Why Dominic Thiem is greater than Novak Djokovic at the French Open

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For two main reasons.

The big one, Thiem leads the H2H 2-1, all three of those matches being in the late stages of the tournament. Novak was able to grab a win against pre-prime Thiem in 2016 but everyone knows Thiem didn’t really hit his stride till the next year. And there he handed Djokovic a bagel. In 2019, when both were in their primes, Thiem was able to win in five sets, ending the peak-to-peak debate once and for all.

The next big point, Djokovic vultured 2016 RG in Nadal’s injury absence while Thiem had to face peak Nadal in three straight French Open matches. All three times he generally did better against Nadal than Djokovic did when he ended up facing peak Nadal himself in 2020 (and even that was in favorable fall conditions for Djokovic). Sure, Novak faced Nadal a few times from 2006-2015, but that was before Nadal hit his 2017-2020 peak (only 3 sets dropped in total and at peak 30’s age) so those results really don’t tell us an awful lot. The clay field was probably the stiffest it’s ever been, but now it seems to have declined a little with Nadal falling off a bit (due to injuries, as outlined here by esteemed viewer of the sport for >50 years) and Thiem in a temporary slump partially induced by injuries, allowing Novak to steal another one.

In the end, it’s frankly not all that close. Novak might be better in smaller clay court tournaments but Thiem has proven his worth against him in the big one. And it’s not a flattering situation at all for the peak player against the fresh poking youngster.
 
Agreed!

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Third Serve said:
For two main reasons.

The big one, Thiem leads the H2H 2-1, all three of those matches being in the late stages of the tournament. Novak was able to grab a win against pre-prime Thiem in 2016 but everyone knows Thiem didn’t really hit his stride till the next year. And there he handed Djokovic a bagel. In 2019, when both were in their primes, Thiem was able to win in five sets, ending the peak-to-peak debate once and for all.

The next big point, Djokovic vultured 2016 RG in Nadal’s injury absence while Thiem had to face peak Nadal in three straight French Open matches. All three times he generally did better against Nadal than Djokovic did when he ended up facing peak Nadal himself in 2020 (and even that was in favorable fall conditions for Djokovic). Sure, Novak faced Nadal a few times from 2006-2015, but that was before Nadal hit his 2017-2020 peak (only 3 sets dropped in total and at peak 30’s age) so those results really don’t tell us an awful lot. The clay field was probably the stiffest it’s ever been, but now it seems to have declined a little with Nadal falling off a bit (due to injuries, as outlined here by esteemed viewer of the sport for >50 years) and Thiem in a temporary slump partially induced by injuries, allowing Novak to steal another one.

In the end, it’s frankly not all that close. Novak might be better in smaller clay court tournaments but Thiem has proven his worth against him in the big one. And it’s not a flattering situation at all for the peak player against the fresh poking youngster.
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Third Serve said:
For two main reasons.

The big one, Thiem leads the H2H 2-1, all three of those matches being in the late stages of the tournament. Novak was able to grab a win against pre-prime Thiem in 2016 but everyone knows Thiem didn’t really hit his stride till the next year. And there he handed Djokovic a bagel. In 2019, when both were in their primes, Thiem was able to win in five sets, ending the peak-to-peak debate once and for all.

The next big point, Djokovic vultured 2016 RG in Nadal’s injury absence while Thiem had to face peak Nadal in three straight French Open matches. All three times he generally did better against Nadal than Djokovic did when he ended up facing peak Nadal himself in 2020 (and even that was in favorable fall conditions for Djokovic). Sure, Novak faced Nadal a few times from 2006-2015, but that was before Nadal hit his 2017-2020 peak (only 3 sets dropped in total and at peak 30’s age) so those results really don’t tell us an awful lot. The clay field was probably the stiffest it’s ever been, but now it seems to have declined a little with Nadal falling off a bit (due to injuries, as outlined here by esteemed viewer of the sport for >50 years) and Thiem in a temporary slump partially induced by injuries, allowing Novak to steal another one.

In the end, it’s frankly not all that close. Novak might be better in smaller clay court tournaments but Thiem has proven his worth against him in the big one. And it’s not a flattering situation at all for the peak player against the fresh poking youngster.
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And as usual with the delusional fans numbers speak for themselves.

RG titles

Novak 2 - Thiem 0.

Thanks and good night.
 
AO13 said:
Thiem has zero RG trophies. Djokovic has two.

Thiem has zero wins against Nadal at RG. Djokovic has two.

End of debate.
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PEAK Thiem had to go through TWO ATGs in a row to even sniff the Roland Garros trophy, lel that’s the definition of a strong era.

Meanwhile Djokovic was winning RG against someone named “Andrew Murray” (do they even have clay in the UK?) and “Stefanos Tsitsipas”, aka what happens when you mix Philipoussis and Baghdatis (it’s not pretty). The second he played an ACTUAL opponent like Nadal or Stan Wawrinka they quickly put him in his place even during his best seasons.

And don’t even get me started on Djokovic losing to that Federer guy in his “best season ever” 2011. He’s an even bigger vulture than Djokovic is :-D
 
Third Serve said:
For two main reasons.

