Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by msalamon, Aug 1, 2011.
Why dont pros use Volkl?
Because Volkl doesn't pay any pros to use their frames. Next question...
Next question? OK? Why doesn't Volkl pay pros to use their frames? Haven't they noticed by now what an excellent business model it is? No nonsense, please, about putting the money into the product, as there's nothing inherently costly about their product, in fact they seem to avoid some engineering costs by licensing their materials ("DNX") from another company, usually cheaper than developping materials yourself.
The word on the street is that more lower level pros will be signing to volkl this year.
Anyway, don't worry about that. It's all marketing. Pros use all kinds of sticks under their paintjobs. It has no bearing on how good or bad the company is.
Nothing more needs to be said than this. Anybody who says otherwise is dumb.
Alright. So pros have been using Wilson, head, prince, etc so that's what they feel comfortable using and is what they continue to use. This causes these brands to become more popular which gives these companies more money to sponsor players. They are able to simply offer more money than volkl. That's where there is a problem for these brands that pros dont use. The only solution would be for a low ranked volkl player to make a breakthrough.
Volkl simple can't offer as much money to the higher ranked pros as bigger brands like babolat Wilson and head.
That was the same word on the street last year.
Yeah you are right. There has been a lot of volkl hype on these boards lately. They make pretty good sticks though it seems..I prefer ProKennex when it comes to arm savers.
Volkl has a different business and marketing model. You don't have to pay pros millions of dollars to endorse your product to be successful. New Balance doesn't pay pros to wear their shoes but they still sell plenty of shoes because they are good quality shoes.
Volkl has probably figured out that the number of tennis racquets they sell isn't affected significantly by having a handful of midlevel pros using them - and they can't afford to pay the big bucks it would take to secure someone in the top 10. Much like ProKennex, they rely on the unique qualities of their frames and word of mouth to sell product. Success is measured by expectations; you'd have to assume that Volkl doesn't need to sell a lot of racquets to be successful on their terms.
I like the word of mouth. PK invented a lot of the tech that Babolat basically has parlayed into top selling sticks (pure drive mold, woofer system) etc.
To be honest I am stunned that Babolat has not bought the kenetic technology to put into the Pure Drives and remove the stupid cortex.
Regardless, not having to pay a huge marketing budget to pros and advertise everywhere helps keep the costs down on the racquets. I like that.
They make most of their money in the ski market, that's their largest concentration
Where is Tennis Maverick?
seems like a trend for tennis racket manufacturers-- they had there start and do most of their business in the ski market
Voelkl Ski and Voelkl Tennis have different owners. They only have the name Voelkl in common these days.
I play with a Völkl and proud of
New Balance is another example of how to trail the market. They are last or next to last in sales volume of athletic footwear, have sales revenue that's about 3 or 4 percent of Nike's revenue, have registered something like 20 patents to about 2000 patents for Nike. Perhaps they could use some endorsements as well. Among their competitors, I wouldn't say they "sell plenty of shoes."
The assertion that Volkl can't afford to pay pros begs the question --- why can't they afford it? They've been around for forty years, sales volume apparently is low, yet nobody can explain why it remains low if they sell such a good product at about the same price as everyone else.
Völkl is goin' to sign three of the world's TOP 50 players within the next 18 months.
They said the same the last year, and they only signed Liezel Huber and Stephanie Voegele.. :S
Kevin Kim is still using Völk, but hes low ranked at 340 or so, also hes a veteran, they must sign Raonic, Tomic, Cilic, Dimitrov... some new star.
Btw, Völkl's official twitter acc, has changed of owner, old owner was Brian Dillman, now his owner is Benny Neumann, anybody knows whos him?
I hear Tomic will do anything his dad tells him so if Volkl offers him enough they will get him.
Tomic has been testing a lot of Head frames, but he doesn't to taste any stick of Head at all, so let's see.
Why did The Spice Girls sell more albums than The Beta Band? Why did Britney Spears sell more albums/concert tix than Wilco? Why does Prince outsell Volkl? These are the questions I ponder.
That's because Nike sells a lot more than just shoes, everything from golf clubs to apparel and accessories for just about every sport. New Balance's revenue is actually closer to 10% of Nike's. I see tons of people wearing New Balance shoes (tennis and running), more than I see people wearing Nike shoes. For a small private company (that still makes some of its shoes in the U.S.A.), they do indeed sell lots of shoes.
I'm pretty sure that worldwide somebody like Sandra Brown sells more books to the "common man" than Hemingway.
