Why does everyone say Murray is retiring?

citybert

Hall of Fame
In his presser he left the door open for so much. He said he could get another operation, he said he hopes he will be back(after RBA match) m, he said he wants to play more etc. He left a ton of hedges.

I know it sounds like he has trouble just walking let alone playing tennis but it sounds like he could still be playing this time next year. I interpreted his message as hes going to do everything to try not to retire, remember Rafa has said this probably since 2012 he just didn't cry.
 
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r2473

G.O.A.T.
In his presser he left the door open for so much. He said he could get another operation, he said he hopes he will be back(after RBA match) m, he said he wants to play more etc. He left a ton of hedges.

I know it sounds like he has trouble just walking let alone playing tennis but it sounds like he could still be playing this time next year.
His hip is fully retired. It's just taking a bit longer for the rest of his body and his mind (which are ready to play) to get the message.
 

Max G.

Legend
i don't understand why Murray told anyone, he could have kept it secret until after he was 100% gone:)
Because keeping secrets is hard, especially when a big part of your job is answering questions for reporters. Normal people don't like to lie, and I'm 100% sure that he gets a million questions about how his hip was feeling after each match he plays, so the truth of how he feels about his him and his future was bound to come out.
 

SoaD

New User
People have been discussing Nadal’s knees for years, this Murray hip injury is far more serious. He is only 31 but basically needs a hip replacement, which you really don’t want to have until you are 60 since they are only meant to last 20 years. He can’t even do daily tasks without feeling pain from all the cartilage being grinded away.

Let this be a lesson to us all to listen to our bodies rather than ignore aches and pains. Murray played through his pain and it lead him to an injury where there isn’t a real recovery.
 

citybert

Hall of Fame
People have been discussing Nadal’s knees for years, this Murray hip injury is far more serious. He is only 31 but basically needs a hip replacement, which you really don’t want to have until you are 60 since they are only meant to last 20 years. He can’t even do daily tasks without feeling pain from all the cartilage being grinded away.

Let this be a lesson to us all to listen to our bodies rather than ignore aches and pains. Murray played through his pain and it lead him to an injury where there isn’t a real recovery.
I agree on that. it seems like the difference is that Nadal has pain only when he plays and takes ibuprofen like candy and Murray has pain all the time. But if he does play hopefully the new procedure can help him.
 
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MeatTornado

Legend
He said he made a plan to stop playing, and he wants that to be at Wimbledon, if he can even make it that far.

Until his change in attitude at the post-match interview, there was absolutely no reason to think this wasn't his last time in Australia.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
It's obvious he can't play tournaments anymore. He can still play the odd good match or 2 albeit nothing like at his peak level (as we witnessed yesterday) but he can't get through the 5-7 matches required to win titles anymore, not even small ones.

Any talk of further surgery is just to enhance his general quality of life and free him from daily pain and I believe it is something he should probably do for his own good. But as for his tennis, though it breaks my heart to say so,.........he's done!!
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
I thought that video presentation of his peers saying "goodbye" was REALLY awkward right after he said something like “I will do everythign I can to come back next year”.

I think Murray is a really emotional guy and the possibility of ending the career is killing him. And I think he is not being super disciplined about his remarks.

But I don’t blame him. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have that much scrutiny as a major sports figure at a major competition at a time when you have this life changing decision to make about the game you're playing in real time.

In that context – given his penchant for putting his heart on his sleeve and wanting to appeal to his fans – I can see that he’s got a real vulnerability here. So I’m cutting him a lot of slack. …I’m sure that means a lot to him (HA!)

As far as inconsistency of playing so well and then complaining about pain – Actually I totally get why he plays like he plays and why he then says he can’t walk. The adrenaline, the endorphines, the pain killers – they all kick in and do their job in the heat of battle when you’re really committed, but come a few hours later – even 2 days later – there can be massive consequences of pain.

