Why don't people like Djokovic?

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I've realized lately how people have been routing against him and saying that they don't like him. How could people think this way?

First of all, he's got great sportsmanship at all times. Every time he loses, no matter what he gives his opponent a pat on the back with a smile. Even after points he loses, he sometimes flashes a smile to show he's into it.

Secondly, he is a great player. He's very concentrated on the court and is very entertaining to watch. Many people will just bash him for racquet abuse, but in my opinion there is nothing wrong with racquet abuse. It just shows how emotional you are about the game and your frustration. Besides, if you had all that money as a pro there would be nothing to lose.

Third, he's a family person. He's not one of those players who bring their girlfriend into it, just his mom, dad and brother. That is a really great thing, to have your family support you.

So, if you're a Djokovic hater, please tell me why? He's one of my favorite players, and I want to know why people don't like him for some reason.
 
1. He is overhyped. Such hype as him being the 2nd best clay courter ahead of Federer, the #1 in waiting, the player to beat on hard courts, is excessive and undeserved praise and hype, and is a turn off towards him.

2. He comes across as arrogant, socially ignorant and unaware of the World (his NY comments after the Roddick match, LOL), disrespectful to other players including some greater than he will ever be, and I dont agree at all he is particularly likeable in anyway.

3. He comes across as a quitter and a softie with his record # of retirements, sometimes bogus injury timeouts, and his admission that he gets discouraged and goes into self imposed slumps because of any close losses.

4. His game isnt all that special or interesting. A one dimensional bashing baseline game with a big serve, nothing else really, and there are others who have played even that game better than him.
 
Haha Nole is a character for sure. I respect his enormous talent. He def gave me a scare in that 2007 US final 1st set with all those set points.
 
NadalandFedererfan said:
1. He is overhyped. Such hype as him being the 2nd best clay courter ahead of Federer, the #1 in waiting, the player to beat on hard courts, is excessive and undeserved praise and hype, and is a turn off towards him.

2. He comes across as arrogant, socially ignorant and unaware of the World (his NY comments after the Roddick match, LOL), disrespectful to other players including some greater than he will ever be, and I dont agree at all he is particularly likeable in anyway.

3. He comes across as a quitter and a softie with his record # of retirements, sometimes bogus injury timeouts, and his admission that he gets discouraged and goes into self imposed slumps because of any close losses.

4. His game isnt all that special or interesting. A one dimensional bashing baseline game with a big serve, nothing else really, and there are others who have played even that game better than him.
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Wrong about #4. He has a pretty complete game with some sweet groundstrokes. You can't really find fault with them, he's that proficient. Especially his backhand is a very solid shot which almost won him that Madrid semi.
 
2. He comes across as arrogant, socially ignorant and unaware of the World (his NY comments after the Roddick match, LOL), disrespectful to other players including some greater than he will ever be, and I dont agree at all he is particularly likeable in anyway.
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I actually heard him speak pretty intellectually about the situation involving Serbia and Kosovo. So you can't take one bad comment about NYC and say he's socially ignorant.

I think it's just the backlash from a combo of things-hype to take down Fed and Nadal both, everyone's favorites. Retirements at questionable times-AO this yr, FO in 06, Monte Carlo last yr, Davis Cup last yr-he doesn't show what some believe is the "heart of a champion"
 
FedFan_2009 said:
Wrong about #4. He has a pretty complete game with some sweet groundstrokes. You can't really find fault with them, he's that proficient. Especially his backhand is a very solid shot which almost won him that Madrid semi.
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He has no real variety. Just flat drives, nothing else, no topspin, no slice, no drop shots except occasionaly on clay. Doesnt really construct points much. Cant volley worth a darn, sucks completely at the net in fact. Doesnt understand the transition game from backcourt to net. Sorry I dont find anything that inventive, imaginative, specatcular, or interesting about his game. Just some pretty well hit groundstroke drives and a pretty big serve. That is all. Not a special talent or player like he is hyped to be.
 
jamesblakefan#1 said:
I actually heard him speak pretty intellectually about the situation involving Serbia and Kosovo. So you can't take one bad comment about NYC and say he's socially ignorant.
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I am not interested enough in him to follow all his interviews or whatnot. He might have some awareness on some issues but overall he comes across as ignorant to much of what is around him, and what is a respectful way to relate to other people and talk about others. He comes across as almost a punk at times, who thinks he can say and act however he wants. Then again with his crazy parents what else are you going to get, they raised him after all.
 
jamesblakefan#1 said:
I actually heard him speak pretty intellectually about the situation involving Serbia and Kosovo. So you can't take one bad comment about NYC and say he's socially ignorant.

