Why does Murray have a lot of haters?
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Emiliano55
Professional
Lol, what has Kim to do here ?
Kim Sears not pretty? Huhhh???
There is a certain subjective degree to assessing another person's attractiveness, but there are some fairly universal objective standards and by those criterion, Murray's girlfriend Kim Sears is unquestionably attractive.
I guess newbies like me can't post photos, but do a google search for "andy murray girlfriend photo" and I defy anyone to claim that she is not attractive in multiple photos - she may not be your cup of tea or meet your personal preferences, but she is objectively pretty. Maybe not beautiful to everyone, but at least pretty.
I will say that for a 25 year-old, she's got some crow's feet around her eyes and I don't think she'll age very well.
There seems to be a lot of people on this board who confuse personal opinions and biases with fact.
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There is a certain subjective degree to assessing another person's attractiveness, but there are some fairly universal objective standards and by those criterion, Murray's girlfriend Kim Sears is unquestionably attractive.
I guess newbies like me can't post photos, but do a google search for "andy murray girlfriend photo" and I defy anyone to claim that she is not attractive in multiple photos - she may not be your cup of tea or meet your personal preferences, but she is objectively pretty. Maybe not beautiful to everyone, but at least pretty.
I will say that for a 25 year-old, she's got some crow's feet around her eyes and I don't think she'll age very well.
There seems to be a lot of people on this board who confuse personal opinions and biases with fact.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Bravo...I suspect you have probably hit the nail right on the head! ;-)
tennis_hack
Banned
Before Nadal went AWOL in 2012, Murray had 0 Slams.
Now he has 2 Slams.
You really have to wait until Nadal plays Murray to know whether Murray has progressed?
oy vey
Semi-Pro
Ginny Wade, Martina, Becker all called him a Drama Queen.
An American commie in cincinatti asked him if his mother had his Olympic medal.
Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
Why would Fed fans be sour?
Murray isn't in the same universe as Federer.
Most his H2H wins so far are trolololol 2/3 set wins in Masters and 500s which boring Andy used to win while the rest of the squad mopped up the slams.
Real talk.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
All the same, it must be awfully embarrassing and irksome for Fed fans that their hero has lost ELEVEN of his twenty matches against someone who is not even in the same universe as him! Only 2 other players can boast double-digit victories against him, Nadal and Djokovic, and presumably they both share the same universe?
If Fed fans are not troubled by these statistics, why do so many of them waste so much time and energy on these boards trying to disparage and belittle Murray as much as possible....a bit like you do? ;-)
Lawn Tennis
Semi-Pro
boring tennis. but only the minority hate him. the rest of us would rather go play tennis than watch his tennis.
You're comparing a one word profanity to the better of two minutes of incessant whining? Brilliant. That was uncalled for, even if it made some sense, and his didn't: regardless of how much light there was(and even he admitted, about a 1/2 hour was left), what happens if they play some longer points and it gets to 5-5 or 6-6(oh, at least they'd play a tiebreaker THERE, as opposed to at other points in the match!)? His idea was incredibly stupid, not to mention, self serving(though it ended up not mattering).
Tenez101
Hall of Fame
It's pretty close.
Murray has haters within the UK mainly because he's Scottish, and on a more global scale because some find his style to be "boring" or reminiscent of the "pushers" who routinely own them at their local clubs.
Djokovic has haters internationally because he's Serbian, his histrionics sometimes get under people's skin, and he has also single-handedly made a huge dent in Nadal's career ("the streak" probably prevented Nadal from catching Federer's record).
Btw, your signature. What? :lol:
tennis_hack
Banned
Yeh, one of those rec-level pushers who hits crazy passing shot winners, slaps down 140mph serves, hits 124mph forehands, 100+mph backhands?
Tenez101
Hall of Fame
Exactly. :lol: It's absurd, yet Murray routinely gets called a "pusher" almost everywhere I look, especially on these forums.
nethawkwenatchee
Professional
Andy has proved himself to everyone on the biggest stages with more pressure than any of the other top players. Personal and professional changes, punishing workouts, painful defeats, ETC. have all helped shape Andy into what he is today- a winner. Andy Was beating the biggest names in the sport when he was a teen ager, he beat Rafa at the U.S Open in 2008, and would have to be a heavy favorite on that surface today.
syc23
Professional
+1
You wonder if these haters can even play tennis let alone do the things Murray can do.
Russeljones
G.O.A.T.
