Why doesn't a string company?

comeback

Hall of Fame
Why doesn't a string company offer a set 45-50" natural gut string. With many players only using it as a hybrid and many rackets only use approx 15" of NG (after stretching). A set of strings would get 3 crosses for example..It seems a shame that for a 40" set of NG you end up throwing away 1/3 of it.
 

Lukhas

Legend
Cost. Manufacturing gut strings is tough enough as it is. Moreover, half-sets (20ft) do exist for those who use hybrids.
 
..It seems a shame that for a 40" set of NG you end up throwing away 1/3 of it.
Most of our ball contacts are within the centre 10 main strings.

For a 16x19 stick with gut mains hybrid, you can use natural gut only for the centre 8 or 10 mains. Then fill the rest of the outer mains with either syn gut or poly.

It is important NOT to cut the natural gut. String the short side as normal for 5 mains, then tension and tie-off. For the long side, string 5 mains and tension, then cut AFTER tie-off. About 12 ft would be used this way. So that 40 ft pack is now good for 3 hybrid mains! :wink::D

If it's too much of a hassle with the long side kinky gut, then string only the centre 8 mains. That way, you can divide the gut into 3 equal short portions of about 13 ft each.

Been doing this for ages to help my buddies save some $...

Something like the pic below, except I filled the centre 12 mains with gut.

 

arche3

Banned
Most of our ball contacts are within the centre 10 main strings.

For a 16x19 stick with gut mains hybrid, you can use natural gut only for the centre 8 or 10 mains. Then fill the rest of the outer mains with either syn gut or poly.

It is important NOT to cut the natural gut. String the short side as normal for 5 mains, then tension and tie-off. For the long side, string 5 mains and tension, then cut AFTER tie-off. About 12 ft would be used this way. So that 40 ft pack is now good for 3 hybrid mains! :wink::D

If it's too much of a hassle with the long side kinky gut, then string only the centre 8 mains. That way, you can divide the gut into 3 equal short portions of about 13 ft each.

Been doing this for ages to help my buddies save some $...

Something like the pic below, except I filled the centre 12 mains with gut.

So on a 16x19 how do you start the mains if on a APD type when it starts in the throat. Starting clamp I assume on the short side at 12 top of racket? And where are the tie off locations for 10 mains gut and the rest ?
A picture showing the full frame face would help thanks!
Interesting idea.
 
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Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
A reel of gut would then cost around $750.00. I don't know many people who would be willing to shell that out, including me. Also, natural gut on a reel would not hold up too well to all the handling. By the time you got down to the second half of the reel, it would be dried out and brittle.
 

arche3

Banned
A reel of gut would then cost around $750.00. I don't know many people who would be willing to shell that out, including me. Also, natural gut on a reel would not hold up too well to all the handling. By the time you got down to the second half of the reel, it would be dried out and brittle.
Well.... also cow entrails are only long enough to make single sets I assume. Unless we had a giant cow. gulliver travels size cows.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
+1 Rabbit
VS gut comes sealed in bags to make them last. Also in the days of wooden rackets guts lengths were much shorter and you had to use two pieces to string OS frames. It took a while to retool and start offering the longer sets of gut. Some people want a full bed if gut and would not want 50' sets if they could be made.

If you want shorter lengths of string to save money maybe you would be better off buying reels of multi strings in the long run.
 

eelhc

Hall of Fame
Most of our ball contacts are within the centre 10 main strings.

For a 16x19 stick with gut mains hybrid, you can use natural gut only for the centre 8 or 10 mains. Then fill the rest of the outer mains with either syn gut or poly.

It is important NOT to cut the natural gut. String the short side as normal for 5 mains, then tension and tie-off. For the long side, string 5 mains and tension, then cut AFTER tie-off. About 12 ft would be used this way. So that 40 ft pack is now good for 3 hybrid mains! :wink::D

If it's too much of a hassle with the long side kinky gut, then string only the centre 8 mains. That way, you can divide the gut into 3 equal short portions of about 13 ft each.

