Why has Djokovic only won 3 US open titles and how many will he end up with?

How many US open titles will Djokovic retire with?

  • 3 stay where he is

    Votes: 9 13.8%
  • 4 tied with nadal

    Votes: 27 41.5%
  • 5 tied with Sampras Federer Connors

    Votes: 18 27.7%
  • 6 US open GOAT

    Votes: 11 16.9%

  • Total voters
    65

SamprasisGOAT

Professional
Logically thinking hardcourt being Djokovic best surface with 11 hardcourt slams you'd have thought he’d have more than 3 US opens.

what is it he doesn’t like as much asthe Australian open? Why has he lost so many finals? Court speed?Wild crowds? America as a country?

I personally think he will get 5 us opens. Win this year and then get one more.
 

GuyForget

Rookie
8 finals is still pretty baller, same as Lendl+ Sampras and more than Connors, Mac and Agassi
 
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Djokodalerer31

Hall of Fame
The most logical answer is this - US Open is the last and historically "trickiest" grand slam of the four! (Thats why for multiple decades neither Federer, nor Sampras could take over Connor's open era record of 5 titles, even though both were considered greatest players of respective era and both were dominant at the US Open! Sampras in 90's...Federer in 00's!) By the moment US Open takes place in the calendar the "big" players, who usually win a lot throughout the season are already tired and if not completely empty are very close to out of fuel (because of how Summer calendar is tight...3 of the four grand slams all take place within 3 months frame with two masters in between to top all of that!) A lot of players like Djokovic, Nadal or Federer give their all to try and win Wimbledon and Roland Garros and those two drag lots of energy out of them...this gives dark horses a chance to shine at the US Open brighter, than at other grand slams (where masters of the game are at their absolute best/peak!) Another reason why Nadal and Djokovic weren't able to stay consistent and defend the title at the US Open in previous decade even once! This only proves my theory further! I am going to bet all my belongings, that if US Open took place at the start of the year, like the Australian Open - Djokovic would hold at least an open era record by this point with 6 titles! But whatever...it is what it is! I'll take just three of these if it means he will win at least one more RG title and a couple of Wimbledons! And maybe one or two more AO titles as well (honestly just one more would make me more than happy!) Even if Novak ends up his career with slam tally, that will look like this - AO (8 titles), RG (2 titles), W (7 titles), USO (3 titles) to just level with Roger's 20 i'll still be more than happy with this! That is in addition to winning Olympic Gold this year off course...Anything under 20 grand slams seem like a downer personally ot me, but whatever...i learned many times not to take anything for granted, so let's see what happens i nthe next couple of seasons (this included!)...
 
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I would guess 4. I think he will win more future slams at Wimbledon as strange as that is than the U.S Open. And probably the Australian Open.
 
Faster court speeds. Tank empty at the end of the season. I think Nadal has taken a smarter approach in recent summers by playing Canada and skipping Cincinnati whereas Novak and Roger do the opposite. That extra week of rest really seems to help Rafa. It would be nice if they could move Canada before Washington DC so there aren't two M1000s back-to-back in the summer.
 
Logically thinking hardcourt being Djokovic best surface with 11 hardcourt slams you'd have thought he’d have more than 3 US opens.

what is it he doesn’t like as much asthe Australian open? Why has he lost so many finals? Court speed?Wild crowds? America as a country?

I personally think he will get 5 us opens. Win this year and then get one more.
Yes, but he reached the finale 8 times (same as AO), lost in the semis I believe 3 times. In other words, he has nearly always gone very far. Hence these 3 titles are a bit of a spin, making it seem like he struggles at USO. He doesn't. He is the new Lendl of USO.

He is simply cursed at USO, just as Rafa is cursed at AO, and RF is cursed at FO.

USO16 he was cursed with a growing elbow problem, USO12 he had cramps in the 5th set. USO13 he lost literally by a thread, lead 4-1 in the 3rd then allowed Rafa back - because of the same curse.
 

mwym

Rookie
This year OG and effort he'll make there might make tank empty again, regardless ofwho wins WC and OG. But the chance of meeting Nadal in final might do the trick.
 