The big one, Thiem leads the H2H 2-1, all three of those matches being in the late stages of the tournament. Novak was able to grab a win against pre-prime Thiem in 2016 but everyone knows Thiem didn’t really hit his stride till the next year. And there he handed Djokovic a bagel. In 2019, when both were in their primes, Thiem was able to win in five sets, ending the peak-to-peak debate once and for all.

The next big point, Djokovic vultured 2016 RG in Nadal’s injury absence while Thiem had to face peak Nadal in three straight French Open matches. All three times he generally did better against Nadal than Djokovic did when he ended up facing peak Nadal himself in 2020 (and even that was in favorable fall conditions for Djokovic). Sure, Novak faced Nadal a few times from 2006-2015, but that was before Nadal hit his 2017-2020 peak (only 3 sets dropped in total and at peak 30’s age) so those results really don’t tell us an awful lot. The clay field was probably the stiffest it’s ever been, but now it seems to have declined a little with Nadal falling off a bit (due to injuries, as outlined here by esteemed viewer of the sport for >50 years) and Thiem in a temporary slump partially induced by injuries, allowing Novak to steal another one.

In the end, it’s frankly not all that close. Novak might be better in smaller clay court tournaments but Thiem has proven his worth against him in the big one. And it’s not a flattering situation at all for the peak player against the fresh poking youngster.
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Lol at fresh poking youngster...what a low bar
 
Third Serve said:
For two main reasons.

The big one, Thiem leads the H2H 2-1, all three of those matches being in the late stages of the tournament. Novak was able to grab a win against pre-prime Thiem in 2016 but everyone knows Thiem didn’t really hit his stride till the next year. And there he handed Djokovic a bagel. In 2019, when both were in their primes, Thiem was able to win in five sets, ending the peak-to-peak debate once and for all.

The next big point, Djokovic vultured 2016 RG in Nadal’s injury absence while Thiem had to face peak Nadal in three straight French Open matches. All three times he generally did better against Nadal than Djokovic did when he ended up facing peak Nadal himself in 2020 (and even that was in favorable fall conditions for Djokovic). Sure, Novak faced Nadal a few times from 2006-2015, but that was before Nadal hit his 2017-2020 peak (only 3 sets dropped in total and at peak 30’s age) so those results really don’t tell us an awful lot. The clay field was probably the stiffest it’s ever been, but now it seems to have declined a little with Nadal falling off a bit (due to injuries, as outlined here by esteemed viewer of the sport for >50 years) and Thiem in a temporary slump partially induced by injuries, allowing Novak to steal another one.

In the end, it’s frankly not all that close. Novak might be better in smaller clay court tournaments but Thiem has proven his worth against him in the big one. And it’s not a flattering situation at all for the peak player against the fresh poking youngster.
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Like a lot of guys, Thiem would have a couple RHs if not for Rafa. Rafa has really wrecked this era on clay.
 
Third Serve said:
For two main reasons.

The big one, Thiem leads the H2H 2-1, all three of those matches being in the late stages of the tournament. Novak was able to grab a win against pre-prime Thiem in 2016 but everyone knows Thiem didn’t really hit his stride till the next year. And there he handed Djokovic a bagel. In 2019, when both were in their primes, Thiem was able to win in five sets, ending the peak-to-peak debate once and for all.

The next big point, Djokovic vultured 2016 RG in Nadal’s injury absence while Thiem had to face peak Nadal in three straight French Open matches. All three times he generally did better against Nadal than Djokovic did when he ended up facing peak Nadal himself in 2020 (and even that was in favorable fall conditions for Djokovic). Sure, Novak faced Nadal a few times from 2006-2015, but that was before Nadal hit his 2017-2020 peak (only 3 sets dropped in total and at peak 30’s age) so those results really don’t tell us an awful lot. The clay field was probably the stiffest it’s ever been, but now it seems to have declined a little with Nadal falling off a bit (due to injuries, as outlined here by esteemed viewer of the sport for >50 years) and Thiem in a temporary slump partially induced by injuries, allowing Novak to steal another one.

In the end, it’s frankly not all that close. Novak might be better in smaller clay court tournaments but Thiem has proven his worth against him in the big one. And it’s not a flattering situation at all for the peak player against the fresh poking youngster.
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Third Serve said:
For two main reasons.

The big one, Thiem leads the H2H 2-1, all three of those matches being in the late stages of the tournament. Novak was able to grab a win against pre-prime Thiem in 2016 but everyone knows Thiem didn’t really hit his stride till the next year. And there he handed Djokovic a bagel. In 2019, when both were in their primes, Thiem was able to win in five sets, ending the peak-to-peak debate once and for all.

The next big point, Djokovic vultured 2016 RG in Nadal’s injury absence while Thiem had to face peak Nadal in three straight French Open matches. All three times he generally did better against Nadal than Djokovic did when he ended up facing peak Nadal himself in 2020 (and even that was in favorable fall conditions for Djokovic). Sure, Novak faced Nadal a few times from 2006-2015, but that was before Nadal hit his 2017-2020 peak (only 3 sets dropped in total and at peak 30’s age) so those results really don’t tell us an awful lot. The clay field was probably the stiffest it’s ever been, but now it seems to have declined a little with Nadal falling off a bit (due to injuries, as outlined here by esteemed viewer of the sport for >50 years) and Thiem in a temporary slump partially induced by injuries, allowing Novak to steal another one.

