Why Do The Belgians Excel at Flushing Meadows?

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Why Do The Belgian Women Excel at Flushing Meadows?

A Belgian has won 5 of the past 8 US Opens, with at least one Belgian being in 6 of the past 8 finals.

2003 Justine Henin RU: Kim Clijsters
2004 Svetlana Kuznetsova RU: Elena Dementieva
2005 Kim Clijsters RU: Mary Pierce
2006 Maria Sharapova RU: Justine Henin
2007 Justine Henin RU: Svetlana Kuznetsova
2008 Serena Williams RU: Jelena Janković
2009 Kim Clijsters RU: Caroline Wozniacki
2010 Kim Clijsters RU: Vera Zvonareva

Why do Kim and Justine excel at the US Open?

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Mother Marjorie Ann
 
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I think it's just that Kim and Justine are two excellent players who just happen to be Belgian, not necessarily a result of being Belgian itself.
 
They are good hard court players. Hard courts is Kim's best surface by far. Justine is nowhere near as dominant on hard courts as clay but she is still a huge force on hard courts when playing well unlike what she is on grass. Add to that the good fortune of Serena being out with an injury 2 of those 5 years.
 
thalivest said:
Add to that the good fortune of Serena being out with an injury 2 of those 5 years.
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Mother Marjorie's inquiring mind wants to know. Why didn't Serena win in those other three years? Did a Belgian that defeat her? Let's lookie, lookie.

2010 Serena didn't play

2009 US Open SF: Clijsters d. S. Williams 6-4, 7-5

2008 US Open Winner: S. Williams

2007 US Open QF: Henin d. S. Williams 7-6, 6-1

2006: US Open 4th Round: Mauresmo d. S. Williams 6-4. 0-6, 6-2

2005: US Open 4th Round: V. Williams d. S. Williams 7-6, 6-2

2004: Us Open QF: J. Capriati d. S. Williams 2-6, 6-4, 6-4

2003: Serena didn't play
 
MotherMarjorie said:
Mother Marjorie's inquiring mind wants to know. Why didn't Serena win in those other three years? Did a Belgian that defeat her? Let's lookie, lookie.

2010 Serena didn't play

2009 US Open SF: Clijsters d. S. Williams 6-4, 7-5

2008 US Open Winner: S. Williams

2007 US Open QF: Henin d. S. Williams 7-6, 6-1

2006: US Open 4th Round: Mauresmo d. S. Williams 6-4. 0-6, 6-2

2005: US Open 4th Round: V. Williams d. S. Williams 7-6, 6-2

2004: Us Open QF: J. Capriati d. S. Williams 2-6, 6-4, 6-4

2003: Serena didn't play
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Looks to me like aside from 2003, Serena is the one who benefitted from Kim and Justine retiring after 2007.
 
Xavier Malisse

2010 first round exit,

2008 and 2009 first round qualifying tournament exit,

1999-2007, best result 4th round.
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Kristof Vliegen

5 USO opens played. 5 first round losses.
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C. Rochus

Six main draw appearances. Six first round losses.
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O. Rochus

11 main draw appearances. 7 first round losses. Best result 4th round.
 
thalivest said:
They are good hard court players. Hard courts is Kim's best surface by far. Justine is nowhere near as dominant on hard courts as clay but she is still a huge force on hard courts when playing well unlike what she is on grass. Add to that the good fortune of Serena being out with an injury 2 of those 5 years.
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Serena/Venus are not match against Clijsters at the US Open. They have been beaten soundly 3 times by an unretired mother. Even if Serena played this year, she would have been taken out by Wozniacki or Stosur, let alone Kim. Actually, the good fortune of Kim/Henin/Sharapova was out in 2008 to open the door wide open for Serena to win the US Open. Don't be so ridiculous! :mad:
 
MotherMarjorie said:
Mother Marjorie's inquiring mind wants to know. Why didn't Serena win in those other three years? Did a Belgian that defeat her? Let's lookie, lookie.

2010 Serena didn't play

2009 US Open SF: Clijsters d. S. Williams 6-4, 7-5

2008 US Open Winner: S. Williams

2007 US Open QF: Henin d. S. Williams 7-6, 6-1

2006: US Open 4th Round: Mauresmo d. S. Williams 6-4. 0-6, 6-2

2005: US Open 4th Round: V. Williams d. S. Williams 7-6, 6-2

2004: Us Open QF: J. Capriati d. S. Williams 2-6, 6-4, 6-4

2003: Serena didn't play
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2008 Serena was lucky to win the USO. Beaten Safina & Jankovic isn't much to brag about. Clijster, Wozniacki or Stosur would have a field day with that kind of weak draw. Even Vera could have won the title that year.
 
Yes Wozniacki would have a field day with Jankovic and even Safina. Which is why she was destroyed by Jankovic in the Miami final this year, LOL! In fact she has never beaten either Jankovic or Safina, and her first win over an active former #1 was her win over a washed up Sharapova at this years U.S Open before getting schooled by Vera. And Stosur would have a field day with them when she couldnt even beat Schiavone in a slam final on her best surface. And Stosur would be a threat to Serena on fast hard courts when she has never beaten her on any surface but clay, got only 6 games off Serena in Australia, and barely beat Serena even during the tournament of her life to date on CLAY.