I think it's just the backlash from a combo of things-hype to take down Fed and Nadal both, everyone's favorites. Retirements at questionable times-AO this yr, FO in 06, Monte Carlo last yr, Davis Cup last yr-he doesn't show what some believe is the "heart of a champion"
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This^^^^ and his overprotective parents that are an annoyance sometimes (no matter what people say they are still his parents and what they do/talk will reflect on him somehow).
 
I think Djokovic can sound very cocky and arrogant, and I see how it's annoying how he couldn't live up to people's expectations. But then maybe he got too pressured to try to be the best right away that he lost focus and the drive? It could be the family and the media that pressured him. So I don't think it's right to bash too much on him. I'm not a fan though but he shouldn't be hated.

And to the comment of him having a one-dimensional game, I think I disagree. I don't watch him often, but I do think that he uses topspin often and has a great serve.
 
krprunitennis2 said:
I think Djokovic can sound very cocky and arrogant, and I see how it's annoying how he couldn't live up to people's expectations. But then maybe he got too pressured to try to be the best right away that he lost focus and the drive? It could be the family and the media that pressured him. So I don't think it's right to bash too much on him. I'm not a fan though but he shouldn't be hated.

And to the comment of him having a one-dimensional game, I think I disagree. I don't watch him often, but I do think that he uses topspin often and has a great serve.
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I can pinpoint the exact moment when he got derailed. He was on a constant upward surge through 2008 Rome title. Then he lost that epic Hamburg semi to Nadal, then FO semi to Nadal, then Queens Club final to Nadal. I believe those 3 defeats completely derailed him. Only a weak draw allowed him to win the TMC.
 
FedFan_2009 said:
I can pinpoint the exact moment when he got derailed. He was on a constant upward surge through 2008 Rome title. Then he lost that epic Hamburg semi to Nadal, then FO semi to Nadal, then Queens Club final to Nadal. I believe those 3 defeats completely derailed him. Only a weak draw allowed him to win the TMC.
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So losing matches to Nadal on clay twice derailed him? In that case he is a complete mental wimp just as I said, derailed by losing matches he completely should be losing. Even Federer has lost to Nadal on clay for years and it hasnt derailed him.
 
NadalandFedererfan said:
He has no real variety. Just flat drives, nothing else, no topspin, no slice, no drop shots except occasionaly on clay. Doesnt really construct points much. Cant volley worth a darn, sucks completely at the net in fact. Doesnt understand the transition game from backcourt to net. Sorry I dont find anything that inventive, imaginative, specatcular, or interesting about his game. Just some pretty well hit groundstroke drives and a pretty big serve. That is all. Not a special talent or player like he is hyped to be.
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Totally agree with the analysis of transition/net play. Exactly the same can be said of Cilic, btw

Having said that, the same observation applied to Roddick until not so long ago. And then you look ay yesterday!:)
 
NadalandFedererfan said:
1. He is overhyped. Such hype as him being the 2nd best clay courter ahead of Federer, the #1 in waiting, the player to beat on hard courts, is excessive and undeserved praise and hype, and is a turn off towards him.
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Yes maybe he was overhyped a bit but a lot of people after his steady results in 2007 and a great start in 2008 saw him as the next big thing and given his results then it was pretty reasonable to think so.

NadalandFedererfan said:
2. He comes across as arrogant, socially ignorant and unaware of the World (his NY comments after the Roddick match, LOL), disrespectful to other players including some greater than he will ever be, and I dont agree at all he is particularly likeable in anyway.
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Djokovic did overreact and shouldn't have gone after the crowd put Roddick pulled the first punch there but yes Djokovic should have settled that with Roddick not the crowd.

However I've heard a lot of his interviews given that he's from my country and a lot of the times,especially in the last year or so he did come out as pretty thoughtful and socially aware young man,and spoke pretty high of his rivals,especially Nadal and Murray.