Lol Mainad still holding up the H2H mantra.All the same, it must be awfully embarrassing and irksome for Fed fans that their hero has lost ELEVEN of his twenty matches against someone who is not even in the same universe as him! Only 2 other players can boast double-digit victories against him, Nadal and Djokovic, and presumably they both share the same universe?
If Fed fans are not troubled by these statistics, why do so many of them waste so much time and energy on these boards trying to disparage and belittle Murray as much as possible....a bit like you do? ;-)
What is their age differene again? Must be quite embarrassing losing every major final to a player past his prime. Boring argument. Hilarious that you are trying to join Murray to Nadal and Djokovic, perhaps you need to look up their achievements in the sport. I realize you're on a high, and it's well deserved but it's pointless to argue that Murray is comparable to Federer. What is even more ironic is that back when he was Hopeless-zero-Slam-Murray you were pleading your sincerity in saying there is no need for him to be compared to Federer, while all you ever do is spout this rubbish H2H like it means something.
I think people like you are a good reason some dislike Murray. Just like some dislike Nadal because of his fans.
batz
G.O.A.T.
I see Mainad has touched a nerve, hence your ad hom. The Murray head to head bothers you - otherwise you wouldn't be protesting so much about how irrelevant it is and tilting at windmills about comparing Murray to Federer. You were clearly quite angry when you wrote that post - QED.
Russeljones
G.O.A.T.
Everything is true because you said so.
batz
G.O.A.T.
Still angry then?
Polaris
Hall of Fame
Dramaqueen alert: I see the beginnings of a THUNDERVOLLEY approach to forum analysis.All the same, it must be awfully embarrassing and irksome for Fed fans that their hero has lost ELEVEN of his twenty matches against someone who is not even in the same universe as him! Only 2 other players can boast double-digit victories against him, Nadal and Djokovic, and presumably they both share the same universe?
If Fed fans are not troubled by these statistics, why do so many of them waste so much time and energy on these boards trying to disparage and belittle Murray as much as possible....a bit like you do? ;-)
Russeljones
G.O.A.T.
I am not an angry man, I do despise stupidity however. Mainad's posts are never moderated and I tend to avoid them but this was very rich. You should ask him if he was angry. Did you text him? Is he rushing from the field to his PC to argue on the internet? Are you angry? You seem absorbed. Forgot to address any part of the post and concentrated on trying to discredit me. Are you angry batz? I am hurt, so hurt in fact I will retire to re-read Shogun for the upteenth time and listen to the babyphone. And angry of course, I am so angry.
swedenparty
Rookie
"boring tennis. but only the minority hate him. the rest of us would rather go play tennis than watch his tennis"
well said
well said
thejoe
Hall of Fame
If you'd said that to me late on in 2009 I'd have been inclined to agree, but his game is great to watch nowadays. He can still defend as well as ever, but his attacking tennis has improved no end. You seriously thought watching Murray during Wimbledon was boring?
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Russell, what is it exactly you are angry with me about?
kalyan4fedever
Legend
I hate him because he is a pusher and is so lucky while winning slams, everything should work out right for him and for many other multiple reasons and most importantly not because he has a leading h2h against goat. Fed has no comparisons and to be compared with murray is an insult!
thejoe
Hall of Fame
Why is it? He's no pusher and, other than Federer, has the best hands in the top 10.
roberttennis54
Semi-Pro
Murray's haters from the general public were usually ignorant jingoist retaliating at him from perceived anti-English comments.
With the tennis establishment is is probably, because Britain is still arguably the most powerful media when it comes to tennis. Murray for no fault of his own like many British sportsmen are/were overhyped. Fans of other players get angry that their favourite is constantly being asked questions about Murray or disrespected. I remember Djokovic fans in particular were annoyed that Murray got so much more attention and hype than Djokovic, despite the latter being more successful at a youner age.
The final reason and this is why I have never taken to him as much as Henman; is Murray' game. Some people like me find it too defensive.
With the tennis establishment is is probably, because Britain is still arguably the most powerful media when it comes to tennis. Murray for no fault of his own like many British sportsmen are/were overhyped. Fans of other players get angry that their favourite is constantly being asked questions about Murray or disrespected. I remember Djokovic fans in particular were annoyed that Murray got so much more attention and hype than Djokovic, despite the latter being more successful at a youner age.