I’m not a pro-athlete but I played varsity level in college for 4 years and I can attest that the body has a way of compensating and doing amazing things you can’t think it can during competition – especially as it goes on – but then it call comes crashing down later.
 
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Raphael Nadal

Professional
Because keeping secrets is hard, especially when a big part of your job is answering questions for reporters. Normal people don't like to lie, and I'm 100% sure that he gets a million questions about how his hip was feeling after each match he plays, so the truth of how he feels about his him and his future was bound to come out.
its not a lie, since he doesn't know when his final match is, he's unable to say for certain:)
if someone asks him about his future, he could say "i don't know", and its the truth.
its very easy to say "i don't know".
 
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tacou

G.O.A.T.
It's obvious he can't play tournaments anymore. He can still play the odd good match or 2 albeit nothing like at his peak level (as we witnessed yesterday) but he can't get through the 5-7 matches required to win titles anymore, not even small ones.

Any talk of further surgery is just to enhance his general quality of life and free him from daily pain and I believe it is something he should probably do for his own good. But as for his tennis, though it breaks my heart to say so,.........he's done!!
I agree with everything you said but the bolded part is the reason for any "confusion" floating around. Murray is currently deciding when to get a hip replacement and is being totally realistic about his chances of being a top 10 tennis player post-hip surgery. Those chances are basically nil, he knows it, and therefore he is wondering if he can put up with the pain for another few months until Wimbledon.

However, if against all odds he is able to return to form, he said he will. So he hasn't announced his retirement, per se, but has announced the fact that retirement is far and away his most likely option.

i think what he did was abnormal, and totally unnecessary.
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its very easy to say "i don't know".
If by "what he did" you are referring to his press conference, he is required to do that by the tournament. At this normally scheduled press conference, he was asked about his hip. He has been asked about his hip for 2 years, and sadly, the stock answer he has given until this point has remained the same: he is in pain, constantly, and nothing has helped. So he decided to give the full answer this time.

I'm not sure what is abnormal or unnecessary about honesty. Even if he came out and officially retired, then changed his mind the following day, who really cares? It's his career, and life, and whatever he feels is best is what he should do.
 
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citybert

Hall of Fame
I think there is a decent chance he will be at the AO next yr or the next.

Also he could probably play dubs with his brother a few times a year
 
i don't understand why Murray told anyone, he could have kept it secret until after he was 100% gone:)
Because he wants his ego stroked and to make the sport all about him

Same reason he has pulled out of events after the draws have been made

He is a generally unlikable and rather scummy person
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
I think Murray has confused the issue. It's not the first time he's been indecisive like pulling out after the USO draw that time.

I think he just feels like if he doesn't play again he wants to let people know beforehand probably give fans a chance to see him bit on the other hand he hasn't made up his mind to retire because it's not his 're soon it's his body dictating it.

He did kind of say he would retired at Wimbledon if he made it but then he's talking about possibly coming back next year. I don't think that will happen but if it did it might be better to either not announce retirement or do it and then if in a year he feels better say he's making an unexpected comeback
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
Because he wants his ego stroked and to make the sport all about him

Same reason he has pulled out of events after the draws have been made

He is a generally unlikable and rather scummy person
I assume you don't know him personally and have had very little real actual encounters with him - if any at all.

IN CONTRAST: The people who know him best - his mom, his brother, his other family, his team, his coaches (who have even come back to work with him repeatedly like Lendl), his peers - actual competitors - even some who've fought for titles against him since he was a boy - all speak very highly of him.

He's not perfect. But you don't get a reputation like that when you're "unlikeable" and "scummy".
 
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accidental

Hall of Fame
The player we remember as Andy Murray the grand slam contender is already gone. He clearly doesn’t want to retire but the situation with his body is making continuing impossible.

If he continues he will be just a shadow of his former self, struggling to hobble through matches
 

BGod

Legend
Becker came back for Wimbledon in 99 after not playing any Slams in 98 or any other in 99. He actually skipped French and USO entirely his last 4 seasons.