NadalandFedererfan said:
3. He comes across as a quitter and a softie with his record # of retirements, sometimes bogus injury timeouts, and his admission that he gets discouraged and goes into self imposed slumps because of any close losses.
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OK,have to agree that some of his retirements and injury timeouts were hard to stomach for me as well.I can only hope he'll improve in that department in the future.

NadalandFedererfan said:
4. His game isnt all that special or interesting. A one dimensional bashing baseline game with a big serve, nothing else really, and there are others who have played even that game better than him.
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Interesting game is subjective.He's one of the best ballstrikers with a great DTL BH,big first serve,very nice kicker for a second serve,good dropshot and a heavy FH.His netgame is lacking but he's trying to improve that area.

NadalandFedererfan said:
So losing matches to Nadal on clay twice derailed him? In that case he is a complete mental wimp just as I said, derailed by losing matches he completely should be losing. Even Federer has lost to Nadal on clay for years and it hasnt derailed him.
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It's not really a fair comparison for Novak to compare him with one of the most persistent players I've ever seen,few can bounce back from hard losses as well as Fed can.

A lot of tennis is mental so I doubt if Novak is a "complete mental wimp" he would win a slam and end up 2 years in a row as #3 in Fed and Nadal's era.

Can he improve his mental game? Definitely,he's lacking in that department recently but calling him a "complete mental wimp" is unfair IMO.
 
You guys make fair points. I didn't so much like Novak in the past, but every interview I see with him today, I think he's become a calm, thoughtful, relaxed and pretty well-educated or smart guy. I like his game a lot as well. I feel most sorry about his retirements. he knows he's got that name and fame, had the chance to change it at the AO, but just reinforced it.
 
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Chase said:
i don't dislike him as much as i used to. a little humility goes a long way.
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You may be right....all of you above!
NadalandFedererfan jamesblakefan#1 MarcRosset1992 SoCal10s
But..
One thing is sure...Novak is an imense talent and he will dominate the game in years to come....you who fail to see that talent are imao...whell..you don't know much about tennis..? .........for me...that is not even an issue.
Djokovic is gradualy improving each year! This year is a mental challenge...probablly the hardest test..his game did improve,results lacked..big wins!...........next year it will be something else....but it will get easyer because Nole is one smart 22yo trust me!......untill he reaches that point when everything clicks :D ........10-15 GS at least!
How can't you see that his game is...whell...like Rogers game...it just looks rigth...this is how you play it! plain and simple! :cool: it's not defensive like andys...or extreme-hybrid-knee breaking like rafas :) ......he is a perfectionist...every shot has to be calculated and executed perfectly..that's why he's so fun to watch...lf you like clean tennis that is!.......that's why grass courts trouble him.......there is so little time to think shots trough.......grass demands experience and he's 22! give him a break! Don't you think he can work on that aspects of the game and get better?
Besides....he's so much complex...both as a person and as a tennis pleyer!
Too bad so few of you on this forum realise that....most regard him as fake and of bad taste.....it's a shame you don't see a young champ growing up...not like any other for sure!..... much more interesting and complex than rog...rafa...andy...........and you guys hate him :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEeJoHk-3gY

Genuine!
 
Djumex said:
You may be right....all of you above!
NadalandFedererfan jamesblakefan#1 MarcRosset1992 SoCal10s
But..
One thing is sure...Novak is an imense talent and he will dominate the game in years to come....you who fail to see that talent are imao...whell..you don't know much about tennis..? .........for me...that is not even an issue.
Djokovic is gradualy improving each year! This year is a mental challenge...probablly the hardest test..his game did improve,results lacked..big wins!...........next year it will be something else....but it will get easyer because Nole is one smart 22yo trust me!......untill he reaches that point when everything clicks :D ........10-15 GS at least!
How can't you see that his game is...whell...like Rogers game...it just looks rigth...this is how you play it! plain and simple! :cool: it's not defensive like andys...or extreme-hybrid-knee breaking like rafas :) ......he is a perfectionist...every shot has to be calculated and executed perfectly..that's why he's so fun to watch...lf you like clean tennis that is!.......that's why grass courts trouble him.......there is so little time to think shots trough.......grass demands experience and he's 22! give him a break! Don't you think he can work on that aspects of the game and get better?
Besides....he's so much complex...both as a person and as a tennis pleyer!
Too bad so few of you on this forum realise that....most regard him as fake and of bad taste.....it's a shame you don't see a young champ growing up...not like any other for sure!..... much more interesting and complex than rog...rafa...andy...........and you guys hate him :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEeJoHk-3gY

Genuine!
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I'm not so sure about that,would like to see it happen though,to be honest most of all I'd like to see him win Wimbledon like Jelena Gencic predicted he would.I wish I shared your optimism but Murray and Delpo seem to be improving while Novak is stagnating at the moment,of course everything can change quickly in tennis,one big win and your confidence is back.

