Why do Federer fans hate Nadal and Murray so much

ripitup

Banned
I have noticed, especialy on this forum that Federer fans seems to really hate Nadal and Murray. Does anyone have some insight into why that is.
 

RNadal

Professional
Isn't it obvious why they hate Rafa? He schools old Rogie every time they play. And add to that the little fact that he is a "small" threat to the GOAT legacy.

As to Murray, I'm not completely sure. Denying Grandfatherer the so prestigious Olympics singles gold maybe? :twisted:

Bamos!
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Isn't it blindingly obvious?

Nadal and Murray are the only 2 top players to have a consistently positive H2H against Federer (currently 21-10 to Nadal and 11-9 to Murray).

What more reasons do you need?
 

ripitup

Banned
Isn't it blindingly obvious?

Nadal and Murray are the only 2 top players to have a consistently positive H2H against Federer (currently 21-10 to Nadal and 11-9 to Murray).

What more reasons do you need?

Well Nadal I can understand for that. Murray I would think it would have to be more than that though. Murray has almost never beaten Federer in the really big matches, so he hasnt done the damage to Federer which Nadal has.

Federer fans are also scared to death Nadal will pass his slam record and surpass him as the greatest player of their era, both which are looking atleast 75% likely to happen at this point. That must make them burn with rage and hatred for Nadal, that reality.

So come to think I dont even need to ask why they hate Nadal. With Murray maybe the head to head is part of it, but he hasnt beaten Federer in enough really big matches for it to be just that. There must be something else to it too.
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
Because it is written in the book of Goat 17:13, "He who beat the goat, your idol, shalt be despised and hated for Goating the goat."

May the Goat bless you.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Murray is not even in Novak's league, he is a non entity

What's Novak got to do with anything? This thread is about why so many Fedfans hate Nadal and Murray! Novak evidently isn't worth hating! :)

But anyway, how come Novak has lost 2 of his last 3 Grand Slam finals to this 'non-entity'? :confused:
 

ripitup

Banned
I think some people get frusterated with Nadal and Murray since with their physical strength and athletic ability they are also capable of playing more agressively than they do, but both have a tendency to revert into an overly agressive mode. Nadal is physically stronger and more athletic than Federer or Djokovic by a long way, and Muray is atleast as much as those two too. They dont really show that in their play as much, and are overly relaint on their excellent defense, great point construction, variety (more Murray), and fighting spirit and consistency (more Nadal) to win. Had they used their natural power and athleticsm more though Nadal would probably already have 20 slams, and Murray atleast 6.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Well Nadal I can understand for that. Murray I would think it would have to be more than that though. Murray has almost never beaten Federer in the really big matches, so he hasnt done the damage to Federer which Nadal has.

Federer fans are also scared to death Nadal will pass his slam record and surpass him as the greatest player of their era, both which are looking atleast 75% likely to happen at this point. That must make them burn with rage and hatred for Nadal, that reality.

So come to think I dont even need to ask why they hate Nadal. With Murray maybe the head to head is part of it, but he hasnt beaten Federer in enough really big matches for it to be just that. There must be something else to it too.

Beating their idol more times than he has been beaten is enough reason for many of them. Besides, Murray has won the last 2 'big' matches they have played ie. the Olympic final,denying Fed probably his last chance to win the much-coveted Olympic singles gold and in the AO semis denying him the opportunity to make at least one Slam final this year for the first time since 2002!
 

90's Clay

Banned
Well its obvious why they would hate Nadal.

Nadal stopped Fed from a few calendars and maybe 23 or 24 plus slams and various other titles
 

ripitup

Banned
Beating their idol more times than he has been beaten is enough reason for many of them. Besides, Murray has won the last 2 'big' matches they have played ie. the Olympic final,denying Fed probably his last chance to win the much-coveted Olympic singles gold and in the AO semis denying him the opportunity to make at least one Slam final this year for the first time since 2002!

True, but Federer fans hated Nadal even before the Olympic final. How big would you consider Masters events today by the way. I always had considered them pretty big, but when you think about a top player generally plays about 20 events a year. 5 of them bigger than a Masters (4 slams and Davis Cup or Olympics), the 9 Masters and the WTF, then about 5 smaller. So on a top players schedule it averages out to average, although it still feels big. So if we consider Masters big events though, that would mean 75-80% of the events they play in a typical year are big events. I mean top players schedule, not lower ranked ones.
 
I don't hate Murray. I vastly prefer him to Nadal and Djokovic.

I hate Djokovic because he is an obnoxious d-bag. Funny enough, I liked Roddick, and he's the same way...but Roddick is a smartass who rebels against the media, which I've always admired.