This year OG and effort he'll make there might make tank empty again, regardless ofwho wins WC and OG. But the chance of meeting Nadal in final might do the trick.
Nadal is like his toy almost, off-clay. It is degrading for Rafa to be reduced to a spectator when he plays Djokovic on non-clay events. And even when he has a chance, like W18, he doesn't use it.

I literally believe Rafa would waste 150 MPs to Novak in a non-FO slam, if they were given to him. He CANNOT beat Novak on non-clay anymore. This won't ever change, especially since Rafa is getting older and slower. Novak is getting older too, but he can always adjust his game. Rafa can't.
 

Tony48

Legend
It might be the court. This may be completely wrong, but it just doesn't look like the bounce works for him all that well. A lot of times, he looks off balance. He's good enough to win 3 (and maybe more), but it just doesn't look like the court suits his game well enough to dominate there.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Because it's the last Slam of the year and he frequently ran out of gas late in the tournament (2012, 2013, 2014, 2016, etc)
 

GeneGenie

New User
Logically thinking hardcourt being Djokovic best surface with 11 hardcourt slams you'd have thought he’d have more than 3 US opens.

what is it he doesn’t like as much asthe Australian open? Why has he lost so many finals? Court speed?Wild crowds? America as a country?

I personally think he will get 5 us opens. Win this year and then get one more.
Hard to fathom. Unlucky he is in same era as Nadal. Also perhaps the Roddick stuff affected him in early years.

Will he win it again? If Nadal is injured then he is going in as favourite although not convinced he ever beats Thiem again best of 5.

Too early to tell. There are 5 big events before the Next Major so not sure why the Us Open would be a discussion point at this stage
 

GeneGenie

New User
Three US Open titles is a world class career all on its own, it's how many titles Lendl has there. I don't know why people think this is a liability with Djokovic, especially when he's won 14 slams elsewhere.
Might be because he is 3-5 in finals?

Many think Nadal only having 4 titles is a liability because he has 11 French Opens. I think the greater a player is the more people expect.
 
2012- Everything was against him in 2012. Storm in the first 2 sets. Injury in the 5th set. Destiny was against him.
2016- Wawrinka is simply a better player than Djokovic (and a better player than everyone) when he plays his best tennis. He was on fire in the 2016 final (just like RG 2015) There is nothing Djokovic could do to win this match.
2010- Best level of tennis Nadal has ever played in a Slam outside of RG. He was simply unbeatable in this USO 2010.
2019- Injury.
2017- Did not participate.
2007 - 2008 - 2009, Federer was simply superior to Djokovic, before 2011. AO08 was the only exception.

Guess he can have some regrets for 2013 and 2014. I don't think Nadal was unbeatable in 2013, unlike 2010. Djokovic missed multiple double-break points in the 3rd set and 0-40 at 4-4. That third set was a little hold-up from Nadal. But at the end of the day, Nadal won in 4 with a 6-2 and a 6-1. It's not like he didn't deserve to win.
2014 against Nishikori was his biggest disappointment. Totally incomprehensible. He would have played Cilic in the final. Think that's the biggest opportunity he missed.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Hard to fathom. Unlucky he is in same era as Nadal. Also perhaps the Roddick stuff affected him in early years.

Will he win it again? If Nadal is injured then he is going in as favourite although not convinced he ever beats Thiem again best of 5.

Too early to tell. There are 5 big events before the Next Major so not sure why the Us Open would be a discussion point at this stage
No offense to Rafa but Djokovic would be more of a favorite over him at the USO regardless of what form he is in. Djokovic just beat Theim after going AWOL for two sets. Some stretch thinking he won't beat him again.
 

