Why Has Murray Beaten Nadal The Last Three Time They Played?

[luckyboy1300]

nadal has nothing to exploit on murray, as he's consistent off both wings and will be more than happy to trade shots with nadal all day. but he certainly uses his brain and varies the pace of the ball very much, getting nadal by surprise on many times. plus the fact that murray now has a more consistent 1st serve which is "huge" by the standards. murray's advantage on nadal will only be on hardcourts.

 

[edmondsm]

Says the guy who believed Donald Young would one day reach #1. I don't really disagree with your points, but I take issue when you make such an outrageous claim and then proceed to bash others for their lack of "credability."

Yes, Lamielspins must be kicking himself for starting that thread.

 

[rubberduckies]

Which players have actually won 3 consecutive ATP-level matches against Nadal?

I can only think of Blake so far, any others?

 

[Nadal_Freak]

Look why cant we all agree that Murray is just better than Nadal :twisted:

Why can't we all agree that Nadal is just better then Fed? :twisted:

 

[Gen]

Very simple just watch the matches. Where Federer does nothing with Nadal's 2nd serve to his BH, Murray pounds it. Where Federer is neutralized by heavy topsin balls to his BH inh rallies, Murray thrives on those balls and returns them just as deep, penetrating and dangerous, where Federer can make an occasional saving shot lunging for one of Nadal's huge angles off the court, Murray gets there and often squeezes out solid winners on those. And Murray's first serve is quite huge. In one sentence, Nadal's winning strategy "Dictate the points by heavy FH topsin balls to my opponent's weaker side" does not work if the opponent has no weaker side. Murray and Djokovitch are both in this category.

Nadal, Rafael 5-2 Murray, Andy
Nadal, Rafael 10-4 Djokovic, Novak

Murray and Djokovic are both in what category?

 

[cknobman]

Why can't we all agree that Nadal is just better then Fed? :twisted:

I will agree to that......once Nadals achievements surpass Feds until then Nadal just gets an honorable mention.

 

[tahiti]

Why can't we all agree that Nadal is just better then Fed? :twisted:

We know Rafa is better than Fed. He dethroned him.
Murray has quite a few points needed before he can claim that.
Right now, he's got a virus.

 

[veroniquem]

Which players have actually won 3 consecutive ATP-level matches against Nadal?

I can only think of Blake so far, any others?

No, just Blake. Murray has actually beaten Nadal twice in a row in competition, not 3 times. Djoko and Federer haven't been able to beat Nadal more than twice in a row.

 

[arnz]

I will agree to that......once Nadals achievements surpass Feds until then Nadal just gets an honorable mention.

Then I will agree that Murray is better than Nadal once Murray achieves 6 grand slams on three different surfaces and has a winning record against Nadal instead of being 5-2 down. At least Nadal has a winning record against Fed. Until then Murray gets an honorable mention

 

[Nadal_Freak]

No, just Blake. Murray has actually beaten Nadal twice in a row in competition, not 3 times. Djoko and Federer haven't been able to beat Nadal more than twice in a row.

He beat Nadal in an exhibition. It doesn't count statistically but it looked obvious they were both trying hard. Murray is probably Nadal's toughest matchup in tennis now. Not when he was younger and weaker.

 

[veroniquem]

He beat Nadal in an exhibition. It doesn't count statistically but it looked obvious they were both trying hard. Murray is probably Nadal's toughest matchup in tennis now. Not when he was younger and weaker.

Murray is gonna be very hard to beat I agree. Technically though we don't want to start throwing exhibitions in the mix, that's confusing. Let's stick to competition for statistics. I's always hard (in general) to evaluate players' motivation in exhibitions.

 

[arnz]

Murray has been in form for less than a season now. Why dont we all just wait and see how he does in the clay court and grass season before pronouncing him. Not too long ago Djokovic was the heir apparent, and look what happened to him. I think when all is said and done, people will just find it remarkable how resilient and consistent the top 2 players (Fed/Nadal) are, while others may come and go and have their ups and downs. I would still bet the next 3 slams will be won by one of those two

I actually like Murray's game, but lets wait and see

 

[OddJack]

Why? Because he controls the rallies, has him run and run till he's out of breath or injures a leg.
Murray is going to own Nadal from now on except for dirt. He has improved substantially while Nadal has peaked.