If Djokovic didn't play tennis, he'd be in a club, drunk off his ***, hitting on your girlfriend. He's a college "bro" type.

Nadal is a slimy phony with obnoxious fist pump celebrations after big points. Must cohn-cen-trate velly velly hard in order to have chance against club player, no?

Murray is just boring. He has tons of power but he doesn't usually use it. But he doesn't really bother me.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
What's Novak got to do with anything? This thread is about why so many Fedfans hate Nadal and Murray! Novak evidently isn't worth hating! :)

But anyway, how come Novak has lost 2 of his last 3 Grand Slam finals to this 'non-entity'? :confused:

Murray is several rungs lower in accomplishment. No threat or nothing in his game that Federer would wish to have or envy. Murray is a human backboard, why should we hate him for that..
 

ripitup

Banned
Beating their idol more times than he has been beaten is enough reason for many of them. Besides, Murray has won the last 2 'big' matches they have played ie. the Olympic final,denying Fed probably his last chance to win the much-coveted Olympic singles gold and in the AO semis denying him the opportunity to make at least one Slam final this year for the first time since 2002!

I have also seen many Federer fans lowball the importance of Nadal having Olympic singles gold while Federer doesnt in the comparision between them. Even saying the WTF is supposably a way bigger event than the Olympics. Yet you seem to think the Olympic loss to Murray was a very painful one for them. So do you think Federer fans are bothered by the lack of Olympic singles Gold, especialy when it comes up in comparisions to archrival Nadal, more than they admit, and resent Murray for taking that away from him in brutal fashion more than they admit too?
 
records were meant to be broken.

either you love the sport or you do not.


now some records will be a little harder to deal with going forward. the hardest slam to win is RG and to win it 8-10 times is beyond insane.

the sport has become too demanding and becomes more and more demanding with each passing year. this is on record that can never be ever be touched.

so some records will never be broken while other records are there to be shattered.
 

bullfan

Legend
Well Nadal I can understand for that. Murray I would think it would have to be more than that though. Murray has almost never beaten Federer in the really big matches, so he hasnt done the damage to Federer which Nadal has.

Federer fans are also scared to death Nadal will pass his slam record and surpass him as the greatest player of their era, both which are looking atleast 75% likely to happen at this point. That must make them burn with rage and hatred for Nadal, that reality.

So come to think I dont even need to ask why they hate Nadal. With Murray maybe the head to head is part of it, but he hasnt beaten Federer in enough really big matches for it to be just that. There must be something else to it too.

Olympic gold.....Andy denied Federer that, which Nadal has over Fed.
 

bullfan

Legend
Murray is several rungs lower in accomplishment. No threat or nothing in his game that Federer would wish to have or envy. Murray is a human backboard, why should we hate him for that..

Olympic Gold! That's why, and it's less about Murray, as it's about Nadal.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Murray is several rungs lower in accomplishment. No threat or nothing in his game that Federer would wish to have or envy. Murray is a human backboard, why should we hate him for that..

Lol...no threat in his game to Federer? So how come Fed has lost no less than 11 of his 20 matches against this guy whose game is no apparent threat to him? After all, he doesn't extend the same courtesy to the likes of poor Ferrer who he hasn't conceded a single match to in 14 meetings or barely anybody else on the tour other than Nadal.

Their H2H in big matches (which includes Slams, WTF, Masters and Olympics) is currently 9-7 in Murray's favour. IMO that's a tad on the dangerously close side for someone who you say is no threat to him!
 

SafinIsGOAT

Rookie
As a Federer fan, here's what I hate about Nadal and Murray:

* Obnoxious on court -- grunts, butt picking, time wasting, ...
* No personality
* 1-dimensional playing styles that exploit surface homogeneity and modern racket technology. This allows them to win Wimbledon without playing real grass court tennis. Federer has proved he has a grass game with his pure S&V against Sampras and his attacking tennis against Roddick.
* No elegance, no shotmaking ability, no reason I want to watch a highlight reel of them.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Lol...no threat in his game to Federer? So how come Fed has lost no less than 11 of his 20 matches against this guy whose game is no apparent threat to him? After all, he doesn't extend the same courtesy to the likes of poor Ferrer who he hasn't conceded a single match to in 14 meetings or barely anybody else on the tour other than Nadal.

Their H2H in big matches (which includes Slams, WTF, Masters and Olympics) is currently 9-7 in Murray's favour. IMO that's a tad on the dangerously close side for someone who you say is no threat to him!

You know very well that i meant 'no threat' , as in no threat to his records.. Fed won all the important matches that were needed. AO does not matter as Novak would have beaten Fed anyways.. Olympics is not a major and does not matter, how much ever people twist and turn.
 