Terry Tibbs

Professional
The most logical answer is this - US Open is the last and historically "trickiest" grand slam of the four! (Thats why for multiple decades neither Federer, nor Sampras could take over Connor's open era record of 5 titles, even though both were considered greatest players of respective era and both were dominant at the US Open! Sampras in 90's...Federer in 00's!) By the moment US Open takes place in the calendar the "big" players, who usually win a lot throughout the season are already tired and if not completely empty are very close to out of fuel (because of how Summer calendar is tight...3 of the four grand slams all take place within 3 months frame with two masters in between to top all of that!) A lot of players like Djokovic, Nadal or Federer give their all to try and win Wimbledon and Roland Garros and those two drag lots of energy out of them...this gives dark horses a chance to shine at the US Open brighter, than at other grand slams (where masters of the game are at their absolute best/peak!) Another reason why Nadal and Djokovic weren't able to stay consistent and defend the title at the US Open in previous decade even once! This only proves my theory further! I am going to bet all my belongings, that if US Open took place at the start of the year, like the Australian Open - Djokovic would hold at least an open era record by this point with 6 titles! But whatever...it is what it is! I'll take just three of these if it means he will win at least one more RG title and a couple of Wimbledons! And maybe one or two more AO titles as well (honestly just one more would make me more than happy!) Even if Novak ends up his career with slam tally, that will look like this - AO (8 titles), RG (2 titles), W (7 titles), USO (3 titles) to just level with Roger's 20 i'll still be more than happy with this! That is in addition to winning Olympic Gold this year off course...Anything under 20 grand slams seem like a downer personally ot me, but whatever...i learned many times not to take anything for granted, so let's see what happens i nthe next couple of seasons (this included!)...
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mavsman149

Hall of Fame
Yes, but he reached the finale 8 times (same as AO), lost in the semis I believe 3 times. In other words, he has nearly always gone very far. Hence these 3 titles are a bit of a spin, making it seem like he struggles at USO. He doesn't. He is the new Lendl of USO.

He is simply cursed at USO, just as Rafa is cursed at AO, and RF is cursed at FO.

USO16 he was cursed with a growing elbow problem, USO12 he had cramps in the 5th set. USO13 he lost literally by a thread, lead 4-1 in the 3rd then allowed Rafa back - because of the same curse.
I wouldn’t call RF cursed at the FO just like Novak isn’t cursed there either, they just lost to the superior clay court player
 

DSH

Legend
The reality (they won't admit that) is he is not as good as he is in his "home" Slam, the AO.
He is beatable in NY and that is why his record of finals there is negative (3-5).
:D
 

Hitman

Legend
Might be because he is 3-5 in finals?

Many think Nadal only having 4 titles is a liability because he has 11 French Opens. I think the greater a player is the more people expect.
What is this, your fifth banned account in the last two weeks?
 

DSH

Legend
Nope, you said everything. He is awesome in both.

How many USOs have YOU won recently?


Not counting computer games...
You don't need to be offended that your idol is a little less good than in another GS tournament.
If you resort to attacks from anonymity, it is no longer worth discussing with you.
Chill out, buddy!
:D


PS: I am not a gamer!
 
You don't need to be offended that your idol is a little less good than in another GS tournament.
If you resort to attacks from anonymity, it is no longer worth discussing with you.
Chill out, buddy!
:D


PS: I am not a gamer!
There they go again, using the Projection Card...

I am so so so sorry if I upset you with logic.

But I'm not your mirror. I promise I'm not. I barely even reflect sunlight let alone fanboiz...
 

DSH

Legend
There they go again, using the Projection Card...

I am so so so sorry if I upset you with logic.

But I'm not your mirror. I promise I'm not. I barely even reflect sunlight let alone fanboiz...
No, you were upset where I said that Djokovic is beatable, vulnerable in NY. He won 3 titles and lose 5 finals there. In Australia he also reached another 8 finals and he won 8 titles there!
Did you see the big difference between being almost perfect and being excellent?
I am not trying to discredit his record in the US Open but is obvious his game is less effective in North American HC.
 
No, you were upset where I said that Djokovic is beatable, vulnerable in NY. He won 3 titles and lose 5 finals there. In Australia he also reached another 8 finals and he won 8 titles there!
Did you see the big difference between being almost perfect and being excellent?
I am not trying to discredit his record in the US Open but is obvious his game is less effective in North American HC.
I was merely pointing out the obvious:

Just because 3 is less than 8 doesn't mean it's horrible or embarrassing. Or disappointing. I am pretty sure he is happy with 3. Could he have done better? Possibly. Did he do extremely well? Yes.

3 is awesome. 8 is record-breaking. Capiche?

Doesn't seem to me you quite understand what it takes to win a slam 3 times? Any slam.

