TimeToPlaySets
Legend
Never understood why people post stuff like this. If I'm trolling, what are you taking the bait? Wouldn't it be smarter to ignore?
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Why do people use 93 instead of 100 ?
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SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
This is about as dumb as asking why the sky is blue for proof that it is blue.
"The sky is blue"
"Are you sure? Why is it blue?"
"Buddy, have you looked out the window?"
"wHy ThOuGh?.!ß"
While it may be interesting to ask why smaller heads and denser stringbeds have more control, the starting point is that they do.
Don't be a skeptic for the sake of it (or trolling)
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
It's about the feel. 93 and 95 heads have a great sense of precision and it's a pleasure to test your skill using one. 96 to 98 is pretty good too. There is nothing wrong with 100 heads or even a 105, 107 and up to 110. It's what you get used to. Currently I'm quite happy using are 98 and see no need to change.
dsb
Rookie
If you dropped said bowling ball in the exact center, the ball would bounce straight up. But, if you missed the center the ball would bounce at an angle, and the direction of the angle would change depending on which direction you missed the center. In the case of a tennis racquet, the more string bed deflection, the greater this 'off angle' is (this is physics, not my opinion). Now, assuming that you cannot create the situation where you strike the ball x millimeters from the center in a specific direction, you cannot possibly compensate beforehand to take advantage of the altered trajectory of the struck ball. It's just a mishit. The more string bed delection, and the greater distance the impact is from the center, the worse result from the mishit.
It does. The reaction to the ball is a standing wave pattern on the strings with the frame as the boundary condition. A larger area produces more trampoline effect (more amplitude of vibration) in some parts and this can lead to effects like different launch angle and lack of precision in directionality.
TennisHound
Legend
Most pros have an extra sweet spot built in to their racquet. The factory pro rooms build pros’ racquets in such a way that they play and feel larger, while still swinging smaller.
I did like your question, but then you kept deliberately missing the point in response to the good answers you were given? Presumably deliberately.
TimeToPlaySets
Legend
Thanks for the example about off center hits.
If off center, the return angle changes.
The more deflection, the more the angle magnifies the placement.
But that is a distance effect, right?
Bigger deflection means greater distance deviation.
So i think I see why this means less control.
People should qualify this with less control of off center hits
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TennisHound
Legend
Also because of the racquet’s power points and extra stability fibers (depending on where the pro stock room placed them when they made the frame) also aid in evening out power and stability on pro stocks.
shamaho
Professional
Look I see your point, and I won't give you any science behind that because I don't know it...
What I do know is having played with 93, and 100 and 107 - I know it feels and behaves, at least for me.
There's no point in getting answer to your question into a provable equation, that equation means nothing on-court to produce the win ;-)
I would say though that is consensual that generally and all other things being equal - larger heads have more Power, if you have more power then inherently you have less control both directionally and depthwise...
fuzz nation
G.O.A.T.
The trouble with the trampoline analogy is that it only addresses the "rebound energy" when the ball hits the string bed (or trampoline) with an orientation that is perpendicular to the flight path of the ball. This can explain how a larger string bed or larger trampoline might have more liveliness, power, rebound energy, etc. compared with a smaller one. But there's usually more going on when we hit a tennis ball than when a bowling ball is dropped straight down onto the center of a level trampoline.
When we swing a racquet at a ball, we often don't swing straight through the flight path of the ball with a "flat" racquet face. To make spin, we hit the ball with the combo of an angled racquet face and a swing path that runs in a different direction than the flight of the incoming ball - let's say when we swing "low-to-high" to generate topspin on a forehand.
This is the situation where angular string bed deflection makes the intended shot less predictable the more the string bed deflects (bends, moves, stretches, etc.) So a smaller string bed or a smaller trampoline should likely have a more consistent rebound angle if the incoming ball hits it at an angle instead of making perpendicular contact. Sorry if my lingo offends any physics heavies, trigonometry was where I started getting lost.
So what's the trade-off? When we "tilt" the face of a larger racquet as when we try to hit with spin, there's still a significant amount of cross section of the string bed exposed to the ball. Not so much the case when a smaller racquet face is tilted - its string bed has a much smaller cross section and mis-hits become easier the more we swing "across the ball" to generate spin with that smaller racquet face.
