Why didn’t Roger invite Novak to South Africa?

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
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"Bad blood" is an interesting way to describe it. It definitely feels like there has been a real edge in their matches almost from the very start.

Roger processes losses better than any other player, but Novak hit a raw nerve with that Whodini like escape at 2010 USO, and we all saw Roger's pretty unfiltered response. You never normally see him respond like that in a presser.

Ever since then Roger has probably felt like he has left a lot of money on the table against Novak and is not particularly happy about it.
It started very early on, back in 2006 DC and Federer felt he called an mto at an opportune time in a Djokovic/Wawrinka match and it escalated from there. Honestly, I think he saw the potential there and didn't like it and Federer was very territorial about his place in the game back then, and had a few choice words for Murray and Nadal in the press as well. But yea, it started off on the wrong foot and never recovered.
 

Hitman

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It started very early on, back in 2006 DC and Federer felt he called an mto at an opportune time in a Djokovic/Wawrinka match and it escalated from there. Honestly, I think he saw the potential there and didn't like it and Federer was very territorial about his place in the game back then, and had a few choice words for Murray and Nadal in the press as well. But yea, it started off on the wrong foot and never recovered.
It actually started even before then, when Novak's parents said their son was going to be the next king of tennis and dethrone Federer. This left a bad taste in Fed's mouth, because he felt he was be used as a stepping stone by Novak's parents to push him into the limelight. Now Novak himself hadn't said anything, but his parents targeted the top guy almost immediately in a brash brazen and unapologetic way, and Fed as you say was very territorial and felt he deserved more respect, but also thought that Novak hadn't even at that point done anything for his parents to declare him the future king. So Fed then when he had the opportunity to comment on Novak, said those words during that DC showdown, and I remember many were saying it was his retaliation against Novak's parents, not specifically against Novak himself. But yeah, it wasn't the right start for them.
 
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NoleFam

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It actually started even before then, when Novak's parents said their son was going to be the next king of tennis and dethrone Federer. This left a bad taste in Fed's mouth, because he felt he was be used as a stepping stone by Novak's parents to push him into the limelight. Now Novak himself hadn't said anything, but his parents targeted the top guy almost immediately in a brash brazen and unapologetic way, and Fed as you say was very territorial and felt he deserved more respect, but also thought that Novak hadn't even at that point done anything for his parents to declare him the future king. So Fed then when he had the opportunity to comment on Novak, said those words during that DC showdown, and I remember many were saying it was his retaliation against Novak's parents, not specifically against Novak himself. But yeah, it wasn't the right start for them.
I had no idea about this and I could see how this would have irritated Federer, but he did help escalate the situation in Geneva. That's when I felt it took a turn for the worse. On one hand Djokovic's parents are just too much and too over the top, and were too cocky about their kid, but Federer also played his part as well. Here is a site with an article that talks about what happened in 2006 DC.

 

Hitman

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I had no idea about this and I could see how this would have irritated Federer, but he did help escalate the situation in Geneva. That's when I felt it took a turn for the worse. On one hand Djokovic's parents are just too much and too over the top, and were too cocky about their kid, but Federer also played his part as well. Here is a site with an article that talks about what happened in 2006 DC.

Oh yeah, absolutely. Federer allowed Djokovic's parents to get under his skin, and to get at them he made some choice words about Novak. Novak was the one that was being dragged into this, because he wasn't the one saying any of this stuff. I do think if Novak's parents didn't start mouthing off at the start, things would have gotten off on a better foot between Novak and Federer. It seemed they have been playing catch up in trying to move forward in their relationship since then.
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
Oh yeah, absolutely. Federer allowed Djokovic's parents to get under his skin, and to get at them he made some choice words about Novak. Novak was the one that was being dragged into this, because he wasn't the one saying any of this stuff. I do think if Novak's parents didn't start mouthing off at the start, things would have gotten off on a better foot between Novak and Federer. It seemed they have been playing catch up in trying to move forward in their relationship since then.
No I think this relationship would have been doomed from the start. He would have said something eventually that would have gotten under their skin, like the same way he did with Nadal and Murray, they would have blown it way out of proportion and it would have escalated. The only thing about it is I could see them being overprotective when he was 18/19 but they never realized you need to learn to shut it, take a back seat and let your son run his own show. They have never learned that lesson, and still to this day his dad runs his mouth to the press. Novak really doesn't need that.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Roger spent 2 years trying to agree a date with Rafa for the event. He could have asked Novak instead but he didn't.