The final reason and this is why I have never taken to him as much as Henman; is Murray' game. Some people like me find it too defensive.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Oh grow up! You are a typical example of the outraged Fedfans on here that tend to litter threads like this venting your collective hatred of Murray and for no reason I can discern other than that he has a positive H2H against your hero. If it weren't so, why do you and other Fedfans keep posting your ridiculous attempts to disparage him with your constant, "He's just a pusher! He's just so damned lucky...whine, whine, whine!" You're not fooling anyone because few people actually believe such nonsense and I believe that includes you!
And if Murray is so 'lucky' winning Slams, how come he has only managed to win 2 of them? If he's that lucky, he should have at least as many as Fed has now, shouldn't he? Something seems to have gone seriously astray with this much touted 'luck' of his!
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roberttennis54
Semi-Pro
I like Murray because he is British as that makes me and because he seems a decent guy.Oh grow up! You are a typical example of the outraged Fedfans on here that tend to litter threads like this venting your collective hatred of Murray and for no reason I can discern other than that he has a positive H2H against your hero. If it weren't so, why do you and other Fedfans keep posting your ridiculous attemots to disparage him with your constant, "He's just a pusher! He's just so damned lucky...whine, whine, whine!" You're not fooling anyone because few people actually believe such nonsense and I believe that includes you!
And if Murray is so 'lucky' winning Slams, how come he has only managed to win 2 of them? If he's that lucky, he should have at least as many as Fed has now, shouldn't he? Something seems to have gone astray with this much touted 'luck' of his!
However, if someone likes Federer for the way he plays like I do, then Murray's game may not appeal to them. It's foolish to say Murray is luck, he is a great tennis player and a multiple slam champion. I don't even he was lucky in winning the slams he did either, though tiredness hurt Djoke at the US open.
zagor
Bionic Poster
He's not a Fed fan, he's just parodying them (though there actually are Fed fans with such views when it comes to Murray so he isn't far off), it's an account from another poster here (Tushie would be my guess).Oh grow up! You are a typical example of the outraged Fedfans on here that tend to litter threads like this venting your collective hatred of Murray and for no reason I can discern other than that he has a positive H2H against your hero. If it weren't so, why do you and other Fedfans keep posting your ridiculous attempts to disparage him with your constant, "He's just a pusher! He's just so damned lucky...whine, whine, whine!" You're not fooling anyone because few people actually believe such nonsense and I believe that includes you!
And if Murray is so 'lucky' winning Slams, how come he has only managed to win 2 of them? If he's that lucky, he should have at least as many as Fed has now, shouldn't he? Something seems to have gone seriously astray with this much touted 'luck' of his!
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
While i've read the anti-Murray posts from many a Federer fan, there are others who hate Murray just because he's...Murray. No real reason why.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Good post. But just because you are a fan of such-and-such a player and like their style, why does that mean you have to hate anybody else and try to demean them as much as possible? I don't believe people who do that can possibly be true tennis fans at all!
I have been a Murray fan for many years now. As people on here will agree, I will defend him when I think he's being unfairly attacked and, boy, does he get unfairly attacked! But that doesn't mean I'm trying to hype him over Federer, Djokovic or any other player who have clearly had superior accomplishments. Nor does it mean I have any compulsion to try to hate or disparage anybody else. In fact I have been a Federer fan for considerably more years than I've been a Murray fan and I regard myself as a far truer Federer fan than some of the so-called Fedfans I've encountered on here who think that the only way to support their hero is to sneer and put down anybody else who might be compared to him!
They need a good education in what it is like to genuinely support someone. Just because you think someone is great, it doesn't mean that others can't be as well!
roberttennis54
Semi-Pro
I agree with this post as well. I never seen why people feel the need to put down other players. It happens to much on this board and it is a shame.
sportsfan1
Hall of Fame
Murray seems to be a good tennis player, very balanced and level headed, and doesn't get into controversies or puts on an act . I don't see the reason for the hate. I hope he has managed to turn the rivalry versus the Djoker around in his favor.
Yep, all of this. Though I've always enjoyed watching Murray because of his imagination, his defensiveness was a frustration, especially when the imagination gave way to a more functional game style. Now he's great to watch because he's more aggressive.