So I think Murray could conceivably do that. Get a WC and play Wimbledon in 2021.
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
Becker came back for Wimbledon in 99 after not playing any Slams in 98 or any other in 99. He actually skipped French and USO entirely his last 4 seasons.

So I think Murray could conceivably do that. Get a WC and play Wimbledon in 2021.
I never knew that. How far did he get?
 

citybert

Hall of Fame
How is he unlikable? He won wimbledon and he is probably the number 1 supporter of women's tennis and always supports their voice and influence on the tour.
 
It's obvious he can't play tournaments anymore. He can still play the odd good match or 2 albeit nothing like at his peak level (as we witnessed yesterday) but he can't get through the 5-7 matches required to win titles anymore, not even small ones.

Any talk of further surgery is just to enhance his general quality of life and free him from daily pain and I believe it is something he should probably do for his own good. But as for his tennis, though it breaks my heart to say so,.........he's done!!
Do you think he might take a few months off and then play one last time at Wimbledon (and perhaps Queen's)? I can't see why he'd play any other tournaments until then - not even Indian Wells or Miami - but if he rested up for a while, wouldn't he still be able to play one last event?
 

Badabing888

Hall of Fame
Federer said when he retires he's not going to tell anyone until he's played his last match:)
He got this from Edberg who said it was a mistake that he announced his retirement before he stopped playing. It just put too much pressure on him from everyone each tournament he played after announcing it. So yes Edberg told Roger to just announce after he stops playing.
 

Antonio Puente

Hall of Fame
Who knows how successful he will be, but if he has the surgery, he'll be back.

The surgery might only get his hip to 75%, but from where it was, it might feel like night and day to him.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Do you think he might take a few months off and then play one last time at Wimbledon (and perhaps Queen's)? I can't see why he'd play any other tournaments until then - not even Indian Wells or Miami - but if he rested up for a while, wouldn't he still be able to play one last event?
That's what he's hoping to do if he is able.
 

citybert

Hall of Fame
Andy is great, likable and a great contributor to the sport but I just think he will be playing for longer than people are saying. And if he does that its a plus for everyone. All the farewell stuff people are giving him is everyone else not him. And not sure why it was interpreted that he was retiring, I heard it as hes going to do everything to try not to. And Rafa has said this probably since 2012 he just didn't cry.
 

Druss

Hall of Fame
Who knows how successful he will be, but if he has the surgery, he'll be back.

The surgery might only get his hip to 75%, but from where it was, it might feel like night and day to him.
I think Kuerten had similar issues. Never was the same after the surgeries. Even if Murray came back from another hip surgery, I highly doubt he’d ever be a top 10 or 15 player again.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
After his match against B-Agut, he was asked on Sky or the BBC, I can't remember which one, why he wants to retire if he can still play like that and he said it's too painful to play. He said he'll have to have a surgical procedure, which is very common, but he doesn't know whether to have it now or after Wimbledon. I took that to mean he has to have a hip replacement but he won't be able to play professionally after that so he might put it off till after Wimbledon where, he's said, he would like to say his farewell.
 

TripleATeam

Legend
Someone on TTW started it when Murray made an innocuous comment. Since then it's just ballooned in the media, and Murray's too shy to tell them any differently. He's been forced into retirement, smh.
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
People have been discussing Nadal’s knees for years, this Murray hip injury is far more serious. He is only 31 but basically needs a hip replacement, which you really don’t want to have until you are 60 since they are only meant to last 20 years. He can’t even do daily tasks without feeling pain from all the cartilage being grinded away.

Let this be a lesson to us all to listen to our bodies rather than ignore aches and pains. Murray played through his pain and it lead him to an injury where there isn’t a real recovery.
Underrated post. We aren't pros but everyone needs to look after themselves. Things hurt for a reason.
 