Graf=GOAT

Professional
You know very well that i meant 'no threat' , as in no threat to his records.. Fed won all the important matches that were needed. AO does not matter as Novak would have beaten Fed anyways.. Olympics is not a major and does not matter, how much ever people twist and turn.

Your opinion. Plenty of tennis players said they value Olympic singles gold as much as a major title.
 

granddog29

Banned
Lol...no threat in his game to Federer? So how come Fed has lost no less than 11 of his 20 matches against this guy whose game is no apparent threat to him? After all, he doesn't extend the same courtesy to the likes of poor Ferrer who he hasn't conceded a single match to in 14 meetings or barely anybody else on the tour other than Nadal.

Their H2H in big matches (which includes Slams, WTF, Masters and Olympics) is currently 9-7 in Murray's favour. IMO that's a tad on the dangerously close side for someone who you say is no threat to him!

Agreed but you still have to stay Djokovic is Federer's 2nd toughest career opponent over Murray. Yes Murray has a slightly better overall head to head, but Djokovic has been a bigger threat to Federer in the slams. A way before prime Djokovic even spanked a prime Federer silly at the 2008 Australian Open (cue the Federer fan excuses, but Federer had just come off a 3 slam + WTF year so he was in his prime).

Murray I would give his 3rd toughest.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Actually it's the Nadal fans lowball Federer Olympic Gold and of course the 6 WTFs.

Federer fans doesn't lowball Nadal's achievement but you can't say the same for Nadal fans when they discredit just about every records Roger owned.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Agreed but you still have to stay Djokovic is Federer's 2nd toughest career opponent over Murray. Yes Murray has a slightly better overall head to head, but Djokovic has been a bigger threat to Federer in the slams. A way before prime Djokovic even spanked a prime Federer silly at the 2008 Australian Open (cue the Federer fan excuses, but Federer had just come off a 3 slam + WTF year so he was in his prime).

Murray I would give his 3rd toughest.

Murray has taken NOTHING from Federer.. Wins in inconsequential matches will be forgotten even before Fed hangs his boots.

Novak has several important wins over Fed, yet most Fed fans like him.
 

bullfan

Legend
Actually it's the Nadal fans lowball Federer Olympic Gold and of course the 6 WTFs.

Federer fans doesn't lowball Nadal's achievement but you can't say the same for Nadal fans when they discredit just about every records Roger owned.

That is hysterical! Fed fans lowball Nadal achievements all the time!
 

bullfan

Legend
Murray has taken NOTHING from Federer.. Wins in inconsequential matches will be forgotten even before Fed hangs his boots.

Novak has several important wins over Fed, yet most Fed fans like him.

Olympic Gold, a feat Nadal has and Fed doesn't! Nadal won it on indoor hardcourts to boot! Murray kept Fed from equaling Nadal in the gold medal, and on Nadals worst surface, to boot!
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Olympic Gold, a feat Nadal has and Fed doesn't! Nadal won it on indoor hardcourts to boot! Murray kept Fed from equaling Nadal in the gold medal, and on Nadals worst surface, to boot!

We know the routine now..I will say he has an olympic gold and you would say that doesnt count as tennis is an individual sport.. So let's pass.

The media and the world dont care how many olympic medals a tennis player won. All they broadcast everyday is the major count.
 

Crisstti

Legend
Because it is written in the book of Goat 17:13, "He who beat the goat, your idol, shalt be despised and hated for Goating the goat."

May the Goat bless you.

Lol :)

As a Federer fan, here's what I hate about Nadal and Murray:

* Obnoxious on court -- grunts, butt picking, time wasting, ...
* No personality
* 1-dimensional playing styles that exploit surface homogeneity and modern racket technology. This allows them to win Wimbledon without playing real grass court tennis. Federer has proved he has a grass game with his pure S&V against Sampras and his attacking tennis against Roddick.
* No elegance, no shotmaking ability, no reason I want to watch a highlight reel of them.

Lol, hoe is that obnoxious?. You need to look up the word in a dictionary.

Also, no shotmaking ability?. Please.

Actually it's the Nadal fans lowball Federer Olympic Gold and of course the 6 WTFs.

Federer fans doesn't lowball Nadal's achievement but you can't say the same for Nadal fans when they discredit just about every records Roger owned.

Wow, it's really getting harder and harder to take you seriously. No, federer fans just call Nadal a doper with nothing even remotely resembling evidence because of how bitter they are. You yourself have don this recently.

The hypocrisy...