Also, I think people like to slam those who try very hard and fail. Especially the more immature teenage posters on this forum like the idea that you're either good at something or not, or in this case brilliant at something, but either good enough to win a slam or not. In fact, everything in life is about hard work. I find Murray the most inspiring of the top players, because he has had to transform himself while in the public eye in order to become a great champion.
nethawkwenatchee
Professional
These same posters are quick to point out an utter satisfaction when Murray has come up short in Grand Slam finals. He's a pusher and weak when he's lost, he's lucky because the opponent is "tired" when he wins
This is laughable. I suppose that all those Finals and Semi Finals over the past four seasons were concurrent with him always catching breaks because his apponents were so "tired". The hatred directed toward Andy is sad. It's just good to see some people admitting that he deserves the success that he's now realizing.
nethawkwenatchee
Professional
I think you may miss-read Mainad or else you just don't like to hear a point of view that differs from your's. Andy's Head to head is often downplayed on these boards because of his losses in the Slam Finals. When Murray has managed to win slam finals (or Olympic Golds
) it's because he caught a tired, over the hill, off ETC. opponent. The head to head that Mainad mentions is of importance because it gives a timeline of wins over Roger dating back to the "early" days when Roger was winning consistant slams and Andy was just a no name teen. This shouldn't make anyone angry, it should simply show that Andy doesn'y only win when he gets "lucky" and this fact doesn't take away from Roger's amazing career at all. Roger is still GOAT!
Tennis Fanatic 070
Banned
I hate Murray for all the reasons that have already been brought up by other posters, I really can't stand him. Only thing I can add to all the things already posted in this thread is that he has a very ugly face expression when he's about to return a serve.
Also I don't like his defensive style of play. This bothers me when he's playing against the players who keep making unforced errors, so he knows he doesn't need many winners. Those matches are boring as hell. I don't think he deserves to be called a 'pusher' though, but he is a very defensive player.
That being said, I love to see him play against the other 3, who can keep up with him. Also Ferrer and del Potro are able to test him sometimes, Ferrer almost has beaten himin the Miami finals this year, loved that match. I have seen him some high quality matches involving Murray over the years, I will always root against him, but I love to see some great tennis.
Also I don't like his defensive style of play. This bothers me when he's playing against the players who keep making unforced errors, so he knows he doesn't need many winners. Those matches are boring as hell. I don't think he deserves to be called a 'pusher' though, but he is a very defensive player.
That being said, I love to see him play against the other 3, who can keep up with him. Also Ferrer and del Potro are able to test him sometimes, Ferrer almost has beaten himin the Miami finals this year, loved that match. I have seen him some high quality matches involving Murray over the years, I will always root against him, but I love to see some great tennis.
fed_da_man
Rookie
if you like federer then you should also like murray. they're basically exactly the same player
Not gonna lie, the hate has always baffled me. OK, so you don't like his style of play. Why does that generate huge amounts of vitriol? It's not a character flaw. OK, so it bugs you that he curses himself out on court when he screws up. Does that hurt anyone but himself? Come on. It's harmless in the scheme of things. OK, so you don't like it that his mom is a prominent figure in his public life. Does Tio Toni's similar prominence in Nadal's life cause you to hate Nadal? Then examine your sexism. OK, so you don't like it that he has a somewhat less-than-attractive face? Question yourself about why you're watching tennis. It can't all be about hot boys.
The level of hate he gets, I would reserve for someone who actually does bad things. Murray's just so harmless.
The level of hate he gets, I would reserve for someone who actually does bad things. Murray's just so harmless.
Jeffrey573639
Semi-Pro
What...
10what.....
SempreSami
Hall of Fame
Easy cowboy, put your pistol away.
What about Nadal mid-match? He looks like a Neanderthal about to obtain revenge by bashing in the skull of the Cro Magnon who killed his mate. I can't recall seeing any other athlete have such a look of savagery on his face - it's not just intensity or focus.
Don't think Andy Murray has as many haters as Nadal or Djoker, he just doesn't have as many lovers.
People love to see tennis as a game dominated by dictating winners, which is not Murray's strength, on the contrary, his game even prevent opponents from dictating winners. Most Murray's match resulted in less winners and more UEs, who love them?
People love to see tennis as a game dominated by dictating winners, which is not Murray's strength, on the contrary, his game even prevent opponents from dictating winners. Most Murray's match resulted in less winners and more UEs, who love them?
A lot of murray "haters" dont actually hate Murray, he's just been very, veryyy easy to make fun of for the last several years. He was always the bridesmaid, always throwing his little tantrums on court, played a very scrappy style of tennis, always scrambling and defending. And rather than feel sorry for him, he always had such a bland demeanor during interviews that it was hard to feel empathy.
Of course this all changed after 2012 when he started to change his style of play and ofc when he cried at wimby, but its going to take a while for people's old attitudes towards Murray to wear off.
Of course this all changed after 2012 when he started to change his style of play and ofc when he cried at wimby, but its going to take a while for people's old attitudes towards Murray to wear off.