy put away. Medvedev was just playing modern tennis, at which he is exceptional.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
Did anyone notice this basic blunder by Med ?
Yes, I noticed every 14-23 seconds for 5 hours. So did the McEnroe brothers, who spent at least 15% of their total broadcast mentioning and bemoaning it. Med could have won the match had he been more aggressive and attacked the net. Even with his lousy net skills and weird contortions when volleying, he still would have won a lot of points had he come in when Rafa was stretched off the court.
 

MeatTornado

Legend
Not only did he not step forward, he didn't even move his feet an inch so he could hit a putaway forehand.

Dude hits a 130mph serve out wide that Rafa can only float back, and he lets it fall to his left so he can hit a 20 mph backhand slightly up the line and engage in a 15 shot rally.
 
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tonylg

Semi-Pro
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Did anyone notice this basic blunder by Med ?
Yes, I noticed every 14-23 seconds for 5 hours. So did the McEnroe brothers, who spent at least 15% of their total broadcast mentioning and bemoaning it. Med could have won the match had he been more aggressive and attacked the net. Even with his lousy net skills and weird contortions when volleying, he still would have won a lot of points had he come in.
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I disagree that he would have won the match.

I think he may have changed the match and perhaps Nadal would have not stood so far back, but that would not automatically translate to Medvedev winning.
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
It’s so easy to arm chair quarterback. Both players are baseliners and one made over 3 1/2 million and the other made almost 2 million dollars playing the game the way they know how to.
 

Tenez101

Hall of Fame
He’s a baseliner first and foremost. Needs to learn to come out of his comfort zone in big matches.
 

Mr.Lob

Legend
There were 2 dozen points where Rafa was pulled wide, running wide,
and Med did not step forward to anticipate a weak reply.
Stayed behind baseline. This is basic tennis 101 positioning.

Did anyone notice this basic blunder by Med ?
I am tempted to make a video with a handful of examples once the match is posted.
Not much he can do when Nadal blocks those shots back high and deep.
 

yokied

Professional
Danii knew that most of his approaches were too weak, for any number of reasons. In order of importance: insufficient power, weak slices, not enough angle. Even against 2019 Nadal's depleted groundies, if he can get a play at your approaches, his passing radar will come online eventually, especially FH DTL and BH CC. Just ask SABRogi.
 
Here is a video.

Look at
2:20
3:31
6:20, he's BACKPEDALING, with Rafa on the run
6:25, again going back,

He does this constantly.
This is 3.0 level court positioning.
Tennis is so hard that even the ATP #4 has no idea how to play tennis

 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
There were 2 dozen points where Rafa was pulled wide, running wide,
and Med did not step forward to anticipate a weak reply.
Stayed behind baseline. This is basic tennis 101 positioning.

Did anyone notice this basic blunder by Med ?
I am tempted to make a video with a handful of examples once the match is posted.
Because under immense pressure in the final of one of the biggest events of the year even champions are not very good at changing tactics. He's a smart guy, so it is very likely that he'll learn quickly. I hope he realizes from his results that coming to the net more in the future is a winning strategy, and he certainly has the potential to do it.

The tendency of younger players to stay back all the time has to be a basic coaching weakness that needs to be fixed. It is one of the main reasons why young players are not challenging more.
 
Because Nadal passes easily from such balls. Federer was backpedalling plenty of times in 2017 AO final, which he didn't do in their past matches, when he would constantly get easily passed by Nadal's crushing shots.
 

Enga

Hall of Fame
True, not sure many will beat Nadal by trying to outlast him. Maybe its smarter and more consistent to play safe tennis but at the same time, a bit of unpredictability and some nice winners can help against someone like Nadal.
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
Rafa was under tremendous pressure when Med had break point to equal in 5th set ,but Med played very defensive and kept pushing the ball .
this is where Djoker is different -he wud have made aggressive returns or tried to play deep shots touching lines .

Passive play on final break point was the reason Med lost .
 

Fabresque

Professional
He has the ability to play at net, but lacks confidence. It won’t just randomly show up in a slam final. He thought he could out hit Nadal from the baseline, and he did for a long, long time. Nadal had no answers at the end of the third to the start of the fifth. Don’t change a winning tactic. But I do agree he needs to be more confident in his net game, it can be an extremely valuable asset.
 
He has the ability to play at net, but lacks confidence. It won’t just randomly show up in a slam final. He thought he could out hit Nadal from the baseline, and he did for a long, long time. Nadal had no answers at the end of the third to the start of the fifth. Don’t change a winning tactic. But I do agree he needs to be more confident in his net game, it can be an extremely valuable asset.
He is a bit tentative. But compared to the rest of the NextGen mugs, and compared to Cilic and Anderson, he volleys like JMac.
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
His pusher mentality was his undoing. It was sad to see a huge guy like him not punishing those cream puff replies.
Plenty of time for him to adapt and improve. He certainly seems bright enough to do so.

He was crushed by the slimy mutant in their 1st meeting. Came close to winning the 2nd. He learns fast. Djokodals days of vulturing slams in 2 horse races are hopefully over.
 

shazbot

Semi-Pro
Well, the answer is obvious.

Only a 3.5, who hits harder approach shots than a pro that hit the back fence, would have successfully come in on a wide shot when pulling Nadal off the court.

Someone text Medvedev quickly.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
Because Nadal passes easily from such balls. Federer was backpedalling plenty of times in 2017 AO final, which he didn't do in their past matches, when he would constantly get easily passed by Nadal's crushing shots.
Post a video indicating these "backpedalling" points from Fed in the 2017 final. There is one point from the fourth set where he's mid court and retreats to the baseline.
Post the "plenty of other times" he did this.
 

tonylg

Semi-Pro
Post a video indicating these "backpedalling" points from Fed in the 2017 final. There is one point from the fourth set where he's mid court and retreats to the baseline.
Post the "plenty of other times" he did this.
I'm not sure I'd call it backpedalling, but it's true that Federer does not attack like he used to.

As much as the grinding fans would love to believe it's because of god-like skills down the other end, it's because of slow courts, poly strings and huge racquet heads.
 
Post a video indicating these "backpedalling" points from Fed in the 2017 final. There is one point from the fourth set where he's mid court and retreats to the baseline.
Post the "plenty of other times" he did this.
Didn’t watch the 2017 final so can’t comment, but Fed absolutely stayed back passively just like Med in the 2008 Wimbledon final, which I consider the most overrated match of all time.
 
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