And yeah, the Federer fans who hate Nadal and Murray hate them because of the h2h, however much they like to say it's irrelevant. That and many of them are extremely arrogant and think tennis should just be played the way they say and can't stand someone doing something different (and winning)
 
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TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
That is hysterical! Fed fans lowball Nadal achievements all the time!

We crowned Nadal as the greatest clay courter of all time, but Nadal fans doesn't accept Roger is an all time great. We gave your Nadal respect but you guys don't respect Roger.
 

granddog29

Banned
We crowned Nadal as the greatest clay courter of all time, but Nadal fans doesn't accept Roger is an all time great.

There is no Nadal fan that ever disputed Roger is an all time great. Most people just dont accept Federer addicts insistence that Federer is the slam dunk undisputable, untouchable, GOAT like you want.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
OP: Hate stems from a certain segment of Federer's fanbase being...frankly disturbed. In yet another disturbing act, they tried to turn him into their (false) "god" figure in the face of history, truth and common sense. Its bad enough they attempt to flush superior records which will stand above Federer forever, but they attack Nadal (more than Murray) out of violent anger that their "god" is nothing of the sort.

It is clear the years certain Fed fans spent pointlessly pumping his majors count (as something far off in the distance..untouchable) was a failed campaign...the moment rational minds state majors counts do not last long....then Nadal wins two more in 2013.


That is hysterical! Fed fans lowball Nadal achievements all the time!

Morning, noon and night. Since the USO, dozens of anti-Nadal threads (including several "pump any trivial atat to pump Federer threads), and it goes on and on. This is the same group who count among them, members who wished for Nadal's knees to be "blown out."

The heart of evil.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
You know very well that i meant 'no threat' , as in no threat to his records.. Fed won all the important matches that were needed. AO does not matter as Novak would have beaten Fed anyways.. Olympics is not a major and does not matter, how much ever people twist and turn.

However much you may twist and turn, the Olympic title very much mattered and still matters to Fed. Had he won it, you would have counted it as one of his major achievements, as would Fed himself. It is only because he didn't win it and is now unlikely to ever do so that you and other Fedfans affect to dismiss it as of no importance.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
However much you may twist and turn, the Olympic title very much mattered and still matters to Fed. Had he won it, you would have counted it as one of his major achievements, as would Fed himself. It is only because he didn't win it and is now unlikely to ever do so that you and other Fedfans affect to dismiss it as of no importance.

Quoted for truth...then, you have the Fed fans who try to gloss over Fed never winning Gold in singles, so they elevate his doubles medal as if it was on the same level as singles. Federer could not win Gold in singles, but the amusing part is that they now try to pump a doubles title when they had no use for doubles (of any kind) in trying (and failing) to crown Federer at any other time.
 
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Crisstti

Legend
Federer has a gold and a silver medals, so stop saying that he hasn't won it.

He hasn't.

Quoted for truth...then, you have the Fed fans who try to gloss over Fed never winning Gold in singles, so they elevate his doubles medal as if it was on the same level as singles. Federer could not win Gold in singles, but the amusing part is that they now try to pump a doubles title when they had no use for doubles (of any kind) in trying (and failing) to crown Federer at any other time.

The best part is they do this while at the same time completely dismissing Rafa's DC titles because "it's a team effort", lol.
 

jiddy-p

Semi-Pro
If you want to know the truth, Federer fans don't hate Nadal, Nadal fans don't hate Federer. In fact there's a lot less hate among tennis fans than this forum would have you believe.

Unfortunately this place seems to attract radicalised fans and childish netizens. I've not been here long, I recently got really into tennis and was excited to talk to others who also feel passionately, but this place is filled to the rafters with rivalry threads, so much so that it's almost unbearable. And the posting etiquette here is seriously childish.

There is no true fan of tennis who can not appreciate the incredible tennis that all of the top players display for us, especially Federer and Nadal, who will undoubtedly go down as the two greatest players of all time. But that doesn't matter, the entire top 100 play an level of tennis that all of us can only dream of. L
To lack appreciation for their skills is folly, to 'hate' the very top guys of this elite group is... simply tragic.
 

Day Tripper

Semi-Pro
I have no issue with Murray - i find his game pretty boring but he seems like a good guy and plays fair. I dislike Nadal because my research has led me to the belief that he is most likely a drugs cheat.
 

adil1972

Hall of Fame
i dont hate nadal, i dont like him but i recognize he is a great player who has stopped federer from winning 10 consecutive slams

i also dont like murray and never thought he will win a grand slam
 
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FedererWinsWimbledon2014

Guest
Well I think it is obvious for RNadal, however it is RNadal fans which create a lot of resentment from RFederer fans towards their player, their delusion is incredible.

I don't hate AMurray, is he widely hated by RFederer fans?
 
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