Other things contribute to mis-hits, too. If the beam width of the hoop of a racquet is especially wide, that can be trouble. I had a Yonex RQiS 1 Tour, which was a 95" frame, but its hoop had a beam width of maybe 24-25mm and I'd shank the ball a lot more with that racquet compared with my 90"-92" mids. Some old-school frames have really narrow beams, so the edges of the hoop don't protrude so much when we swing those at an angle.
More on this story as it develops...
SteveI
Legend
For sure... must have a government desk job. Lots of free time to post this BS!!
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
No because there is enough variability in the elasticity of the strings that a) the amount of deflection will vary each time and b) the energy put back into the ball will vary each time, leading to different control.
Again going back to the "iron byron" testing in golf where a robot swings the club the exact same way every time and hits the sweet spot every time. The balls do not land in the same spot and have a variability due to the nature of the materials in the club face. A thinner face club will accentuate the variance.
Clearly you need to go back and study variance in scientific measurements. Two measurement are rarely the same in most testing situations as all test conditions suffer from varying degrees of variance.
SteveI
Legend
Big Old Stupid Head...LOL
time_fly
Hall of Fame
Almost every hit is off-center in the real world. Ever watch slow motion videos of the top pros? You can see their racquets wobbling at impact on almost every one because the contact is just a bit above or below the center line of the racquet. If that’s happening to them, you can be sure its happening worse to us scrubs.
BAAllen
New User
I've recently moved to the 93p full-time. I've found for me I hit a cleaner ball with the smaller head. With a 100 sq in. frame I noticed that on volleys and dig shots the larger frame often got in the way and caused me to hit the ball "less cleanly", meaning I often didn't hit the ball in the center of the string bed. With the smaller head I feel that I don't have the same issue. Don't get me wrong I still frame balls, but I feel that the balls I do hit are better struck. Who knows, it could all be a placebo. However, I do like the way the smaller head swings.
Christian Olsson
Professional
Personal preference. I use a 98 sq inch 16/19 Volkl and when I went from my 95 sq inch 18/20 radical tour I lost some feel as to where I hit in the sweetspot that was waaaay bigger than the 95. As of now I would struggle a bit going back to that head racquet but the prestige pro 95 16/19 would work just fine. Try out lots of sizes and string patterns, open your mind and don’t do what you’re told to by others.
If I could pick, I would want the exact same racquet as I’ve got but maaaaybe as a 96 sq inch. Another thing is that I like thinner beams for some reason. I like feedback from my racquets.
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If I could pick, I would want the exact same racquet as I’ve got but maaaaybe as a 96 sq inch. Another thing is that I like thinner beams for some reason. I like feedback from my racquets.
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BlueB
Legend
They think there's extra cool points, on these boards, for users of Mid size frames.
Also, they are legends in their own minds.
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haqq777
Legend
TennisHound
Legend
Haha, I’m still crackin up lolOn a roll here!
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Maybe for those using Vintage PS85's. I think those using the more modern 93's just kind of gravitate to that specific feel. I don't think too many are lording this over other players using Pure Drives and Pure Aeros. I do tend to snigger at the PD/PA group wearing elbow braces, but I don't denigrate them for it.
BAAllen
New User
I've tried so many frames trying to find the perfect match - Mids, 100s, extended, stiff, soft, open patterns, closed patterns, light, heavy. All I know is that I am a hack at best and the 93-95 inch head with a fairly open pattern feels the best to me. It doesn't change my game, I'm still terrible, but at least the racquet feels right in my hand as I miss.
mad dog1
G.O.A.T.
You can make this statement but you had better show the proof and results from lab research to back it up!
Please remember that this is the same person who accused professional stringers of lying when they posted they string racquets in under 20 mins simply because he himself was not able to string a racquet in under 2 hours. Therefore he concluded that anyone who claimed to be able to string a racquet in under 2 hours was a liar.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
I'm terrible too but the odd time i do hit a purely struck FH it feels so much better with a mid. Just like a purely struck 5 iron with a muscle back blade. Those are the shots that keep you coming back. I find the vagueness of Tweener and OS's disconnects me from the ball and I don't get those wow moments.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
As someone stated, its machismo.
When I strut onto the tennis court and pull out my P93,its instant stares from the ladies. I used to pull out a sissy-100 tweener and get laughed at, but now I just get showered with phone numbers from star stuck cougars.
This is clearly a rough and tumble manly game, and the only way too play it is with a man’s frame - that means midsize or less or go home.