As usual your posts are coated with logic and reason. :lol:
 
thalivest said:
They are good hard court players. Hard courts is Kim's best surface by far. Justine is nowhere near as dominant on hard courts as clay but she is still a huge force on hard courts when playing well unlike what she is on grass. Add to that the good fortune of Serena being out with an injury 2 of those 5 years.
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You seem obsessed with convincing everyone here (in multiple threads) that Justine sucks on grass. OK, she was not convincing this year, but can you name another player after Serena and Venus who has been as consistent on it over the years? For one, there are very few tourneys played on grass, but she made 2 Wimbledon finals, 3 other semis, won Eastbourne twice in a row and other events as well.

Maybe you believe she will never win Wimbledon. Then just say so. But acquaint yourself with her history on grass, and put it in perspective.
 
I never said Justine always sucks on grass. This year, the first look of the "new Justine" on grass she sure did though. The last 2 sets of her match with Kim at Wimbledon this year it looked like a junior player playing a women, and Kim's worst surface is grass too. She was so badly overpowered it is amazing she even got 5 games.

Now as for what she was in her prime on grass yes back then she was a very good grass courter. However even then she was not a Champion caliber grass courter, hence her failure to win a Wimbledon title and being clearly outclassed in both her finals despite both going 3 sets. 5 women of her era are Wimbledon Champions, and she is not one of them. So obviously it makes sense to distinguish between the major force she is in hard courts where despite not coming close to her clay dominance has won 3 slams and 2 WTA Championships, to what she is on grass which is one of the challengers who has never won big. Nothing complicated about that.
 
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thalivest said:
Yes Wozniacki would have a field day with Jankovic and even Safina. Which is why she was destroyed by Jankovic in the Miami final this year, LOL! In fact she has never beaten either Jankovic or Safina, and her first win over an active former #1 was her win over a washed up Sharapova at this years U.S Open before getting schooled by Vera. And Stosur would have a field day with them when she couldnt even beat Schiavone in a slam final on her best surface. And Stosur would be a threat to Serena on fast hard courts when she has never beaten her on any surface but clay, got only 6 games off Serena in Australia, and barely beat Serena even during the tournament of her life to date on CLAY.

As usual your posts are coated with logic and reason. :lol:
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..and a truckload of blind hatred. But we also know she's just bitter thanks to her prediction of the hack Wozniacki winning the US Open blowing up in her face (as usual). Yeah, who is threatened by Wozniacki? Pure comedy!

Regarding the OP: random chance. A better question would focus on why the Belgians never excelled at Wimbledon?
 
roysid said:
Justine's best is Roland Garros. But she's good at USO too. Kim's best is USO
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Seems to Mother Marjorie that this generation of American players sort of dropped the ball when it came to puttiing forth more effort at the US Open. I mean, past American champions have had much better results at the US Open than this generation of American players.

All said and done, the Belgian Queens results at the US Open have equalled or surpassed that of the Americans.

Sunshine On Her Lips,

Mother Marjorie Ann
 
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That might be somewhat true...for the women tennis, which are only by 2 ladies (Clijsters & Henin). Any other Belgian ladies??

Meanwhile, when was the last male Belgian who won an USO title?

Hum...so therefore, the OP's theory of "Why Do The Belgians Excel at Flushing Meadows?" is a total missed representation.
 
TMF said:
Serena/Venus are not match against Clijsters at the US Open. They have been beaten soundly 3 times by an unretired mother. Even if Serena played this year, she would have been taken out by Wozniacki or Stosur, let alone Kim. Actually, the good fortune of Kim/Henin/Sharapova was out in 2008 to open the door wide open for Serena to win the US Open. Don't be so ridiculous! :mad:
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I agree. Serena is a fat hog who is so lucky to win so many slams while her main rivals were out of commision, retired, or hurt.
 
Clijsters and Henin are the second and third best hard court players of their generation after Serena so it's no surprise that they have both done so well at Flushing Meadows.
 
MotherMarjorie said:
A Belgian has won 5 of the past 8 US Opens, with at least one Belgian being in 6 of the past 8 finals.

2003 Justine Henin RU: Kim Clijsters
2004 Svetlana Kuznetsova RU: Elena Dementieva
2005 Kim Clijsters RU: Mary Pierce
2006 Maria Sharapova RU: Justine Henin
2007 Justine Henin RU: Svetlana Kuznetsova
2008 Serena Williams RU: Jelena Janković
2009 Kim Clijsters RU: Caroline Wozniacki
2010 Kim Clijsters RU: Vera Zvonareva

Why do Kim and Justine excel at the US Open?

Clear To Partly Cloudy,

Mother Marjorie Ann
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The_Question said:
That might be somewhat true...for the women tennis, which are only by 2 ladies (Clijsters & Henin). Any other Belgian ladies??