I am already feeling bad for couple of Nadal fans here, their party is going to be so short lived.

 

[tennis_hand]

as said, murray doesn't have obvious weaknesses that anyone can exploit. but federer can't handle a high topspin to his backhand for long rallies. (federer can do it in short rallies). so nadal can't do much damage to murray.

also, murray's backhand is more powerful than fed's when playing against nadal. that makes a lot of difference.

regarding clay event, we haven't seen the current murray on clay yet. so don't predict first.
also, just as u don't expect federer to keep on winning 3 slams, u can't expect nadal to win on dirt all the time. the day when he is defeated will come sooner or later. it could be this year, or it may not.

 

[veroniquem]

as said, murray doesn't have obvious weaknesses that anyone can exploit. but federer can't handle a high topspin to his backhand for long rallies. (federer can do it in short rallies). so nadal can't do much damage to murray.

also, murray's backhand is more powerful than fed's when playing against nadal. that makes a lot of difference.

regarding clay event, we haven't seen the current murray on clay yet. so don't predict first.
also, just as u don't expect federer to keep on winning 3 slams, u can't expect nadal to win on dirt all the time. the day when he is defeated will come sooner or later. it could be this year, or it may not.

By Murray? Bold prediction :lol:

 

[Gen]

1. Murray has a knee problem which he was born with.
2. He is nowhere close to Nadal in terms of fitness and durability.
3. His movement and footwork are not good enough for clay. His sliding is awkward.
4. He is down with the mono.

Predictions failed.

 

[doctor dennis]

Murray is on a roll against Nadal but does not "own" him. Murray does have a better "suited" game for hardcourts than Nadal's but i'm still not that convinced he's the better player on that surface. I'd rather have Nadal's hardcourt titles all day every day over Murray's hardcourt titles. Its going to be interesting to see how this rivalry develops in the future, i'm looking forward to it to be honest.

 

[devila]

Murray needed a free gift from Roddick in Wimbledon, 2007 San Jose, Miami, Shanghai and Doha. Roddick choked while serving for the set in San Jose because he celebrated his Davis Cup bullcrap wins. He couldn't move at all, with 10 break points wasted away on grass, with Brits' annoying roar in his ears. Did he even mind retiring in Miami and dragging crap feet around in Shanghai? The Doha match looked like "who cares? I'm old and lucky" net charging and moonballing exhibition.

 

[tahiti]

Why? Because he controls the rallies, has him run and run till he's out of breath or injures a leg.
Murray is going to own Nadal from now on except for dirt. He has improved substantially while Nadal has peaked.

I am already feeling bad for couple of Nadal fans here, their party is going to be so short lived.

We've been partying since Rafa won his first FO and during his no. 2 reign.
The party is alive and kicking!

 

[roysid]

Other than James Blake who had defeated Nadal 3 times in a row, these are the players

Thomas Berdych (2005 - Cincinati, 2006-Toronto & Madrid)
Gauston Gaudio (2003,2004 and 2005)
Lleyton Hewitt

Of course, none of them can beat Nadal now.
At present, Murray seems his hardest opponent in Hard, Federer on grass and blisters on clay.

 

[veroniquem]

Other than James Blake who had defeated Nadal 3 times in a row, these are the players

Thomas Berdych (2005 - Cincinati, 2006-Toronto & Madrid)
Gauston Gaudio (2003,2004 and 2005)
Lleyton Hewitt

Of course, none of them can beat Nadal now.
At present, Murray seems his hardest opponent in Hard, Federer on grass and blisters on clay.

Ah you're right. Hewitt's dates are :AO 2004, Canada master 2004, AO 2005. Nobody has beaten Rafa 4 times in a row though or am I forgetting about somebody again?

 

[NandoMania]

edit: wrong thread :roll:

 

[Safinator_1]

well...two if not for injury but nonetheless its still a loss Murray beat Nadal because he was the better player in the match and probably the better player out of the two besides on clay

 

[fednad]

Patience, variety, unpredictability of shot selection and solid backhand are the reasons. Murray (on hard courts for sure) is an extremely bad matchup for Nadal.