It’s pretty much common knowledge that Fed never actually switched to a 97 and it’s simply a PJ crafted by Peter Fig to give the illusion that he did. This allows any common wuss to think he is playing with “Fed’s racquet”.
If anything, Federer sized down. But Ron Yu and the Tennis Elite will never tell you that because it’s a super secret that only the manliest of men (Breakpoint) will know.
When I strut onto the tennis court and pull out my P93,its instant stares from the ladies. I used to pull out a sissy-100 tweener and get laughed at, but now I just get showered with phone numbers from star stuck cougars.
This is clearly a rough and tumble manly game, and the only way too play it is with a man’s frame - that means midsize or less or go home.
It’s pretty much common knowledge that Fed never actually switched to a 97 and it’s simply a PJ crafted by Peter Fig to give the illusion that he did. This allows any common wuss to think he is playing with “Fed’s racquet”.
If anything, Federer sized down. But Ron Yu and the Tennis Elite will never tell you that because it’s a super secret that only the manliest of men (Breakpoint) will know.
haqq777
Legend
fuzz nation
G.O.A.T.
But I'd say that feel is probably a lot more important for each of us than we often think it is. The physics don't matter much when we can't tell the difference between the feel of hitting the ball right or hitting it wrong. For each of us, that "right" feel is a little different and I think we all establish our personal normal early on.
I was learning with wood frames as a kid and then switched into 85" graphite racquets in the middle of high school. Although I like a couple of 98" models that I keep in my bag now, these also have a bit of old-school personality in terms of their combo of extra weight and moderate flex that is probably more normal or familiar for me compared with the feel I get from a stiff alternative weighing no more than 11.5 oz.
While I respect that a lot of younger players enjoy their Babolats strung with maybe a poly hybrid - their personal normal - I've sampled them here and there and just can't relate.
haqq777
Legend
Addxyz
Hall of Fame
The size of your racquet head is inversely proportional to the size of your wang. #truth
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flanker2000fr
Hall of Fame
I was wondering why the ladies at the club were throwing their nickers at me last year, but now I know: I too was playing with the Prince 93P. Had three of them, for good measure.
Sadly, I only get disdainful stares from them these days, having moved to the girly stick that is the PP100P.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Yep, still rocking my Maxplys
SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
Well in that case I’m swinging that Prince God racquet.
mikeeeee
Professional
The largest frame I own is the DR98. 100" head size just feels wacky to me and you gain a lot of free power which isn't a good thing for my game.
I used the Graphene Rev Pro all of last year and just recently decided to move (my arm thanks me) to the Youtek IG Prestige Mid (both 93"). They just feel better to me. I'll try using larger head sizes like the Vcore Tour 97 or previously mentioned DR98 but the 93's are just super control oriented and The ball goes where you want at the pace you want.
Also, I'm not even that good of a player (3.5 on my best days). Never played in high school, college or competitively at all but I still made my way to a small head size.
I used the Graphene Rev Pro all of last year and just recently decided to move (my arm thanks me) to the Youtek IG Prestige Mid (both 93"). They just feel better to me. I'll try using larger head sizes like the Vcore Tour 97 or previously mentioned DR98 but the 93's are just super control oriented and The ball goes where you want at the pace you want.
Also, I'm not even that good of a player (3.5 on my best days). Never played in high school, college or competitively at all but I still made my way to a small head size.
BlueB
Legend
The real size of the Prestige Mid molds before the Graphene was about 89 sqin.
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donnayblack99
Semi-Pro
If you put a 93 over a 100 inch frame there differences are very slight. Further you gain maneuverability and precision. I love the 93 for my one handed backhand and for volleying.
TennisHound
Legend
Thats it in a nutshell.
mikeeeee
Professional
idk what that has to do with anything but thanks for the info!
haqq777
Legend
Winners or Errors
Legend
FEEL
Shroud
G.O.A.T.
Its the less bounce. Remember you have to get the ball IN. If the bounce is too much the ball goes out. In the analogy of the trampoline imagine that there was a ceiling and if the ball bounce too high it would hit the ceiling? Which trampoline are you going to pick to not hit the ceiling?
this explains it
Addxyz
Hall of Fame
Lol.. everything I said but without numbers.
OldschoolKIaus
Hall of Fame
Let's hope Wilson's sales rep aren't reading this ... otherwise: Wilson Super Clash.
