BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Did you see his matches against Nalbandian? Nalbandian makes Nadal look helpless.
Why do people blatantly assume Federer has more talent than Nadal?
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BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Again, talent does not equal results.
Safin, Gasquet, and Nalbandian are all extremely talented but none of them win as much as Nadal does. There are other ways to win a tennis match other than using natural talent. All you have to do is look at all the pushers that dominate league tennis.
thalivest
Banned
Every player is made to look helpless vs someone sometimes. Sampras has been made to look helpless by Krajicek many times, Ivanisevic in their 92 Wimbledon semis, Philipoussis in their 96 Aussie match and even their 1999 Wimbledon match before Mark's knee injury.
What does it say about Nadal as a player and competitor that even in a match he was made to look helpless he still wins the match. Incredible really and a scary sign for the rest of the field.
As for talent the concept that the overhyped Richard Gaskit has more talent than Nadal makes me laugh.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
That's exactly the way I feel too.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
He looked helpless in the first set and 100% dominant in the third set. That's Nadal for you: he figures things out.
tahiti
Professional
So what are you saying Breakpoint? Don't push + lose = talent?
How much of the match did you actually watch? Nalbandien/Nadal?
henryshli
Semi-Pro
It was more like Nalby sulking in the 3rd set because he didn't take any of the 5 match points in the second.
King of Aces
Banned
unbelievable.....cant give Nadal credit....and why couldnt federer convert all those breakpoints ?????
Answer: Nadal is mentally tougher than anyone on the tour.
King of Aces
Banned
Then who cares about talent? I would much rather be less "talented" and win.
Its the difference between "looking good" and winning or the difference of using a players racquet and losing or using a Babolat and winning.
I would rather be less talented, look bad and use a Babolat but still be ranked #1.
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
That's not true for the beginning of the 3rd set, then it was Nadal making winners, after the second break Nalby got discouraged yes.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I'd rather be like Rafa: talented, looking good and #1
King of Aces
Banned
I'd rather be like Rafa: talented, looking good and #1
Bjorn Borg did not have the worlds greatest serve, backhand , or forehand.......but he still won.
Was Borg not "talented" as well??
The most important weapon in tennis is the mind . That's why "talented" players like Nastase or Safin never reached their full potential.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Agreed. If one cannot accept what is evident in Federer's diverse abilities--which are more apparent when compared to others with workman and/or simple skills--then there's no amount of evidence to convince those who choose to argue in favor of Nadal.
tahiti
Professional
Yes God. That's my flex reaction.
The more talented you make Federer out to be, the more talented I see Nadal for doing what he has done.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Oh come on, you cannot be serious. Nalbandian was mentally and physically exhausted and tanked the 3rd set. That often happens when you have a huge let down not converting on 5 match points. It had nothing to do with Nadal figuring anything out. :-?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
I saw the entire match.
Everyone was already saying that Federer was extremely talented when he first came on the pro tour even though he was losing to just about everyone. Now if people were judging talent only by winning matches they wouldn't have said that now would they?
Talent = how you play the game and what you can do with the ball under any circumstance.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
It doesn't matter how mentally tough Nadal is. What matters is how mentally tough Nalbandian wasn't. The match was on his racquet.
tahiti
Professional
Did you read Nadal's transcript interview after the match on the website for IW? Your answer is not quite correct.
King of Aces
Banned
Yes God. That's my flex reaction.
The more talented you make Federer out to be, the more talented I see Nadal for doing what he has done.
Let's just bring out what is really going on between the lines here....
This is yet another sore loser Fed fan thread that should really read:
"Federer is really better than Nadal".
Wouldn't it just be easier to admit the truth? How many more times does Nadal have to beat Federer for you guys to just grow up and deal with the reality?
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
That's you and that's why you will never get as much respect as someone who actually is talented. That's why Federer will always get more respect from fans and fellow players than Nadal ever will.
Sharapova also wins but almost nobody respects her game.
I'll take talent over winning anyday.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
What Nadal had to say after the match is irrelevant. Everyone who watched the match witnessed exactly what happened. No explanation from either player is required.
King of Aces
Banned
Roger Federer lost.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Are you kidding me? Borg had one of the best serves in his era and his groundstrokes were more consistent than anyone else's. He almost never missed. But I'd say he was still less talented than McEnroe.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Yes, and he got more respect by losing than Nadal did by winning.
King of Aces
Banned
Your wrong.
John Mcenroe, Roscoe Tanner had the best serves of their era.
Borg was very similar to Nadal.....
An "untalented winner".
Fedfans are just sore losers .
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Nadal could beat Federer 3,994,640,587,398 times and Federer will always still be more talented than Nadal. It's as plain to see as the nose on your face. You're either born with it or you're not.
King of Aces
Banned
Which do you respect more..... Crying like a baby an running off the court or fighting like a warrior and safi g five match points.
I think Federer has been losing respect for his conduct. Now that he is losing more we are getting to see what Federer is really like.
Federer lost please deal with it better than Roger.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
How many of Borg's matches did you see LIVE?
I saw almost all of them. He served in the 110-115mph range with his wood racquet. McEnroe never broke 100mph in his life until he went on the seniors tour and switched to a big powerful graphite racquet. His serve was only effective because he's lefty. If he was righty his serve would be below-par for a pro.
King of Aces
Banned
That's funny. With arguments like that I don't have to say a thing.
I rest my case.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
The more Federer cries, the more respect he gets from fans. Many people who weren't even Federer fans before are now his fans after seeing him cry at the AO.
