Why do you think Murray didn't make the jump in sucess the top-3 did?

[DSH]

Bad forehand.
Bad second service.
Bad attitude when he was in difficult situations.
Instead of playing aggressive, like he did in the previous rounds, he played passively in various of his finals of GS against Djokovic and Federer.

 

[BlueB]

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[Mainad]

Seems like you are wrong if I read many comments made about Murray ^^

Well, not all comments made about Murray are accurate. Lendl thought he was talented enough to want to coach him twice in his career. I don't think he was disappointed.

 

[ibbi]

Because he's not as good as them? I mean he made huge jumps first physically, and then later mentally but while his level of consistency far outweighs everyone else on the tour, it still never got quite to where they were.

 

[Thetouch]

Well, not all comments made about Murray are accurate. Lendl thought he was talented enough to want to coach him twice in his career. I don't think he was disappointed.

You probably misunderstood my comment. I didn't say he didn't have any talent, I said Murray was like Lendl without Lendl's talent. Despite what media or fans will tell you, Lendl did have great natural talent already. Lendl had a huge serve, a great back and forehend, he was in great shape, improved his power and especially his mental strength once he got on top. So the question is, how much of Lendl's abilities can you see in Murray? Lendl might have coached Murray because he saw something in him that reminded him of himself, but he left Andy quick as well.

 

[beast of mallorca]

Injuries.

 

[Mainad]

You probably misunderstood my comment. I didn't say he didn't have any talent, I said Murray was like Lendl without Lendl's talent. Despite what media or fans will tell you, Lendl did have great natural talent already. Lendl had a huge serve, a great back and forehend, he was in great shape, improved his power and especially his mental strength once he got on top. So the question is, how much of Lendl's abilities can you see in Murray? Lendl might have coached Murray because he saw something in him that reminded him of himself, but he left Andy quick as well.

I think Andy is as good a returner as Lendl was and also had a powerful first serve. He also matched him in speed and fitness until he got injured. Where he was clearly inferior was in the 2nd serve which let him down on too many occasions and in mental toughness (often too easily distracted at crucial moments). I also think Murray suffered from having to compete against not just 1 or even 2 but no less than the 3 greatest players of all time (all of them with double digit Slams) which is unprecedented in the history of the game.

 

[Thetouch]

I also think Murray suffered from having to compete against not just 1 or even 2 but no less than the 3 greatest players of all time (all of them with double digit Slams) which is unprecedented in the history of the game.

Except that Djokovic and Nadal are the same age he is, so none of them were in the double digit range when they all started, not even Federer. They all just passed by throughout the years.

 

[clout]

His FH wasn't as lethal, his serve can be a bit inconsistent, he got passive a bit too much in big matches and overall, he wasn't as gifted of a natural athlete or tennis player as Fedalovic are. Despite that, he's still had a great career and I personally think purely looking at his 3-slam count doesn't do his career justice.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

I think Andy is as good a returner as Lendl was and also had a powerful first serve. He also matched him in speed and fitness until he got injured. Where he was clearly inferior was in the 2nd serve which let him down on too many occasions and in mental toughness (often too easily distracted at crucial moments). I also think Murray suffered from having to compete against not just 1 or even 2 but no less than the 3 greatest players of all time (all of them with double digit Slams) which is unprecedented in the history of the game.

I would contend the biggest difference was offensive capabilities. Lendl was a decent server, but his main weapon was certainly groundstroke quality, and he struck a great balance between attack and defence, like Djokovic does now. Murray has typically struggled to generate his own pace - Lendl never had a problem with that. On pure serve+return the two may be in the same ballpark, Murray better in sheer defence, better slice and touch, but Lendl's ability to inject attacking pace overwhelms all of this except on grass. That really means the world, quite amazing the career Murray managed to carve for himself without a single ATG attacking weapon, operating mostly by defence and grit and touch.

 

[duaneeo]

Djokovic beat defending champion Federer at 2008 Australian Open.
Nadal beat defending champion Federer at 2008 Wimbledon.
Perhaps things would be different had Murray beat defending champion Federer at 2008 USO.

 

[KINGROGER]

Crap loopy FH and too defensive, not as good in general

Should’ve took an AO and another USO.

 

[SumYungGai]

Well the injuries really messed it up for him, but he was in 11 grand slam finals and #1 for a time. Not too shabby if you ask me. Just too bad he ran into Djok/Fed practically every time.

 

[Gary Duane]

Lendl is Murray playing in Big 3 less era.



Primarily an underpowered forehand and a weaker 2nd serve. People talk the most about his 2nd serve but I think the forehand was actually a bigger issue. There's also a movement issue that he didn't slide on HC so while he was faster than Djokovic, he defended less efficiently.

You can't blame the forehand too much when the man was beast returning year after year. It was not just his 2nd serve. Check 1st serve points. His serve was just awful for a many his height. Murray with a service game near the top, like the Big 3, would be an undisputed ATG.

 

[Red Rick]

You can't blame the forehand too much when the man was beast returning year after year. It was not just his 2nd serve. Check 1st serve points. His serve was just awful for a many his height. Murray with a service game near the top, like the Big 3, would be an undisputed ATG.

Murray's height is overstated. He's basically as tall as Djokovic.

And I agree his first serve isn't great. He serves 130+ cause he's a strong dude, not because of great technique imo. If you see his body angles at contact he's very hunched over.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

The only one reason, lack of stunning ballstriking and killer shot

 

[Tenez101]

Murray is like Lendl without Lendl's talent

Lendl had a killer shot, Muzz doesn’t. He’s kind of like Mecir but way less beautiful.

 

[Mr.Lob]

Murray didn't make the jump because the big 3 were still alive and kicking. Bad luck as there was that period where he was playing well, Fed and Nadal were down, could of had a really good year....then got injured.

 

[Mark-Touch]

There was a time where Murray was expected to have much more success than Novak, but Novak has since surpassed him, and Murray's chase of the top-3 was halted. Murray by his own right is an imperious player, but it's just sad to see that he would reach double figures as I hoped he would.

Where's the poll?
Short answer.
Lack of talent.

 

[SumYungGai]

(whoops, wrong thread)

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

Simply not as good as them. His whiny attitude and mental weakness did not help either.

 

[triple_9]

If you watched Murray play in person you would have noticed that his FH is actually quite good.
It's one of the stupidest general opinions that Murray has a weak FH.
His 2nd serve however...