In the end, it’s frankly not all that close. Novak might be better in smaller clay court tournaments but Thiem has proven his worth against him in the big one. And it’s not a flattering situation at all for the peak player against the fresh poking youngster.
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Another parody... :sneaky:
All Fed fans can do this days... Lol...

Better go to YouTube... Watch Federer destroying RodDick... ;)
 
Third Serve said:
For two main reasons.

The big one, Thiem leads the H2H 2-1, all three of those matches being in the late stages of the tournament. Novak was able to grab a win against pre-prime Thiem in 2016 but everyone knows Thiem didn’t really hit his stride till the next year. And there he handed Djokovic a bagel. In 2019, when both were in their primes, Thiem was able to win in five sets, ending the peak-to-peak debate once and for all.

The next big point, Djokovic vultured 2016 RG in Nadal’s injury absence while Thiem had to face peak Nadal in three straight French Open matches. All three times he generally did better against Nadal than Djokovic did when he ended up facing peak Nadal himself in 2020 (and even that was in favorable fall conditions for Djokovic). Sure, Novak faced Nadal a few times from 2006-2015, but that was before Nadal hit his 2017-2020 peak (only 3 sets dropped in total and at peak 30’s age) so those results really don’t tell us an awful lot. The clay field was probably the stiffest it’s ever been, but now it seems to have declined a little with Nadal falling off a bit (due to injuries, as outlined here by esteemed viewer of the sport for >50 years) and Thiem in a temporary slump partially induced by injuries, allowing Novak to steal another one.

In the end, it’s frankly not all that close. Novak might be better in smaller clay court tournaments but Thiem has proven his worth against him in the big one. And it’s not a flattering situation at all for the peak player against the fresh poking youngster.
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Genius. Truth. Glory.
 
My first impression was that this was a knee jerk reaction thread by a fed fanboi who was upset that someone else created a thread ‘Djokovic was better than Federer at Wimbledon’.

Just be objective and think. That would be the advice I would give to OP. Filter the noise, ignore the trolls and your life will be much better here.
 
Third Serve said:
For two main reasons.

The big one, Thiem leads the H2H 2-1, all three of those matches being in the late stages of the tournament. Novak was able to grab a win against pre-prime Thiem in 2016 but everyone knows Thiem didn’t really hit his stride till the next year. And there he handed Djokovic a bagel. In 2019, when both were in their primes, Thiem was able to win in five sets, ending the peak-to-peak debate once and for all.

The next big point, Djokovic vultured 2016 RG in Nadal’s injury absence while Thiem had to face peak Nadal in three straight French Open matches. All three times he generally did better against Nadal than Djokovic did when he ended up facing peak Nadal himself in 2020 (and even that was in favorable fall conditions for Djokovic). Sure, Novak faced Nadal a few times from 2006-2015, but that was before Nadal hit his 2017-2020 peak (only 3 sets dropped in total and at peak 30’s age) so those results really don’t tell us an awful lot. The clay field was probably the stiffest it’s ever been, but now it seems to have declined a little with Nadal falling off a bit (due to injuries, as outlined here by esteemed viewer of the sport for >50 years) and Thiem in a temporary slump partially induced by injuries, allowing Novak to steal another one.

In the end, it’s frankly not all that close. Novak might be better in smaller clay court tournaments but Thiem has proven his worth against him in the big one. And it’s not a flattering situation at all for the peak player against the fresh poking youngster.
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2-0 LOL
 
Third Serve said:
For two main reasons.

The big one, Thiem leads the H2H 2-1, all three of those matches being in the late stages of the tournament. Novak was able to grab a win against pre-prime Thiem in 2016 but everyone knows Thiem didn’t really hit his stride till the next year. And there he handed Djokovic a bagel. In 2019, when both were in their primes, Thiem was able to win in five sets, ending the peak-to-peak debate once and for all.

The next big point, Djokovic vultured 2016 RG in Nadal’s injury absence while Thiem had to face peak Nadal in three straight French Open matches. All three times he generally did better against Nadal than Djokovic did when he ended up facing peak Nadal himself in 2020 (and even that was in favorable fall conditions for Djokovic). Sure, Novak faced Nadal a few times from 2006-2015, but that was before Nadal hit his 2017-2020 peak (only 3 sets dropped in total and at peak 30’s age) so those results really don’t tell us an awful lot. The clay field was probably the stiffest it’s ever been, but now it seems to have declined a little with Nadal falling off a bit (due to injuries, as outlined here by esteemed viewer of the sport for >50 years) and Thiem in a temporary slump partially induced by injuries, allowing Novak to steal another one.

In the end, it’s frankly not all that close. Novak might be better in smaller clay court tournaments but Thiem has proven his worth against him in the big one. And it’s not a flattering situation at all for the peak player against the fresh poking youngster.
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He's also better at the AO
 
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