And yes I like Novak's game as well when he's agressive,very clean ballstriker,that DTL BH is a beauty.
 
I hate Djoker. He's probably my least favorite figure in all of professional sports.

He's very boring to watch. I guess that's just an opinion, but to me watching Djokovic play is like watching a wta match (not to bash the wta, I just don't think it's nearly as exciting as most of men's tennis)

I hate his injury time outs. As far as I'm concerned, to take an injury time out, you better either have trouble walking, or be puking, otherwise, suck it up.

I think He's a little overrated. I think he'll get a couple more grand slams, and will probably be a hall-of-famer, but I don't see his legacy being comparable to that of Federer, Nadal, Sampras, Borg, Agassi, or any other [potential] great.

He also makes ridiculous comments, like the US open thing. What if this happened in any other sport? Imagine if a Duke player talked trash after beating UNC when the game was at UNC. That's pretty much what Djoker did. That was just retarted.

That being said, He is a very talented player, his results speak for him, and as much as I hate him, he does add to the sport, and increases the level of the playing field.
 
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Most likely because of his parents (true arrogance). The apple doesn't fall from the tree, no matter how he portrays himself in the media.
 
I don't like him. Wasting time, taking timeouts, retiring matches, and disrespecting opponents are the main reasons. gj011 is another reason.
 
I like him, but what bother me of him is that he quits too much and he takes to much time to start playing a point
 
I like Djoker my second favorite player...

i hated his arrogance..but he mellowed out now..i mean name one time recently he's been arrogant? unfortunately his arrogance disappearing means he feels flat..i can only think of a handful of matches this year that were great from him (madrid of course is one of them)
 
Cross Court said:
I've realized lately how people have been routing against him and saying that they don't like him. How could people think this way?
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Lately? :-? It was way worse last year/beginning of this year. I think the hate has actually lessened since the start of the clay season. But yeah, Djokovic is my favourite player so I don't really understand the hate either.
 
The guy is 22, financially achieved more than all of us (smart a$$es) on the board together. His family attitude definitely did not help him. He made a mistake coming out with the TRUE and honest comments in the USA. One thing I learned over the last 18 years living in the USA is -- be fake, go with the flow, honest comments will rarely going to get you anywhere...

He speaks at least 4 languages, fluently...

Liking or hating his game is subjective. For me, he has probably the best looking shots and is one of the most complete players on all surfaces...

And then back to the beginning -- he's only 22. At his age most of us were college partying and getting drunk every night (more of the American thing...)
 
I respect Djoker because he is a good player and I like his recent modestly but I will not be a fan unless he stays modest for a while longer. The person who made this thread must not have been watching tennis at anytime previous to a month or two ago because except for the past couple months Djoker has had some of the worst on and off court attitudes I have seen from anyone. I really hope he can keep up his recent modesty and maturity.
 
