Why do so many of you expect peak Fedal to still be challenging Djokovic in 2016?

[Sartorius]

I am not exaggerating at all. Djokovic was going to topple Nadal at the French Open, apparently. I suppose you can say that he did in 2015, but certainly not from 2012-2014. Nadal beat Djokovic in the 2013 US Open final also. And remember that all this came after 2011, when Nadal was getting beaten by Djokovic repeatedly.

It's funny how Nadal fans can use Djokovic's 2011 run to overpraise Nadal's wins against him after - almost like you are using the "Nadal will never ever beat Djokovic again" saying here, which any sane tennis fan at the time (and even today, I'd argue) would rightly deem as trolling. Not that the wins weren't great, and I perfectly sympathize when fans sort of romanticize their player's success around a certain narrative (as in, Fed's RG 09 was fantastic because of his losses earlier), everything happens in a context after all. But let's say as an "outsider", while I thought Nadal's performances against Djokovic was very impressive after 2011, there was nothing "surprising" about their matches on clay, especially at RG. If it happened in 2011 though - that would be something. But again, this is my view and I understand a fan can see it differently.

 

[Djokovic2015]

It does not matter what level Of Djokovic shows up . At their peak levels Fed and Rafa thrashed Novak.

The 13-6 h2h at end of 2010 is the truth.

Novak is a better player now no doubt but the h2h would have been 13-7 or 13-8 if their careers aligned

Fed at the age Novak is winning the NCGYS went 1-4 vs Novak, but please keep parroting the declined mantra please.

Fed went 13-6 and then Novak has gone 17-9. The h2h is representative of both sets of players primes over a decade.

also the first 4 matches they played Novak was a teenager and not even top 10 yet. After that Fed went 9-6 in the time Novak was top 10, 60% win rate. Since 11 Fed has never left the top 10 when Novak has been 17-9.

But yes pre-prime Novak going 40% indicates a peak Novak would go 35% lmao trash tier gonna trash

just answer the question!

truthfully if at all possible for you, because the correct answer will reveal how weak and irrational your argument is.

is Murray currently playing the best tennis of his life as represented by his 'results' from 2015 and into this year?

your silly stats based conjecture would definitively say 'yes'. when all informed observers of tennis know its a definite 'NO"!

tell me whats rational about saying "obviously hes better, because its obvious!" as opposed to using stats.
Also I asked you to explain how the competition fell of a cliff b/w USO 10 and AO 11 as obviously that "diff competition" argument is what you keep attempting to use.

Also yes Murray is clearly playing the best tennis of his career on clay court and as a result his over-all metrics rise a ton due to year round threat. He is about where he always was on hards (#2 on Novak) and also 2016 vs 2011/12 being a 4 year gap you can at least take the competition argument into account (esp when 11/12 is probably peak competition). But not to explain how Nadal's stats improved in 5 months vs the same field and was somehow out of his peak