Why did this player have to self-rate?

Cindysphinx

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One of my teammates played 10 3.5 adult matches in 2010, having been bumped up from 3.0 that year.

In 2011, she played only mixed and combo (tore her achilles in the winter season).

In 2012, she is being required to self-rate, so she self-rated at 3.5.

I do not understand why she must self-rate. I thought computer ratings were good for three years.

Ideas?
 
One of my teammates played 10 3.5 adult matches in 2010, having been bumped up from 3.0 that year.

In 2011, she played only mixed and combo (tore her achilles in the winter season).

In 2012, she is being required to self-rate, so she self-rated at 3.5.

I do not understand why she must self-rate. I thought computer ratings were good for three years.

Ideas?

If she played 3 mixed matches she got a "M" rating more than likely, which then requires a player to self-rate for regular league.
 
If she played 3 mixed matches she got a "M" rating more than likely, which then requires a player to self-rate for regular league.

I believe this is a loophole that some people exploit after they get bumped up. They play mixed only the following year and then self rate at lower rating the next year.
 
If she played 3 mixed matches she got a "M" rating more than likely, which then requires a player to self-rate for regular league.

JLyon is correct.

I believe this is a loophole that some people exploit after they get bumped up. They play mixed only the following year and then self rate at lower rating the next year.

You can't self-rate lower than your last published rating as of 2011.
 
I believe this is a loophole that some people exploit after they get bumped up. They play mixed only the following year and then self rate at lower rating the next year.

I believe though the player still must self rate at most recent Computer rating given "C" or "B"
 
I believe though the player still must self rate at most recent Computer rating given "C" or "B"

I don't believe this is the case. If you get a C rating it is good for 3 years until you get another valid rating. Your "M" rating is another valid rating so if you get bumped to 4.5 and play the following year all mixed and get a 4.0 M at the end of the year. I believe you can get a self rating of 4.0 for regular leauges. I know some people who have done this .

This is from USTA question and answer last month. I copied only the relevant sections

2/14/2012
Question: How should a player's rating be handled if he/she
has a"M" or "T" exclusive rating, but also has a valid "B" or "C" rating from a previous year and is now being required to self-rate to join an Adult, Senior or Super Senior team?

Answer Scenario 3. When the player self-rates and is given a
lower rating than their valid “C” or “B” rating:

a. If the player has not registered for a team, he/she should
be moved up to his/her valid "C" or "B" rating by the
coordinator with the proper date and sent to TennisLink for
system-wide change.

b. If the player has registered for a team, but not
played, he/she should be encouraged to move up
to his/her valid "C" or "B" rating. If the player chooses not
to move up, he/she continues with his/her "S" rating and is
subject to dynamic disqualification and NTRP Grievances.

c. If the player has played a match at the lower self-rating
level and decides to remain at the lower
level, he/she continues with his/her "S" rating and is
subject to dynamic disqualification and NTRP Grievances.

d. If the player has played a match at the lower rating level
and decides to move up to his/her valid "C" or "B" rating,
the coordinator would change the player to his/her valid "C"
or "B" rating with the proper date and and submit a report
for system-wide change. Any matches played at the lower
rating level have been done so in good faith and stand

So is it is possible for this to happen and I know people this has happen to.
 
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Ah, OK.

I will pass it along. She was very confused.

This seems to be a bug in the system. I know someone here who this happened to as well. If you're M rating isn't a bump (i.e. she was 3.5 C and then got a 3.5 M rating), then you should continue at the valid C rating in the system, not revert to an M rating. I can see if you are bumped to a 4.0 M rating that you would have to self rate at 4.0 S and appeal back down to 3.5 S to play 3.5, but to wipe out the valid C rating from one season of mixed without a level change seems silly to me.
 
My wife was in a similar situation. She was a 3.5C and then had shoulder surgery after playing the mixed season the following year (and nothing else). She then received a 3.5M rating which left her at risk of a DQ when she returned to playing the following year.
 
This seems to be a bug in the system. I know someone here who this happened to as well. If you're M rating isn't a bump (i.e. she was 3.5 C and then got a 3.5 M rating), then you should continue at the valid C rating in the system, not revert to an M rating. I can see if you are bumped to a 4.0 M rating that you would have to self rate at 4.0 S and appeal back down to 3.5 S to play 3.5, but to wipe out the valid C rating from one season of mixed without a level change seems silly to me.

I believe that there is no difference in substance between "S" and "M". Both are subject to dynamic DQ, right? Is there any other difference in how those ratings operate?

I guess "M" exists so everyone (e.g. captains) will know the player didn't pull the rating out of her behind and that it is based on something.
 
This seems to be a bug in the system. I know someone here who this happened to as well. If you're M rating isn't a bump (i.e. she was 3.5 C and then got a 3.5 M rating), then you should continue at the valid C rating in the system, not revert to an M rating. I can see if you are bumped to a 4.0 M rating that you would have to self rate at 4.0 S and appeal back down to 3.5 S to play 3.5, but to wipe out the valid C rating from one season of mixed without a level change seems silly to me.

I agree with you when there is no change in rating, they should just keep it as a C or B.

One cannot self-rate lower than the published rating and no reason to self-rate higher (few would anyway) since you can always play up, so USTA should have never changed it so that people with M and T ratings have to self-rate again. It's extra steps for the players just to sign up for a league now and I know it has turned off a few people.
 
I believe that there is no difference in substance between "S" and "M". Both are subject to dynamic DQ, right? Is there any other difference in how those ratings operate?

I guess "M" exists so everyone (e.g. captains) will know the player didn't pull the rating out of her behind and that it is based on something.

They changed the rules a couple years ago so that M rated players can't play adult leagues, which is why you now have to self-rate to play adult and your rating changes from M to S, so, no, there is no difference at all (you're S rated either way). M rating exists really only for people who only play mixed.
 
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