Sorry, this is not subject, but I am little bit sentimental. As a Nole fan, hope that you all will understand me. Apologize to all.
You can like him or not, but can’t denied the facts:
2007
During Wimbledon, Djokovic won a five-hour quarterfinal against Marcos Baghdatis 7–6 (4), 7–6 (9), 6–7 (3), 4–6, 7–5. In his semifinal match against Nadal, he was forced to retire with back and foot problems.
Masters Series Rogers Cup in Montreal. He defeated World No. 3 Andy Roddick in the quarterfinals, World No. 2 Nadal in the semifinals, and World No. 1 Federer in the final. This was the first time a player had defeated the top three ranked players in one tournament since Boris Becker in 1994. Djokovic was also only the second player, after Tomáš Berdych, to have defeated both Federer and Nadal since they became the top two players players in the world.
2008
At the Australian Open, Djokovic reached the final without losing a set. Along the way, he defeated the top-seeded and defending champion Roger Federer in the semifinals 7–5, 6–3, 7–6(5). This ended Federer's streak of 10 consecutive Grand Slam finals. Djokovic also became the first person to beat Federer in straight sets in a Grand Slam tournament since Gustavo Kuerten at the 2004 French Open. Djokovic then defeated unseeded Frenchman Jo-Wilfried Tsonga in the final to earn Serbia's and his first ever Grand Slam singles title in four, tight sets.
Beijing Olympics, Seeded third in singles, Djokovic lost in the semifinals to Nadal, the eventual champion, 6–4, 1–6, 6–4. This match was also noted for Djokovic's reaction after the match, because on match point, Djokovic missed a relatively easy smash. Djokovic then defeated James Blake, the loser of the other semifinal, in the bronze medal match 6–3, 7–6(4).
In his first round robin match, he defeated Argentine Juan Martin Del Potro in straight sets. He then beat Nikolay Davydenko in three sets before losing his final round robin match against Tsonga 1–6, 7–5, 6–1. Djokovic qualified for the semifinals, where he defeated Gilles Simon 4–6, 6–3, 7–5. In the final, Djokovic defeated Davydenko again to win his first ever Tennis Masters Cup title.
2009
At the Sony Ericsson Open in Key Biscayne, Florida, another ATP World Tour Masters 1000 event, Djokovic beat Federer in the semifinals 3–6, 6–2, 6–3, before losing to Andy Murray in the final. Djokovic reached the final of the next ATP World Tour Masters 1000 event, the Monte-Carlo Rolex Masters on clay, losing to Rafael Nadal in the final. Djokovic reached the final of the next ATP World Tour Masters 1000 event, the Monte-Carlo Rolex Masters on clay, losing to Rafael Nadal in the final. At the Inter****onali BNL d'Italia in Rome, another ATP World Tour Masters 1000 event, Djokovic was the defending champion, but again lost in the final after defeating Federer. This loss caused Djokovic's ranking to drop to World No. 4 on May 11, ending a streak of 81 consecutive weeks at the number 3 ranking.
Youngest player in the open era to have reached the semifinals of all four Grand Slam events.
Grand Slam
Olympic bronze
Tennis Masters Cup title.
 
I used to dislike him a few years ago, but he has grown on me quite a bit. He up there among my favorite players and I really like his game. He has definitely matured and I just think they he was misunderstood. I also think people perhaps blame him for what his parents said or how they act. He also seems like a really nice person. I mean, how many players applaud their opponent's great shots? The only things I dislike is the retirements and the excessive ball bouncing, but all players have faults.
 
This is all you need to know about Novak Djokovic

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Seriously, read this, it's funny as hell.

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Novak_Djokovic
 
FedFan_2009 said:
Wrong about #4. He has a pretty complete game with some sweet groundstrokes. You can't really find fault with them, he's that proficient. Especially his backhand is a very solid shot which almost won him that Madrid semi.
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Nalbandian, Safin, Ferrero, hell even Roddick are better at the power baseline game than he is when they are all on. He is VASTLY overrated in this aspect.
 
Cross Court said:
I've realized lately how people have been routing against him and saying that they don't like him. How could people think this way?

First of all, he's got great sportsmanship at all times. Every time he loses, no matter what he gives his opponent a pat on the back with a smile. Even after points he loses, he sometimes flashes a smile to show he's into it.

Secondly, he is a great player. He's very concentrated on the court and is very entertaining to watch. Many people will just bash him for racquet abuse, but in my opinion there is nothing wrong with racquet abuse. It just shows how emotional you are about the game and your frustration. Besides, if you had all that money as a pro there would be nothing to lose.

Third, he's a family person. He's not one of those players who bring their girlfriend into it, just his mom, dad and brother. That is a really great thing, to have your family support you.

So, if you're a Djokovic hater, please tell me why? He's one of my favorite players, and I want to know why people don't like him for some reason.
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I think it is because he has given up "retired' in enough matches to raise eyebrows. You lose respect that way. Some people may not like Roddick but they respect him because he works his ass off and never gives up.

Novak has yet to earn that.
 
NadalandFedererfan said:
1. He is overhyped. Such hype as him being the 2nd best clay courter ahead of Federer, the #1 in waiting, the player to beat on hard courts, is excessive and undeserved praise and hype, and is a turn off towards him.