I'm also "pretty sure" that ALL her books are not actually worth as much as 2 random pages taken out of "The Old Man and the Sea" or "A Farewell to Arms".
Hopefully this is enough of an argument for you.
eh, alot of pros use the same racquet and set up for their whole careers and like another poster said its just under a paintjob. i guess because its not widely available and pros dont like to change and stick to what theyve grown up using
Good points. Pretty much what I was thinking.
Honestly, if the pros were to find out that Volkl rackets were much better than what they were using, they would switch and paint Volkl rackets to look like what they are using now.
That's not really an accurate statement.
The last thing you want to do as a pro is tinker with too much gear. Even if you do, it is going to be within the company who endorses you and through the rep you have a relationship with.
I doubt you have ever been endorsed or had to rely on your endorsed gear to do your job. What happens is that you get comfortable with what you have when it is your job and if it is working you don't want to switch. Even if there are "better" options, it doesn't mean you will want to try them.
It's not like Volkl makes revolutionary sticks that change the game. They just make high quality racquets that a lot of people like. That is not enough for a Head sponsored player to leave their comfort zone and switch to. The only way to pull that off is to spend a lot of money to get them to change. Companies like Prokennex and Volkl easily make racquets that any pro could use on tour. they just choose not to spend the money to recruit those players. I personally thank them for that since I can buy new sticks from PK for $120 that are as good, if not better than anything Head or Prince make.
The last paragraph is what I meant to say.
I also don't think the quality argument applies to pros. They don't use stock sticks. Volkl racquets are generally higher quality than retail Head/Wilson/etc so we may like them, but pros don't use retail.
Yup lower level juniors would be a good start. But usually the bigger guys are also targeting these young kids, and out of tens of thousands finding that next world #1.
Because after The Three E.P.'s,they didn't release anything worth buying?
Prince is rather talented, actually - and he is a pop/rock legend, so I don't know what Volkl can do about that.
Boy oh boy, so funny I forgot to laugh.
I just realized I use Volkl racquets and wear NB shoes.. not to mention Blackberry owner, I see a pattern now.
Some people buy what they like and don't stand in line with the sheep, i'm glad to say i'm the same as you.
I like NB (1000 series except for 1004; still got 3 1001 left--the best imo) a lot (and Asics too; Resolution), they're the best tennis shoes out there. Conformity is overrated.
there frames are a rubbish
Obvious troll here.
The reality is that very few players "sell racquets", and Volkl has no cash to buy top players. The BB brand was supposed to be a "halo" marketing tool for the group but that does not really work. Here is the UK I have it on good authority they are selling about 10% of what they sold five years ago. They are better than internet only niche brands, but only just.
Strangely at my small club i can think of 6 Volkl users (including myself). They are pretty popular, although a recent hunt for an Organix 10 mid has made me aware that the UK distributors changed recently, so that may have dried up the supply chain for a while. Apparently the new UK distributor is so convinced that there will be no demand for the Organix 10 mid that they only imported a handful in a grip 3 size. I wanted a 4 so I got sent a grip 3 racquet with a grip 4 pallet and instructions on how to change it myself !!
Does JMac still use a Volkl PJ?
No. Not for many many years. Since he returned to Dunlop he has used a custom 300G frame - same mold as the Maxply and the new 200G just made to his specs.
He hasn't used the C10 or the C10 pj as the Quantum since he went to Dunlop.
Who want to play with racket named Volkl?
-What are you playing with?
- Used to play a Head Prestige, but recently i switched to a Dunlop Biometric 200. How about you stick?
- Eh, i play with a Volkl.
- A what?
- Volkl, you know those German rackets.. real quality.
- O yeah , whatever. Good luck with it, see you later.
Sorry folks, Volkls are not gonna excite the masses. Not gonna happen.
Well i have to say kudos to John McEnroe for actually giving it a try, but
after some time carrying Volkl bags with Volkl rackets he must have realized the last bit of glamour he had left had gone right through the toilet.
I don't understand what you're saying here? Personally if we're going based on phonetics, I think volkl sounds better than Wilson or head. Has an interesting spelling too.
Volkl, yes real interesting phonetics. But maybe were i live i'm surrounded by too many Volkswagens. Most boring cars on the planet. But it's that last 'l' that does it for you, isn't it? Some how i suspect that you actually carry a Volkl around on court. Not that there's any harm in that, don't get me wrong
Breakpoint, I knew you had a second account.
Gosh you Volkl people are pretty paranoid are you?
1. You're assuming that I use Volkl racquets.
2. Only on weekdays.
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