Meanwhile, when was the last male Belgian who won an USO title?

Hum...so therefore, the OP's theory of "Why Do The Belgians Excel at Flushing Meadows?" is a total missed representation.
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Mother Marjorie is perplexed how your reading comprehension problems has somehow morphed into Mother Marjorie's misrepresentation (note: "missed representation" is not proper phrasing, you should have typed "misrepresentation").

Mother Marjorie was very specific in her lead posted article (provided above)that referenced The Queens of Belgium, otherwise known as Justine Henin and Kim Clijsters.

Moral of the story: If you are going to attempt to nitpick Mother Marjorie, while being intellectually dishonest, DO NOT throw bad grammar at her. Mother Marjorie will call you out on it, oh, yes she will. The Question is, where did you get your education?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbLs80cuots&feature=related

With Love and Honesty That Only A Mother Can Give,

Mother Marjorie Ann
 
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why why why said:
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We, Flanders. We, Kim and Yanina.:p
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roysid said:
Justine's best is Roland Garros. But she's good at USO too. Kim's best is USO
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Walloon tendency to gravitate toward France and all things French.

Tshooter said:
Xavier Malisse...
Kristof Vliegen...
C. Rochus....
O. Rochus
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Great call.

I think the name Flushing Meadows reminds them of a particularly muddy cyclocross race, and that makes the Belgians feel at home.
 
TMF said:
2008 Serena was lucky to win the USO. Beaten Safina & Jankovic isn't much to brag about. Clijster, Wozniacki or Stosur would have a field day with that kind of weak draw. Even Vera could have won the title that year.
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LMFAO. Clijsters yes but Wozniacki or Stosur. Oh stuff that somewhere. Stosur being in the top 10 has to be one of the weirdest things to happen. We are talking to a women who choked away a final against Francesca Schiavone in the French Open and she was there in 2008 losing in the 1st round to Venus Williams. Wozniacki would never win a major even with that joke of a draw. She was fortuante to be the finalist last year and fun fact Wozniacki has what one win against a top 10 player in her whole major career history? She had a gift this year to the finals again and blew it. The finals was played in the semis Venus vs. Clijsters. Clijsters could have won 2008 US Open.


Also in 2003 no doubt would Serena have taken that one not to be mean to either of the Belgians but she was undefeated on hardcourts that year. This year it might not be certain but Clijsters game suits the hardcourts at the US Open very well, eventually hopefully she can convert it to another surface soon.

I'm still laughing at Wozniacki having been able to win a major with any draw. When she can beat two top 10 players in the same tournament then we shall talk.
 
MotherMarjorie said:
DO NOT throw bad grammer at her. Mother Marjorie will call you out on it, oh, yes she will. The Question is, where did you get your education?
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Where did you received your education?? And others will call you out on it too...LMFAO!!!

***PS, nice try with the EDIT function to cover your mistake...HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
 
egn said:
Wozniacki would never win a major even with that joke of a draw. She was fortuante to be the finalist last year and fun fact Wozniacki has what one win against a top 10 player in her whole major career history? She had a gift this year to the finals again and blew it. The finals was played in the semis Venus vs. Clijsters.
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Agreed, but the member you were responding to hates Serena to a dangerous degree, so she posts easily debunked crap week after week--much like she repeatedly claimed Wozniacki would win this year's USO, when CW has not displayed this alleged ability to beat the best players this year....and Sharapova was no top player.

I'm still laughing at Wozniacki having been able to win a major with any draw. When she can beat two top 10 players in the same tournament then we shall talk.
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She will ignore your post (the usual act when exposed), because it destroys the fantasy she has rattling around her skull about Wozniacki being some "force" in tennis...as much as that is a joke in poor taste.
 
Doesn't Clijsters (and her extended family) live in New Jersey? That would make her (them) American, not Belgian.

I don't think she'll be converting that 1.2 million US dollars into Euros anytime soon either.

As far as I'm concerned, an American won the final, not a Belgian.
 
tennytive said:
Doesn't Clijsters (and her extended family) live in New Jersey? That would make her (them) American, not Belgian.

I don't think she'll be converting that 1.2 million US dollars into Euros anytime soon either.

As far as I'm concerned, an American won the final, not a Belgian.
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Kim Clijsters and her American husband have a home in New Jersey, however, she is still Belgian, and would play for the Belgium Fed Cup team.

While Mother Marjorie is sure that the US would love to have Kim here (we have aging champions), we can't claim her.

Sunshine On Her Serve,

Mother Marjorie Ann
 
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MotherMarjorie said:
Mother Marjorie thinks we've heard this broken record before. Over, and over, and over....
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...thanks to the same "recording artist" reissuing the same hate-filled, anti-Williams BS over and over again, no matter the thread topic, which leads us to....

Let's try to stay on-topic
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...then you should direct that to the member who introduced off-topic Wozniacki and Stosur in this thread--both (a reference to V & SW) having nothing to do with the OP.

Get it straight, Norma.
 
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