I'd react the same way if someone posted nonsense about RF being "bad" at FO. Or Nadal at AO.
 

DSH

Legend
I was merely pointing out the obvious:

Just because 3 is less than 8 doesn't mean it's horrible or embarrassing. Or disappointing. I am pretty sure he is happy with 3. Could he have done better? Possibly. Did he do extremely well? Yes.

3 is awesome. 8 is record-breaking. Capiche?

Doesn't seem to me you quite understand what it takes to win a slam 3 times? Any slam.

I'd react the same way if someone posted nonsense about RF being "bad" at FO. Or Nadal at AO.
And who said that?
Another misunderstanding of yours!
Djokovic is excellent in the US Open, but he is beatable in the finals there, unlike the AO, where his record in that instance is impeccable.
There is nothing wrong with stating that, all tennis fans can see the difference.
 

daggerman

Professional
I just hope he eclipses Rafa's total - because the idea that Rafa is a better USO player than Djokovic is one of the most farcical narratives in tennis.
 

Musterrific

Semi-Pro
I think he'll definitely be looking to fix his surprisingly poor record in finals there. This year and next will be his big opportunities, but beyond 2021 the window will close.
 
And who said that?
Another misunderstanding of yours!
Djokovic is excellent in the US Open, but he is beatable in the finals there, unlike the AO, where his record in that instance is impeccable.
There is nothing wrong with stating that, all tennis fans can see the difference.
Everyone is beatable everywhere.

Name me one exception.

I rest my case...
 

Mivic

Rookie
2012- Everything was against him in 2012. Storm in the first 2 sets. Injury in the 5th set. Destiny was against him.
2016- Wawrinka is simply a better player than Djokovic (and a better player than everyone) when he plays his best tennis. He was on fire in the 2016 final (just like RG 2015) There is nothing Djokovic could do to win this match.
2010- Best level of tennis Nadal has ever played in a Slam outside of RG. He was simply unbeatable in this USO 2010.
2019- Injury.
2017- Did not participate.
2007 - 2008 - 2009, Federer was simply superior to Djokovic, before 2011. AO08 was the only exception.

Guess he can have some regrets for 2013 and 2014. I don't think Nadal was unbeatable in 2013, unlike 2010. Djokovic missed multiple double-break points in the 3rd set and 0-40 at 4-4. That third set was a little hold-up from Nadal. But at the end of the day, Nadal won in 4 with a 6-2 and a 6-1. It's not like he didn't deserve to win.
2014 against Nishikori was his biggest disappointment. Totally incomprehensible. He would have played Cilic in the final. Think that's the biggest opportunity he missed.
Absolutely ludicrous statement. Djokovic was well below his best at USO16, and only found himself in the final due to an absolute cakewalk of a draw.

That version of Wawrinka was probably the most (at least one of the most) beatable version(s) of Wawrinka that Djokovic has faced in a grand slam since their meeting at AO13. Moreover, the pair are 4-4 in slam matches in the previous decade. AO13 and FO15 are the two best versions of Stan that Djokovic has faced for my money and the pair split the meetings 1-1. It’s hardly as if Djokovic can’t beat the guy.

It is true that Stan matches up well with Novak, although I have always felt that Novak could have swung the match-up in his favour with a more proactive approach from the baseline. Regardless of the individual match-up however, Djokovic is far more equipped in dealing with other top contenders than Stan. Matching up well with one particular guy (who you still have a shocking record against) is not indicative at all of whether or not you are unbeatable and how you match up against the field, which ultimately determines your level of ability as a tennis player.

To say that peak Stan is better than anyone is simply laughable given how easily Nadal and Federer (arguably past their primes) have dealt with him at slams, and has become a perpetuated myth since Stan has achieved some level of success against Novak in majors.

Matching up reasonably well with one of the big three doesn’t make you unbeatable, especially if you’re getting a pasting from the other two lol. Stan is great but the extent to which some people overrate the guy is ridiculous.
 
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SonnyT

Hall of Fame
If Djokovic had some of Nadal's joke draws at USO, he'd have more than 3 by now. Anyway, he'll have 4 by end of 2020, whatever the draw! He's not 1 Slam-dependent, like Nadal is!
 
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