Been doing this for ages to help my buddies save some $...
This is flipping Brilliant!
 

Sumo

Semi-Pro
Well.... also cow entrails are only long enough to make single sets I assume. Unless we had a giant cow. gulliver travels size cows.
Looks like it already takes 3 cows to make one set of strings, so length shouldn't be an issue. 50' could be done, but it would probably be easier and more profitable for everyone if you they set up a custom length order system.

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/LC/Naturalgut.html

The Link said:
Fortunately for tennis players, the serosa from a cow's intestine fits the bill nicely. A cow's serosa has a greater tensile strength than sheep gut and it is also longer. However, the serosa is only a small part of the intestine and it takes about three cows to produce one set of tennis string.
 

arche3

Banned
Looks like it already takes 3 cows to make one set of strings, so length shouldn't be an issue. 50' could be done, but it would probably be easier and more profitable for everyone if you they set up a custom length order system.

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/LC/Naturalgut.html
Im sure 50 ft is doable. A reel of 600 ft is what I was replying to that it was way too long. You can't string a bunch of gut together to make it longer. They twist diff pieces together to make it thicker.
 

spinovic

Hall of Fame
Interesting thought. A company could offer both, that way people using full beds of gut could still get the standard pack and hybrid users could get the larger one to eliminate some waste.
 

Lukhas

Legend
Interesting thought. A company could offer both, that way people using full beds of gut could still get the standard pack and hybrid users could get the larger one to eliminate some waste.
That's exactly why half sets of gut exists. For hybrid users.
 

spinovic

Hall of Fame
That's exactly why half sets of gut exists. For hybrid users.
Haha. I am well aware of this fact, but for whatever reason it did not occur to me. Thanks for the reminder. Please overlook me as I seem to have a short circuit in my brain lately.
 
So on a 16x19 how do you start the mains if on a APD type when it starts in the throat. Starting clamp I assume on the short side at 12 top of racket? And where are the tie off locations for 10 mains gut and the rest ?
A picture showing the full frame face would help thanks!
Interesting idea.
There's no difference how to start the mains from normal stringing.

Most of the rackets I string have tie-offs on either 4Top or 5Top. So it's very easy for me to do 10 mains, starting from throat.

For the APD, you may need to use an awl to open up 4Top, or use a grommet grinder to change that single grommet to a larger-holed Fittex grommet.

Or, string 12 mains in the order of 1-2-3-6-4-5 the tie off at 6bottom. The experts here are Irvin, diredesire, and many others way more knowledgeable than me... :)
 

Lukhas

Legend
Haha. I am well aware of this fact, but for whatever reason it did not occur to me. Thanks for the reminder. Please overlook me as I seem to have a short circuit in my brain lately.
I hear you. Or instead, just cut the full set in half. That should avoid unnecessary waste.
 

arche3

Banned
There's no difference how to start the mains from normal stringing.

Most of the rackets I string have tie-offs on either 4Top or 5Top. So it's very easy for me to do 10 mains, starting from throat.

For the APD, you may need to use an awl to open up 4Top, or use a grommet grinder to change that single grommet to a larger-holed Fittex grommet.

Or, string 12 mains in the order of 1-2-3-6-4-5 the tie off at 6bottom. The experts here are Irvin, diredesire, and many others way more knowledgeable than me... :)
Thanks!!!! If I get brave I might try it. It looks really cool in the racket lol.
 
There's no difference how to start the mains from normal stringing.

Most of the rackets I string have tie-offs on either 4Top or 5Top. So it's very easy for me to do 10 mains, starting from throat.

For the APD, you may need to use an awl to open up 4Top, or use a grommet grinder to change that single grommet to a larger-holed Fittex grommet.