JeMar
Legend
Who ran off the court?
King of Aces
Banned
Omg. again I don't need to say a damn thing. If you want to argue that Borg had a better serve than John Mcenroe and Roscoe Tanner then be my guest.
Keep it going !! I am certainly not going to stand in your way.
King of Aces
Banned
After losing the 2008 French open Roger Federer ran off the court like belichek did.
It was pretty funny.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Tanner had a faster serve than Borg. Borg had a faster serve than McEnroe. McEnroe had a lefty serve which annoyed righties. What part of that do you not understand.
Just as I thought, you've never seen Borg play either live in person nor even live on TV.
King of Aces
Banned
LOL . Man I love you ! With friends like you Fes does not need enemies!
Yet another great point . I'm not going to argue with you. Keep up the good work!
Tennis_Wiz
New User
Because he definitly does have Way more Talent than Nadal!
JeMar
Legend
You didn't see that match, did you?
Federer didn't run off the court like you claim, that's why your other idiotic thread got deleted. You read an article or survery or whatever the hell it was and saw that they compared the Federer's incident with Martina Hingis', so you automatically thought they were similar.
What really happened was that after the match, after the trophy ceremony, after all the hoopla of honoring Nadal for the win he deserved, Federer waked away from an interview for NBC with Bud Collins backstage, after all his other obligations were done! Give it a rest, you don't know anything.
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King of Aces
Banned
Tanner had a faster serve than Borg. Borg had a faster serve than McEnroe. McEnroe had a lefty serve which annoyed righties. What part of that do you not understand.
Just as I thought, you've never seen Borg play either live in person nor even live on TV.
Oh I understand.... I just think you are funny.
Again if you want to say Borg had a better serve than Mcenroe and Tanner then be my guest.
You got amy more pearls of wisdom.... This is great stuff .
King of Aces
Banned
It got deleted because it's embarriaing to federer.
But no need to argue with me.... Just google it . The truth is all on the net.
People can read it for themselves.
JeMar
Legend
No, it got deleted because it's slanderous and moronic.
http://www.chinadaily.net/sports/2008-06/09/content_6746737.htm
There's a story about the final. There is no mention of Federer running away after the match because it never happened.
King of Aces
Banned
Ok ..... Federer did not walk off the court at the 08 French open, he is more talented than Nadal, Borg had a better serve than Mcenroe and Tanner and Roger Federer is the greatest pmyer the world has ever seen ....far better than Nadal.
I can't take it anymore ..... But far more importantly my iPhone is running out of power.
I really don't mean to rub your faces in it anymore. I am sorry .
Federer truly is talented and a great champion .
Cheer up.
JeMar
Legend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b176_63Cp_8&feature=related
Yes, it's all there on the internet, waiting for you to find it.
When exactly did you start following tennis? AO 2009?
Back in one second, updating sig.
And haha, you can't rub something false in anyone's faces. There's much bigger things for you to be sorry for than that.
Yes, it's all there on the internet, waiting for you to find it.
When exactly did you start following tennis? AO 2009?
Back in one second, updating sig.
And haha, you can't rub something false in anyone's faces. There's much bigger things for you to be sorry for than that.
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THERAFA
Banned
Even if people do believe Federer is more talented, it doesn't help his reputation; it never helped Agassi's reputation when it was always said he had more talent than Sampras, he was still considered a level down in history compared to Sampras (and that was despite Agassi winning the Career:
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THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
1. I've never heard or read any serious tennis mind clam Agassi was more talented than Sampras. It would be the height of comedy if it were not so foolish a claim. Ability wise, take away Agassi's return of serve--and he drops a few more rungs on history's ladder. Sampras clearly had more weapons/gifts.
2. Agassi's "career GS" is hardly impressive. For one--he pissed away the 1st half of his career, and that "career GS" was so spaced out that it is is hardly worth mentioning. It is not as though he achieved that over a straight 2 year period, where one could argue regarding his skills.
That said, Federer's records and abilities remain the best of his generation. Until Nadal can win a number of back-to-back slams at more than the French, he's not on Federer's level (the latter able to easily run off a number of consecutive titles at Wimbledon and the U.S. Open).
THERAFA
Banned
Rafa is above Federer if he wins the Calendar Year Grand Slam this year;
as for Agassi v Sampras I don't think there is any doubt Agassi has a better backhand, forehand and return of serve, plus the unheard of ability to take every ball on the rise, there is more talent in Agassi than there was in Sampras:
Without
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as for Agassi v Sampras I don't think there is any doubt Agassi has a better backhand, forehand and return of serve, plus the unheard of ability to take every ball on the rise, there is more talent in Agassi than there was in Sampras:
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BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Did you not read all the posts here right after the AO in which tons of former Fed-haters all said they are now converted Fed fans after seeing him show his emotions and cry at the AO awards ceremony? Where have you been?
THERAFA
Banned
Fed-hate is at an all-time high, just look at the many journalists and former players now taking back their views of Federer being the GOAT, everything is turning on:
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BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Yes, because I was actually there and saw them serve with my own eyes. Unlike you who only read about it from some journalist.
And, NO, I never claimed that Borg had a "better serve" than Tanner or McEnroe. I said "Borg had one of the best serves in his era...". Why don't you learn to read? You may not realize this but back in the '70's, Borg, McEnroe, and Tanner were not the only 3 players on the pro tour.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
And what does that have to do with "hate"?
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