2. He comes across as arrogant, socially ignorant and unaware of the World (his NY comments after the Roddick match, LOL), disrespectful to other players including some greater than he will ever be, and I dont agree at all he is particularly likeable in anyway.

3. He comes across as a quitter and a softie with his record # of retirements, sometimes bogus injury timeouts, and his admission that he gets discouraged and goes into self imposed slumps because of any close losses.

4. His game isnt all that special or interesting. A one dimensional bashing baseline game with a big serve, nothing else really, and there are others who have played even that game better than him.
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Pretty much hit the mark on why Djokovic is diskliked and thought to be overrated.
 
Why exactly should anyone like or respect him? Nothing special about him, plenty against him as has been listed above.

Respect has to be earned, not demanded. If you have that question, its pretty much a lost cause.
 
Cross Court said:
I've realized lately how people have been routing against him and saying that they don't like him. How could people think this way?

First of all, he's got great sportsmanship at all times. Every time he loses, no matter what he gives his opponent a pat on the back with a smile. Even after points he loses, he sometimes flashes a smile to show he's into it.

Secondly, he is a great player. He's very concentrated on the court and is very entertaining to watch. Many people will just bash him for racquet abuse, but in my opinion there is nothing wrong with racquet abuse. It just shows how emotional you are about the game and your frustration. Besides, if you had all that money as a pro there would be nothing to lose.

Third, he's a family person. He's not one of those players who bring their girlfriend into it, just his mom, dad and brother. That is a really great thing, to have your family support you.

So, if you're a Djokovic hater, please tell me why? He's one of my favorite players, and I want to know why people don't like him for some reason.
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Why do so many people here root against Djokovic? I think two big reasons are Djoko's family and a fan who goes by the name of gj011. I personally try not to let these things bother me since a player can't choose his family or his fans. Still, it's hard.
 
Come on people.....he is 22yo...and he is 100x more mature than federer was whan he was 22.....remember fed then? ...or most of you started watching tennis last 2 years....wich I can say is probably true....otherwise your coments might be more toughtfull and objective.....
You can say all you want about him....hate him...like him.....but none of us know what is going on around him....he is human remember...has same needs and desires as any other guy...but he happens to be a profesional athlete.....and no one can say that is easy bussiness. ....personaly I like how he handeled it...with charm and humor.....a fresh breeze in otherwise long list of boring characters...with few exceptions.
But there is always that someone who will see this as a threat........as federer did and flame him rigthaway for his imitations...later he just pick up on anything that djokovic did...downplaying him...like he does now with murray as he gets better and better.......rest of you followed that call not once stoping to ask your self....maybe.....just maybe.....this guy is really ok funny too....so waht if he has idiot parents...most of us do :D....so what if he retires in match....does he have to die of your entertainment? He never disrespected his opponents....not once! He always talks about him self and his performance in match.....again, not like federer, whose vanity is inmesurable like his talent!
 
Define overrated.
"Overrated" What that mean? Overrated in what?
To be the best player ever - yes, he is overrated.
To be number 3 or 4 - no he is not (he was, and he is).
To win all Grand Slam for now on - yes he is overrated
To win one Grand Slam only - no he is not.
To win every match against best players - yes, he is overrated
To beat them from time to time - no he is not.
Best talent ever - overrated
Talent -not overrated.
Behavior is a matter of standards. And if american standard are the measure for rest of us,
than it is disaster for world. (my English is poor, I don't mean material standard).
If you insult me, and I react, than I am the bad guy, because you are big, powerful, and always right.
I have to apologize and to shut up.
If I am 19th years old boy, and you are GOAT, and if you beat me, even in straight sets, and than tell
that you didn't believe in such brutal win, than you sad that with purpose, and I will never forget it.
If I do the same, than I am the bad gay, and it is unforgivable.
In Serbia, parents take care children for a life time, and if they wish their son to be the best one to be
number one, than this is the crime. This is insult for mankind. How they dare?
Sorry for reaction, but when somebody said that hate anybody that he never met in his life this was unbelievable for me.
Like or dislike is one thing, bat hate is sick.
I like Nadal, Federer, and Roddick, and enyoy in every game. Without them, tennis wouldn't be the same.
 
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