Speaking ahead of the clash, Federer said:

“For me, when I realised something very special could happen, it was only Rafa who could make this event truly special for the people here.


“I have the connection to Rafa. If somebody could maybe bring him down to South Africa, it is me.

“I asked him and he said yes right away.


“We have been fighting over a date for the last two years so I finally got one out of him.

 
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Hitman

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No I think this relationship would have been doomed from the start. He would have said something eventually that would have gotten under their skin, like the same way he did with Nadal and Murray, they would have blown it way out of proportion and it would have escalated. The only thing about it is I could see them being overprotective when he was 18/19 but they never realized you need to learn to shut it, take a back seat and let your son run his own show. They have never learned that lesson, and still to this day his dad runs his mouth to the press. Novak really doesn't need that.
Very valid points all round.
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
Can you just imagine someone making triangular tennis court for the purpose of exhibition?
Rafa's game is effective on Clay because of where HE lands to ball on the opposite site of the court. Rafa's topspin FH is nowhere near as effective on Grass or HC.

So unless the players rotate from court to court during the match, then Rafa would be at a huge disadvantage in such a scenario.
 

Indigo

Semi-Pro
They can rotate then. So no one would be at disadvantage. Hope someone watches this and makes it for a truly spectacular exo.
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
Only privileged upper class Rich individuals can afford to buy ticket at GrandSlams
Sorry, either you are misinformed or very poor. Do only “upper class rich individuals” attend Elton John concerts? Because a floor ticket to one of his endless concerts is far less than a ticket to a slam semifinal. And a slam QF ticket can be had for less from a scalper on site if Fedal aren’t playing.

Sure, if you’re paying usurious Stubhub rates, you’ll pay a lot, but the face value on a USO semifinal ticket is $525, which is affordable and not for “rich” people.
 

mbm0912

Hall of Fame
Sorry, either you are misinformed or very poor. Do only “upper class rich individuals” attend Elton John concerts? Because a floor ticket to one of his endless concerts is far less than a ticket to a slam semifinal. And a slam QF ticket can be had for less from a scalper on site if Fedal aren’t playing.

Sure, if you’re paying usurious Stubhub rates, you’ll pay a lot, but the face value on a USO semifinal ticket is $525, which is affordable and not for “rich” people.
The $10 Heinekens were what killed me at Flushing Meadows.
 

4-string

Professional
Why would Fed want to drive people away from his own charity event by inviting someone that nobody likes? Makes no sense.
 

maratha_warrior

Hall of Fame
Sorry, either you are misinformed or very poor. Do only “upper class rich individuals” attend Elton John concerts? Because a floor ticket to one of his endless concerts is far less than a ticket to a slam semifinal. And a slam QF ticket can be had for less from a scalper on site if Fedal aren’t playing.

Sure, if you’re paying usurious Stubhub rates, you’ll pay a lot, but the face value on a USO semifinal ticket is $525, which is affordable and not for “rich” people.
i can't afford it .
 

Tshooter

Legend
The $10 Heinekens were what killed me at Flushing Meadows.
You got a deal because the Heinekens were $11.50 or $14 in a plastic USO Cup :sneaky:.

Price of large water at US Open = $7.50

Stubhub (pre-fees) price for QF day or night ticket to 2020 NY Open as of Friday AM = $6.
 
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I Am Finnish

Talk Tennis Guru
Can you just imagine someone making triangular tennis court for the purpose of exhibition? How freaking awesome that would be... Can you imagine such a match with the title The Ultimate GOAT Challenge played in the triangular GOAT arena. People organizing this would earn a fortune...

LoL
 

Karma Tennis

Hall of Fame
They can rotate then. So no one would be at disadvantage. Hope someone watches this and makes it for a truly spectacular exo.
OK, so how would the point play work? Would each player have to hit the ball in turn? Or would the player hitting the ball get to decide who hits the ball next?

If it is the latter, Federer and Nadal could freeze Novak out of the contest by refusing to hit balls to him.
 
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