Or, string 12 mains in the order of 1-2-3-6-4-5 the tie off at 6bottom. The experts here are Irvin, diredesire, and many others way more knowledgeable than me... :)
But how do you start and end your crosses then? After you tie off your 12th main (on a apd) do you start then start your crosses with a starting clamp? And the after the last cross at the bottom, you go ATW or something?
 

yangster007

Professional
why not natural gut reels?? i always wonder that.
Natural Gut is made of cow intestine, and intestines only have certain lengths, which means you can only make natural gut strings up to a certain length. :)
So the maximum length of 1 piece of natural gut string you can make is like 45 feet or something. Hence there is no way you can make a "reel" of natural gut.
 
But how do you start and end your crosses then? After you tie off your 12th main (on a apd) do you start then start your crosses with a starting clamp? And the after the last cross at the bottom, you go ATW or something?
Plenty of different ways to get it done, but I always prefer the top and bottom crosses to be the last tensioned string before tie-off. This restricts tension loss to the shortest strings in the racket.

Here's one way to do it:

(Don't have a APD with me, so I'm doing this from memory...)

APD has 19 crosses so you'll finish on the opposite side of where you started.

(1) Leave enough string to reach tensioner, then use starting clamp to start 1st cross from L8 on top.

(2) Fill Right Mains 7 then RM8

(3) Complete crosses from 2nd to 18th cross inclusive

(4) Fill Left Mains 8 then LM7

(5) Complete bottom cross & tie-off at R10 bottom

(6) Tension 1st cross and tie-off

:)
 
Plenty of different ways to get it done, but I always prefer the top and bottom crosses to be the last tensioned string before tie-off. This restricts tension loss to the shortest strings in the racket.

Here's one way to do it:

(Don't have a APD with me, so I'm doing this from memory...)

APD has 19 crosses so you'll finish on the opposite side of where you started.

(1) Leave enough string to reach tensioner, then use starting clamp to start 1st cross from L8 on top.

(2) Fill Right Mains 7 then RM8

(3) Complete crosses from 2nd to 18th cross inclusive

(4) Fill Left Mains 8 then LM7

(5) Complete bottom cross & tie-off at R10 bottom

(6) Tension 1st cross and tie-off

:)
Thanks dude! I will try it this weekend, love your work!
 

JT_2eighty

Hall of Fame
That's exactly why half sets of gut exists. For hybrid users.
But the OP is talking about saving money.

Half-sets are typically more than half the cost of a full set split in half, so pre packed half-sets are even more expensive.

luckily I use 18 main racquet which needs 21-feet. I just use 20 feet and at 61 lbs it stretches more than enough over the course of stringing to fit.

I like the unorthodox stringer's method of just stringing 13-feet for the middle mains, that is a great way to get 3 "half sets" out of one pack!

I think that's the OP's main point... if they could make 45-foot sets, then some people could get 3 half-sets out of one pack, thus saving some green. Obviously everyone has pointed out why this will never happen, so unorthodox's solution is an awesome "think outside the box" idea.
 
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comeback

Hall of Fame
But the OP is talking about saving money.

Half-sets are typically more than half the cost of a full set split in half, so pre packed half-sets are even more expensive.

luckily I use 18 main racquet which needs 21-feet. I just use 20 feet and at 61 lbs it stretches more than enough over the course of stringing to fit.

I like the unorthodox stringer's method of just stringing 13-feet for the middle mains, that is a great way to get 3 "half sets" out of one pack!

I think that's the OP's main point... if they could make 45-foot sets, then some people could get 3 half-sets out of one pack, thus saving some green. Obviously everyone has pointed out why this will never happen, so unorthodox's solution is an awesome "think outside the box" idea.
Thanks JT, someone understands my point completely..Now i've heard that Monogut Pro stretches apprx 2 inches per pull..What a waste of string if you buy a set.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Thanks JT, someone understands my point completely..Now i've heard that Monogut Pro stretches apprx 2 inches per pull..What a waste of string if you buy a set.
I use a set of Monogut ZX to string 3 cross jobs in hybrids. Since my racquet has only 15 crosses, I still get plenty of string left for tie-offs.

Not a waste of string in my case.
 
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