TripleATeam

Legend

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
I never knew that. How far did he get?
Boris Becker got to the Round of 16 at 1999 Wimbledon, having initially said that 1997 Wimbledon would be his last major before he would slowly fade away over the next few years playing minor tournaments. Becker was fortunate to survive his first round match at 1999 Wimbledon against Andy Murray's future coach, Miles Maclagan, as Becker trailed by 2 sets and survived match points in the fourth set. Becker beat an 18-year-old Lleyton Hewitt in the Round of 32, before Patrick Rafter knocked Becker out in the Round of 16.

That evening following his loss to Rafter, Becker started his personal decline over the next few years by impregnating a woman, later publicly denying that he was the father of her daughter, only for a picture to be released of a baby female version of Boris Becker, looking exactly like her father in the face and hair. This also ruined Becker's marriage to Barbara. And then there was Becker's tax affairs, where he later stood trial on charges of spending years in the 1990s claiming residence in Monte Carlo while he was actually living at his sister's place in Munich.
 

BGod

Legend
I never knew that. How far did he get?
Actually did quite well.

Won a 5 set war with a qualifier to start, then beat 18th seed Kiefer and a young Lleyton Hewitt both in straights before losing to Patrick Rafter in straights himself. Rafter went on to lose to Agassi and make back to back Finals in 00-01 so perhaps if Becker had faced say Kuerten or Kucera maybe he goes one step further.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Sorry, I meant to say :-D:-D:-DSomeone on TTW started it :cry::cry::cry:when Murray made an innocuous comment:eek::eek::eek::eek:. Since then it's just ballooned in the mediao_Oo_Oo_O, and Murray's too shy:notworthy::notworthy::notworthy: to tell them any differently. He's been forced into retirement, smh. :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:
That wasn't an innocuous comment. When asked if this could be his last tournament he said, emotionally, there is a chance of that because he's not sure he could play through the pain for the next 4-5 months.

Andy Murray - ‘If this is my last match I want to enjoy it’

Published: 22:58 Sunday 13 January 2019

Murray’s hip surgeon has revealed it will be very difficult for the Briton to continue playing until Wimbledon. An emotional Murray admitted on Friday that his time as a professional is nearly up due to the pain he still suffers, and revealed his hope to bow out at his home grand slam in the summer. But Dr John O’Donnell, who operated on the Scot’s troublesome right hip, said: “I don’t think it is impossible, but it will be very difficult. “He enjoys the Australian Open, and has been very keen to play, but Wimbledon is the high point for him. “Ideally he would want to play there, but I imagine once you make the decision that you are going to stop it must get very difficult to keep going with the rehab, never-ending exercising, and putting up with the pain. “Once you see the end in sight I guess it would be harder to get motivated.”

Read more at: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/tennis/andy-murray-if-this-is-my-last-match-i-want-to-enjoy-it-1-9534889
 

TripleATeam

Legend
That wasn't an innocuous comment. When asked if this could be his last tournament he said, emotionally, there is a chance of that because he's not sure he could play through the pain for the next 4-5 months.

Andy Murray - ‘If this is my last match I want to enjoy it’

Published: 22:58 Sunday 13 January 2019

Murray’s hip surgeon has revealed it will be very difficult for the Briton to continue playing until Wimbledon. An emotional Murray admitted on Friday that his time as a professional is nearly up due to the pain he still suffers, and revealed his hope to bow out at his home grand slam in the summer. But Dr John O’Donnell, who operated on the Scot’s troublesome right hip, said: “I don’t think it is impossible, but it will be very difficult. “He enjoys the Australian Open, and has been very keen to play, but Wimbledon is the high point for him. “Ideally he would want to play there, but I imagine once you make the decision that you are going to stop it must get very difficult to keep going with the rehab, never-ending exercising, and putting up with the pain. “Once you see the end in sight I guess it would be harder to get motivated.”

Read more at: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/tennis/andy-murray-if-this-is-my-last-match-i-want-to-enjoy-it-1-9534889
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